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Posted by Durafei on Jan-11-2003 21:53:

www.timetravelfund.com

www.timetravelfund.com

This is probably a scam, but the idea sounds great! You invest $10 now, they put it in the bank and 500 years from now when/if it will be possible to travel in time, you will be transferred from our time to the future. During 500 years your 10$ will become billions(due to interest) and you'll live happily ever after.

What do you guys think?

Posted by StereoPrincess on Jan-11-2003 22:22:

Well, if you think that money will be the currency on 500 hundred years then you should go for it. Its sounds like a total scam, the only person making money will probably be the dude that runs the site.

Posted by trancearmada on Jan-11-2003 22:22:

Re: www.timetravelfund.com

quote:
Originally posted by Durafei
www.timetravelfund.com

This is probably a scam, but the idea sounds great! You invest $10 now, they put it in the bank and 500 years from now when/if it will be possible to travel in time, you will be transferred from our time to the future. During 500 years your 10$ will become billions(due to interest) and you'll live happily ever after.

What do you guys think?

what about inflation?

yeah sure, we all know you are behind this since you've got the Russian mafia behind you as well!

So if they created this website "FROM THE FUTURE" why the hell can't they travel us back into the future now? And how the hell would they even know what you look like and where you live? Please it is so a scam.....

Posted by DigiNut on Jan-12-2003 00:09:

Typically, banks pay under 1.8% interest:

$10 * (1.018 ^ 500) ~ $75,000 (slightly under)

This is billions... how? Someone didn't pass economics. Sure, I wouldn't mind $75k right now, but in 500 years that'll be worthless.

That's not taking into account the more subtle question of time travel: if it were truly possible to travel from OUR future to OUR present, then it would already have happened, and the fact that we haven't seen any time travellers means either (a) time travel will never be possible in a linear sense - i.e. maybe we'll be able to travel to "a" past but not "our" past, or (b) time travellers have some rule preventing them from screwing around with the past, which means you'll never get to see that money anyway.

Bottom line here is, well, the bottom line. Creator of site wants to make money, and has decided to scam gullible people who don't intuitively understand economics.

Besides, think about it, if the person who came up with this idea seriously intended to pay people back in 500 years, he surely would have mentioned something about taking a cut of your future "billions" (thousands), otherwise what would be in it for him? The simplest answer is usually the best: scam.

Posted by Alccode on Jan-12-2003 00:36:

Re: www.timetravelfund.com

Posted by Alccode on Jan-12-2003 00:40:

HAHAHAHA i just saw the website!!!!

for a good laugh, go see it!

it would be hilarious to get one of their t-shirts : "future time traveler", "Official Member of The Time Travel Fund"

LOL imagine wearing that around!

Posted by Durafei on Jan-12-2003 03:20:

Oh it's definitely a scam, no question about that.. But the whole idea I think is brilliant! Just imagine the possibilities... As far as "why time travellers are not here now".. Maybe they are not here now because future didn't happen yet? nobody knows how time travelling is going to work(if it's even possible)..

Posted by Durafei on Jan-12-2003 03:27:

quote:

Typically, banks pay under 1.8% interest:

$10 * (1.018 ^ 500) ~ $75,000 (slightly under)

This is billions... how? Someone didn't pass economics. Sure, I wouldn't mind $75k right now, but in 500 years that'll be worthless.

Banks pay that kind of interest if you only put in small sums of money.. but if that company has say 10,000 customers, that's already 100K, so they put in GICs which produce larger interest.. say 3-4%.. that will affect your savings tremendously !

Don't get me wrong, I don't believe this scam for a minute, I'm just admiring the creator of that website.. The idea is brilliant !

Posted by King_Mack on Jan-12-2003 04:13:

Re: www.timetravelfund.com

quote:
Originally posted by Durafei
www.timetravelfund.com

This is probably a scam, but the idea sounds great! You invest $10 now, they put it in the bank and 500 years from now when/if it will be possible to travel in time, you will be transferred from our time to the future. During 500 years your 10$ will become billions(due to interest) and you'll live happily ever after.

What do you guys think?

i doubt time travelling will take place in your lifetime durafei. and your question about visitors from the future...if we DO discover time travelling? well..i have a theory about that

Posted by Alccode on Jan-12-2003 04:14:

quote:
Originally posted by Durafei
Oh it's definitely a scam, no question about that.. But the whole idea I think is brilliant! Just imagine the possibilities... As far as "why time travellers are not here now".. Maybe they are not here now because future didn't happen yet? nobody knows how time travelling is going to work(if it's even possible)..

even if time travel is possible, it will be so dangerous that there will have to be some sort of international body regulating it anyway. so there goes "time travel fund" right out the window. you think that a petty commercial enterprise like that will be allowed?

well.... there ARE tourists going up to the ISS, so i actually wouldn't be surprised....lol

i'm against time travel, though. why go into the future, or past? why run away from the present?

the here and now is where we live in, and we should learn to live in the moment.. not to dream about the future, or the past. that's just running away from today, from reality - and is ultimately madness.

Posted by dEsidEL on Jan-12-2003 06:49:

now say ur 10 bucks does turn into billions in the future .. just like Trancearmada said, wut about inflation .. a bag of chips will prolly cost like $100,000 by then ! hahaha

if and whether these people are able to travel thru time, they're better off going into the PAST and buying stocks they know will go up or down .. haven't u seen TimeCop ?? haha i think that's a better idea then bringing someone into the future ..

Posted by DigiNut on Jan-12-2003 16:23:

Personally, if I could go back in time, I'd go back about 10 years and buy all the major Internet domains: sony.com, microsoft.com, ibm.com... hell, I'd be a trillionaire today, a lot of those corporations already paid billions to the smart people who got their hands on the domains first.

Posted by Durafei on Jan-12-2003 16:27:

quote:
Originally posted by DigiNut
Personally, if I could go back in time, I'd go back about 10 years and buy all the major Internet domains: sony.com, microsoft.com, ibm.com... hell, I'd be a trillionaire today, a lot of those corporations already paid billions to the smart people who got their hands on the domains first.

Dude get your info straight, nobody paid a billion for a domain name. Millions - yes. Or if I'm wrong and they did, can you link to the proof of such transaction? I'd be interested to know.

Posted by DigiNut on Jan-12-2003 21:41:

quote:
Originally posted by Durafei
Dude get your info straight, nobody paid a billion for a domain name. Millions - yes. Or if I'm wrong and they did, can you link to the proof of such transaction? I'd be interested to know.

*hangs head in shame*

You're probably right, but seeing as how we're dealing with an entirely hypothetical issue anyway, I'd much rather have $50 million now than $3 billion (assuming insanely high and consistent GIC interest rates, which is unlikely) in 500 years.

Posted by Dr. Z on Jan-13-2003 01:28:

Guys...
Time travel is a human invention, something that you see in SciFi movies/books. Time travel is 100% impossible.

One cannot even use the phrase "if time travel was possible..." because it is a paradoxical statement. Everything coming after the statement would be false/unpredictable.

A simple example:
Lets say time travel was possible. Time by definition has no end. It is an indefinite concept. This would result in infinite time travels, infinite people would be traveling infinite number of times to the presents/pasts/futures. The reality would be chaos, every micro-second, someone will be altering time in the past/present/future. There would be no definite reality...

Posted by dEsidEL on Jan-13-2003 02:40:

quote:
Originally posted by Durafei
Dude get your info straight, nobody paid a billion for a domain name. Millions - yes. Or if I'm wrong and they did, can you link to the proof of such transaction? I'd be interested to know.

ahhz .. i'm sure he was juss being sarcastic and exagerrating the figs there ..

and i heard once on Discovery that apparently time moves faster/slower in some parts of space .. ?? wtf.. cool !

Posted by DigiNut on Jan-13-2003 03:20:

quote:
Originally posted by dEsidEL
ahhz .. i'm sure he was juss being sarcastic and exagerrating the figs there ..

Well to be honest, I did pull it out of my ass. I just remember that people paid asinine amounts for domain names, wasn't really thinking about whether it'd be millions or billions or whatever.

quote:
and i heard once on Discovery that apparently time moves faster/slower in some parts of space .. ?? wtf.. cool !

Like around black holes?

BTW, to Dr. Z, I for one don't believe that any sort of time travel will be possible in several centuries at least, but there's a lot we don't understand yet, and just because we can't come up with a plausible theory now doesn't mean there never will be one. Remember, 50 years ago nobody had even considered the possibility of computers or even solid-state electronics, a few hundred years ago people thought the idea of a 'wave' or a 'quanta' was utterly ridiculous, and 500 years ago people thought the world was flat and a bigger ball would fall faster than a smaller ball...

Personally, I think time travel will never be available to the public because of the fundamental nature of human greed. If I managed to invent a time machine, I'd never tell another soul about it, because I'd have so much more to gain by keeping it a secret...

Posted by DJ Chrono on Jan-13-2003 04:03:

you're forgeting about inflation.

If the bank's interest balances out with the inflation (if you're lucky), you may have more money in the bank in 500 years, but it will still only be worth the equivilant to $10 today.

Posted by dEsidEL on Jan-13-2003 04:07:

quote:
Originally posted by DigiNut
Well to be honest, I did pull it out of my ass. I just remember that people paid asinine amounts for domain names, wasn't really thinking about whether it'd be millions or billions or whatever.

actually i was trying to defend u in my statement ..

Posted by Kid Lax on Jan-13-2003 05:21:

quote:
Originally posted by dEsidEL
and i heard once on Discovery that apparently time moves faster/slower in some parts of space .. ?? wtf.. cool !

i may be wrong here...but from what i can remember from all these space shows and stuff

if you fly against the earths rotation or something then time moved slower or something
i can't remember

all i know is that i saw some thing where a guy was up in space somewhere and aged dramatically slower than he would've on earth, due to this concept

pretty fucked up if you ask me

i remember a teacher of mine in highschool wrote a book on the...12 dimensions? maybe it was 8...well whatever it was he went really in depth on the...5th dimension i think it is...which is timetravel

unfortunately the day he spent the entire class talking about it i skipped
go figure

Posted by Dr. Z on Jan-13-2003 05:36:

quote:
Originally posted by DigiNut
BTW, to Dr. Z, I for one don't believe that any sort of time travel will be possible in several centuries at least, but there's a lot we don't understand yet, and just because we can't come up with a plausible theory now doesn't mean there never will be one. Remember, 50 years ago nobody had even considered the possibility of computers or even solid-state electronics, a few hundred years ago people thought the idea of a 'wave' or a 'quanta' was utterly ridiculous, and 500 years ago people thought the world was flat and a bigger ball would fall faster than a smaller ball...

Yes, people thought certain thoughts were absurd at the times they were in. But the idea of time travel is not the same. Look: When people theorised waves/photons, they were describing matter/reality. They were describing the natural phenomena that occurs arround us. So making new theories is possible, no matter how absurd, you just have to have the proof.

But when you talk about something like time travel, you cannot theorise anything. Time is not a natural phenomena, time is a human invention, invented to keep track of changes. Its basically a tool to understand some other natural phenomena, like velocity (speed, meters per second). You cannot theorise/do scientific research on time.

Its like saying:
There are exactly 100 centimeters in one meter (definition). That is the unit of measurement that we will use. Lets make a theory, If we alter space and make each 1meter(m) = 2m, or 100cm = 200cm. Then all objects will be twice as high.

:. Impossible.

Posted by mot10n on Jan-13-2003 05:42:

where's bill nye when you need him? i want a definitive answer!

even though you guys say it's impossible, consider this: old people are always freaked out by the idea of the internet. either that or they dont want to undertand it.

"anything is possible", just maybe not right now.

Posted by Endlesswave on Jan-13-2003 05:45:

quote:
Originally posted by Kid Lax
i may be wrong here...but from what i can remember from all these space shows and stuff

if you fly against the earths rotation or something then time moved slower or something
i can't remember

all i know is that i saw some thing where a guy was up in space somewhere and aged dramatically slower than he would've on earth, due to this concept

pretty fucked up if you ask me

i remember a teacher of mine in highschool wrote a book on the...12 dimensions? maybe it was 8...well whatever it was he went really in depth on the...5th dimension i think it is...which is timetravel

unfortunately the day he spent the entire class talking about it i skipped
go figure

Ummmmmmm that "time moving slower" thing is due to the faster you travel towards the speed of light the slower you age (or the faster the people around you age). It has already been proven on an atomic clock that's been put on an aircraft going insanely fast that when compared to the same clock on the ground set at the same time, the clock on the ground was ahead by many seconds/min or something similar. This is the basic premise of the Astronauts travelled into the future in the "The Planet of the Apes" movies. Explain what would happen if you were to go even FASTER on an object while consistently speeding up till you were to hit the speed of light (sure the phsysics behind that would hurt like a bitch, the G Force would be insane, crushing pressure etc but if all of that was taken into consideration then what??).

Posted by dEsidEL on Jan-13-2003 05:53:

hehe .. i'm starting to like this thread .. it's kinda funny actually. but you all know it's only a matter of time that some TOTA with a physics degree steps into the conversation and schools us all ..

Posted by trancearmada on Jan-13-2003 15:05:

well poo on all of you! I can travel in time any time I want as long as I am on either side of the Bering Strait. Forward one day and backwards oneday. You can even do it by "FLYING ON THE PLANE" I personally myself have done it a million times!

Also you can travel into the future by traveling into the outerspace. When you go into cosmos time on earth flys by faster than it does in the space ship. So you could go off on a mission for a year and when you comeback more time will pass by on earth, at least this is what I read, don't remember where, some sience magazine...

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