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Full weight on needles ?!?

Do we have to put the needles on full weight everytime we spin at a club ? First time I went to play at a local club.. a guy told me I had to do so cause there's too much bass in clubs...
do we really have to do this ? I mean... gosh the record's grooves are gonna be finished ! how long can records support such weight.
I don' really care about the needles... my records are my babies.

i'm not too sure about full weight, but i do know that with clubs and raves and the like, you'll want to have the needles at their maximum recommended weight setting or even higher

there's a lot of bass happening on big systems
so obviously you'll have to have a bit of weight to keep the needle from jumping with every beat

sure this will wear your records out quicker than playing at home
but it's not like they'll be unplayable afterwards

yeah, if you are near a lot of bass, you will need more weight. but, if the system is properly set up, everything should be isolated from the tables that it shouldn't matter.

the table should be insulated from the floor, and the decks should be insulated from the table.

ideally, you will have your speakers hanging from the roof on chains, at least the big ones. if not they should be placed where the vibrations cannot travel directly to the decks, but rather have to go through the air, or a lot of floor space.

if your bass is skipping your needles through the air from more than 10 feet away, then it's WAY too fucking loud anyway.

you shouldn't have to go more than 4g of weight ever imo.

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Originally posted by JohnSmith you shouldn't have to go more than 4g of weight ever imo.

you sure about that??? becuase my needles say 3 - 6 grams and iv always used the middle weight so i have em set at 4.5 that okay or should i just go with 4?? or 3.5 i dont know

god i love cds

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Originally posted by Cosmic Realm you sure about that??? becuase my needles say 3 - 6 grams and iv always used the middle weight so i have em set at 4.5 that okay or should i just go with 4?? or 3.5 i dont know

no, i am not sure about that. if it reccomends 3 - 6 grams then by all means stay within that range.

what you should do is, put the needle on, balance it, put to the minimum reccomended weight. if it skips, then add more weight. repeat until it's working good. you want as little weight as you can have without skipping, so your records and needles don't get worn out.

oh, and nell? your a wanker!

The Technics wheel will take a pounding, but IMO think that the wheels should be isolated better. I am currently looking for a fluid type damper pads or such to fit under each leg.... Of course your table would have to allow the wheel to "float" and isolate the table and turntable. I remember seeing them somwhere and they were cheap.

I have played at some scary volumes and never had jump due to Bass. Most are caused by asswipes scrwn around.

I go 2.5 - 3.0 new stylii, 3.5 old stylii, works for me and the way I handle records. BUT!!!! do what works for you and your system and style.

BTW If the dude/dudette before you didn't jump, you ain't either unless your records are overplayed. Unless you feel an absurd amount of weight on the arm, Don't fuckround with the weight. If you do feel too much weight, rebalance the tone arm. Beware who plays at the venue, cause scratchers use mass weight, too much weight makes records sound like shit!!

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...not entirely sure of this, but when DJ Tiesto played locally, it sort of looked like his tables were on floating shock absorbers.

Didn't get close enough to take a detailed look, but they appeared to be more than just flight cases from a distance.

when i play at home, i have it on 2.5ish
developes that soft touch.

Like everyone seems to agree, its based on the rig up supporting the wheels. I have used my m3d & GMII's in different situations and required more weight because of the poorly dampened(or noted by one "shock absorbers")of just plain jane wooden tables.
My home table is 4" Thick (clear laquered) Kiln Dried Hemlock,with the wheels and console sunk making the top totally flush mounted. I got the wood and help for nothing from my bros.That wood altough very pleased with the result, was a nightmage to work with. Being kiln dried made it like concrete when driving pre-assy nails. All holes had to be pre-drilled or it split into scrap pcs.I mostly used 7/8" dowels, glue & clamped force.

The table is solid but still requires dampening. The Cast alumium
body technicsand solid table seem to give a louder thug when taping the turntable. I was not surprised this would happen. although being able to strike the table with a hammer without skipping,iwas not concerned at that BUT the harmonics that may produced through the table from the music. I am not gonna use cheap rubber or neoprene but a viscous fluid type. Springs are out of the question. I remember seeing these somewhere for cheap, will some more to find out.

Any suggestions??? I tried a waterbed, but the second the Viagra kicked in, the wheels where thrown to the floor. Never take that shit again!!

IM basically reviving this thread.. giving some more information and wanting some answers as well if its possible...

A couple of days ago i was spinning at this big club in toronto, I Was using weighted stanton needles. The supports for the turntables were rubber bunjie cords in a box supposedly to help absorb the bounce of the turntables due to the bass

The weight on the tunrtable had to be tunrned arround to get access weight on the needle ( I know this is not good for the vinyl!) so it was passed the maximum regular. Even after this it still started to skip until the sound tech guy moved the platter under the weight up a bit. Hrmm i wonder if he was doing the right thing or not. It was harsh on my vinyls there must be a more logical way to do it. The sound wasnt even that loud!

The problem was every time i touched the pitch controll i would risk making the turntable skip because of all the bouncing going around due to the bunjie type cords


any suggestions on what i should od on my next gig?

Thanks

i allways use maximum weight.. it doesn`t wear out vinyls as much they say.. i haven`t heard/found any problems so..

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Originally posted by JohnSmith oh, and nell? your a wanker!

nice 1 JS

I have my ortofon nightclub needle at 1 g. My stanton trackmaster 2 at 2.5 g.


Stevek

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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit A couple of days ago i was spinning at this big club in toronto, I Was using weighted stanton needles. The supports for the turntables were rubber bunjie cords in a box supposedly to help absorb the bounce of the turntables due to the bass

which club is this?

there was a post here a while ago about putting large elastic bands around a big role of tape, and then putting the feet of the tables on those...never tried it but apparently it works wonders


but i think it is necessary to have the counterweight set to the max when playing live in a club...
between the bass, people dancing/shaking the floor, and the tables getting bumped for whatever reason...its a good idea

people think that this will absolutely kill your vinyls...it won't kill them...think about how many times you actually play them live

and if you're spinning out enough that your vinyls are noticably being worn from the weight being set so high, then i think you'll be able to afford another copy of the vinyl

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Originally posted by Kid Lax which club is this?

This was at turbo.. on the 17th..

I dunno putting the weight on backwards felt like something was wrong.. i dont usually see djs do this unless they are scratching?.. hrmm i felt sorry for my babies

but you say this is ok?

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