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Posted by SgtFoo on Jan-13-2003 04:40:

trance music history question(s)!

I'm really curious...

What was the FIRST trance track ever made?

I'm talking about the first track to be of the genre, the first and only, the original. what's the title and the artist?

Posted by Lira on Jan-13-2003 05:01:

There's no such thing like "the first trance track", because it was a natural evolution from German techno and being part of a process, the line between techno and trance cannot be marked. I'm gonna look for some early trance and I'll post some recommendations so you'll understand how it happened

Posted by BaoBaB_5 on Jan-13-2003 05:41:

There is no such a thing as a first song of a genre. What was the first rap song? Jazz song? Classical composition?

Posted by apostrophe on Jan-13-2003 05:44:

cant help but notice the similarities with bass beats and *gasp* disco. No, I dont think it is.. but, was there some sort of progression from one to the other? Replacement of lyrics/instraments into melody, electronic?

just a thought.....

Posted by Lira on Jan-13-2003 06:16:

quote:
Originally posted by apostrophe
cant help but notice the similarities with bass beats and *gasp* disco. No, I dont think it is.. but, was there some sort of progression from one to the other? Replacement of lyrics/instraments into melody, electronic?

just a thought.....

Yes, there is a (strong) link between trance and disco... in a very very very simple explanation, it's something like:

disco -> house -> techno -> trance (but keep in mind that I'm not focusing on details here).

Listen to Donna Summer - I feel love

it's disco, but it'll remind you of lots of vocal trance tracks

I'll post something more useful tomorrow

Posted by DjObscene on Jan-13-2003 07:31:

yea...music has evolved from one genre which in turns might create a new genre so there really isn't a FIRST trance track

Posted by [mart] on Jan-13-2003 11:04:

quote:
Originally posted by Maaz
Listen to Donna Summer - I feel love

And then listen to Roger Goode - In The Beginning (Ferry Corsten Mix) - it's almost the same bassline

Posted by undertensecond on Jan-13-2003 11:11:

maybe micheal jackson?

Posted by Pandoneus on Jan-13-2003 11:33:

As for Germany I would say "Robert Miles - Children"!

I think it was the first song which was called 'trance'.

Posted by tu_face on Jan-13-2003 15:36:

there was trance before 'children'

dance 2 trance - hello san francisco... that was released on suckmeplasma records (a subsiduary of lightning records) in 1992 [shameless plug] which i recently remixed [/shameless plug]

but yeah, u cant really name the first trance track, as it probably wasnt known as trance when it was made.. people would have classified it with electro, or techno, or house, or (etc etc)

its only really been in the last 10-15 years that the specific genre name has existed

Posted by CynepMeH on Jan-13-2003 17:23:

Ok kiddies, break out your pens and notepads

Allow me, the old fart to share some of my usless trivia diversity...

I would definitely say that trance can probably be traced to the roots back in the days of disco, if not earlier. All depends on your idea of what trance is... I would say that some of the older stuff such as Pink Floyd's "Momentary lapse of reason" or "dark side of the moon" can be considered pseudo-trancey stuff.

I can go back even earlier... Most of the musicians say that they started with "Kraftwerk" - which I agree were the pioneers of "electronica". If you wanna do some digging, try looking here:

1. Kraftwerk
2. Yellow
3. Space (french band - not the american alt-rock band)- legend has it that Jean Michelle Jarre was once a member. They started back in late 70's
4. Jean Michelle Jarre - by far, one I would consider as the father of Electronica as we know it
5. Tangerine Dream - don't believe the hype, they are NOT new age
6. The Orb
7. 808 State
8. Front 242
9. Praga Khan - anyone remembers "Injected with a poison"?
10. Oooh, let's not forget Koto - 70's/80's - Japanese synth player at its best
11. Laserdance - got every single CD
13. LA Style - "James brown is dead"
14. Sunscream

and list goes on... I found a tape from Tresor '92 with some PVD on it!!!!

I also have Mauro Picotto's "R.A.F. - Bakerloo Symphony" - circa '95 - sounds like a start of today's trance. Back then, I heard "insomnia" by faithless on the radio and I became a trance addict, without even realizing it. The list goes on, but this should give a you a starting point.

cheers!

Posted by Nightflowers on Jan-13-2003 18:06:

I think we aren't looking in the right direction
the real question is : WHEN Trance was named Trance ?

Posted by SgtFoo on Jan-14-2003 00:12:

quote:
Originally posted by Nightflowers
I think we aren't looking in the right direction
the real question is : WHEN Trance was named Trance ?

yea, that's prolly the right question to ask here.

Posted by Prototrance on Jan-14-2003 00:56:

I heard that trance evolved from German 'industrial' techno when some innovative artists from the genre started adding melody to their techno tunes.
So essentially you've got the repetative bass pattern with flowing melodies.

But I agree you cannot determine the exact 'point' when trance became. But if you could I would worship that point in time!!

Posted by Space Cadet on Jan-14-2003 02:42:

If you guys are interested in the development and progression of all these genres from disco to detroit and chicago house to techno and trance, you might be interested in reading a great book called
Generation Ecstasy. I forgot the author, anyways it is an incredible book, very well written and it describes the progression of all these genres and how they started and changed over time...

Posted by Lira on Jan-14-2003 16:29:

Space Cadet, por que voc� nunca aparece no f�rum em portugu�s do tranceaddict?
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/f/?id=64

Posted by Nrg2Nfinit on Jan-14-2003 16:41:

Im surprised.. you guys have been talking about german techno but neglected to mention RMB

these two guys have evolved their style from german techno into trance over the past 12 years.. you can actually see the progression hehe

Posted by DrUg_Tit0 on Jan-14-2003 19:58:

I'm not sure that RMB was techno or is now trance. They have their own distinct sound which I find very hard to classify. But I'd say it's closest to non-childish hhc.

Although I haven't heard any of their new stuff, only remixes from trance producers. Do they have some new material? I'd like to hear it very much.

Posted by trancearmada on Jan-14-2003 20:47:

i dunno to me Trance started with the Future Sound of London

Posted by Lira on Jan-14-2003 21:19:

^^^ lol Ambient was important for trance, don't worry

quote:
Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0
But I'd say it's closest to non-childish hhc.

I don't know who these guys are (shame on me), but non-childish hhc is actally known by the name "freeform"

We were talking about it in the "opinions about hardcore?" thread

Posted by Stamina Daddy on Jan-15-2003 09:35:

Georgio Moroder - The Chase. I think this track is from the late 70s.

Posted by Nrg2Nfinit on Jan-15-2003 13:29:

quote:
Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0
I'm not sure that RMB was techno or is now trance. They have their own distinct sound which I find very hard to classify. But I'd say it's closest to non-childish hhc.

Although I haven't heard any of their new stuff, only remixes from trance producers. Do they have some new material? I'd like to hear it very much.

check out Wonders of life

and high noon done under the alias rochus

these are newer tracks by themn

Posted by extepan on Jan-16-2003 12:38:

this is not a flamer

people this is not a flamer, but i read from a website that techno originally developed in new york gay clubs in the 1980-1990's. is it true?

Posted by Pio on Jan-16-2003 16:11:

Re: this is not a flamer

quote:
Originally posted by extepan
people this is not a flamer, but i read from a website that techno originally developed in new york gay clubs in the 1980-1990's. is it true?

HAHAHA. Well, the relationship between gay club culture (especially black gay club culture) and electronic dance music since its origins is pretty undeniable. But the gayest genre was Chicago house, because it was a straightforward evolution of disco. The Detroit techno fathers tended to reject the ghetto and gay aspects of the scene by not using as much diva vocals and being less "funky", but still, the club scene in the US was pretty gay in the eighties, which included gay clubs in NYC.

quote:
Georgio Moroder - The Chase. I think this track is from the late 70s.

Moroder, a German dude, is the father of disco. But yes, it is obvious that the diva vocals of trance come from that legacy.

quote:
As for Germany I would say "Robert Miles - Children"!

Not really, there was a lot of German trance before Children. Jam & Spoon- Stella, Jam & Spoon-Follow me, Humate-Love Stimulation--- Are all from 1993 and clearly trance in every element.

Check out this thread on the history of trance: http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...=history+trance

But don't underestimate the evolution of music history and the influences of the pioneers of electronic dance music such a Moroder and Kraftwerk and then into Chicago/Detroit. Trance owes it all to them.