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Overbassing problem

I'm curious of how do you resolve overbassing problem during a transition?
It's better work on gain or work only on bass frequency to prevent overbassing?
Sometimes i kill bass of the song that fade out when the song that fade in is at full volume and sometimes i don't kill bass but down gain.
Let me know your secrets...

Yeah,
I know what you mean hey. When you get that overpowering thing goin it makes the transition more obvious, actually, lets just say obvious. I go the progressive style, where you lower the bass eq on the track you are bringing in, or the one you are taking out, depends what style you are goin for. =)

listen up man!
here is the trick that i believe is used by all top jocks...
set bass to the loewst level on you mixer, and the other parameters a bit higher, when the song hits the correct phrase release the cued record, try to keep the beats match as match as you can, then after a few bars, when you feel that the track is getting into a little break raise the bass and lower the other one really fast.
important: you have to raise the bass about half a second or less before the bass hits on the other track, so you won't get a trainwreck effect.
try it, it works excellent, leave me a message if something is not understood.

shay

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Originally posted by fishfish listen up man! here is the trick that i believe is used by all top jocks... set bass to the loewst level on you mixer, and the other parameters a bit higher, when the song hits the correct phrase release the cued record, try to keep the beats match as match as you can, then after a few bars, when you feel that the track is getting into a little break raise the bass and lower the other one really fast. important: you have to raise the bass about half a second or less before the bass hits on the other track, so you won't get a trainwreck effect. try it, it works excellent, leave me a message if something is not understood. shay

yepp...I use exactly this same technique...and nobody had to teach me...still I can't get a stupid freakin' gig since I don't know anyone in these business who can give me a push on the road...damnit...otherwise, good luck, and keep it up!

There are a couple techniques that you can use together that will allow you to control the amount of bass you output better. First, it greatly depends on how you mix, but I'll offer my input anyway. If you use the channel volume sliders instead of the crossfader, then you can simply just increase the channel volume to 6-7 and check out if the bass is too much, then adjust with the bass eq. I usually fade out the bass on the outgoing track before I start lowering the bass on the incoming track. Just be sure that you don't lower the bass more than a couple of ticks on your bass eq knob. If the bass is still a problem, then you can use the bass eq on the incoming track, then increase the volume the rest of the way on the channel slider and adjust again accordingly.

If you don't want to do that, then you can use the "slam it home" method. This is where your transition is very short and to the point. On an inphrase beat, you slam in the cued track while at the same time reduce the bass of the outgoing track. The bass jump will be noticable, but it should sound good, and sometimes there isn't much you can do with certain bassy tracks.

Another option is not to mix that particular track in with another track which has a very drastically different bass beat.

I might be a bit off the mark here but I hope this helps. Check to see if your clipping in the mixer. I don't know what your mixer looks like, but on mine, the output meter goes from green to yellow to red. When my output measures in the red I get bass problems during transitions. If you are clipping, adjust the volume on your mixer and amp so your output signal from your mixer stays below the red or "clip point"

Hope I helped out a little.

i never, ever, ever, have 2 tracks with both basslines going.
sends the volume levels soaring. (tho i mix primarily hardhouse, so its more noticeable).
i usually bring in a track with no bass, and then either swap them both at once (got kill switches on my mixer), or gradually fade one out and the other in, varying depending on the track.

i slowly cut the bass on the track going out and slowly bring the next tracks sounds lovely
good luck to ya!

well, this is what i do, i've mixed differently at times and this is what works for ME and what I think sounds the best for ME, so im not saying it can work for you.

so lets say you got the live track goin' and the cued track is already beatmatched, oh let me say i use the volume faders instead of the xfader (primarily cuz the xfader is fucked up so i leave it in the middle, otherwise i'd be using but volume and xfader), u wait until the loop ends/starts that you want to throw ur record at (u guys can even count beats/bars/phrases or watever u need to keep track of where u are in your songs) and let it go.. match it up and then i keep my gain low and bass definetly low on the incoming track. as i start to move the volume fader up (gain is probably around 20% at this point, high is 50% and mid is somewhere between) and so finally both volume faders are all the way up and xfader is in the middle (where its been and will stay for the entire mix). i start to bring the High/Mid into the mix and bring bass about halfway. now i turn the gain up to match the gain on the live channel. at this point i start to bring down the bass of the live tune while bringing in the bass on the cued' tune.. and eventually you have a nice transition. each mix you do, u can adjust the eq's however you want according to the song and how you want the transition to sound, i just outlaid an example for you to start w/, but just play w/ your mixing and do something u like, that you think sounds good, cuz wat sounds good to me may sound like shit to you, and vice versa, but whats important is that YOU think it sounds good. so, just make sure u cut that volume fader out on the live channel cuz if u forget and the needle starts reading the next tune (i guess this only happens w/ recs that have multiple tracks and/or remixes per side) it won't sound very nice. then put ur record away and find something else and do it again, and again, and again, and before you know it, ur done w/ your set and you think to yourself "damnit, i shoulda recorded that shit!"

HERE is an example from one of my mixes, but if you go to my webpage and then click on 'audio', it will be the mix posted on 1-12-03 and this clip is taken around the 35:45 mark. but, if i'm lucky and this clip is able to be posted here on this server, then u can hear it from this server. the clip is 1:10 and basically is my transition from the end of "System F - Solstice" goint into "Darren Tate vs Jono Grant - Let the Light Shine In" and the clip is in mp3 so you should all be able to hear it fine. Keep in mind the only effect that was added to this was some reverb tweaking which gives it that more kinda live powerful sound. the effect that kinda sounds like a dynamic delay (those who know cool edit and sonic foundry will know what im talking about) is part of the System F track, so basically what you hear is all just the mixer and me doing my thing w/ the EQ's, i woulda posted a flat copy (no reverb) but its on my MD and i don't feel like seeking for this one transition and doing all the encoding.. this should suffice..

..if this doesn't work for some reason from TA, you can click HERE (RealAudio8 required) and hear a real audio stream, however the sound is not as great, but then again, this mp3 file i had to cut down to 64kb/s encoding (yah a bit lower than 192) but hey, i needed to fit this 1:11seconds into 550kb!

Nice transition, it sounds good and clear. No overbassing and no volume difference between the two tracks. I think to understand what you say...
Practice,practice & also practice,nothing else to do.
Thank u and thanks everybody for all replies, very useful.

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Originally posted by b|p|3m Nice transition, it sounds good and clear. No overbassing and no volume difference between the two tracks. I think to understand what you say... Practice,practice & also practice,nothing else to do. Thank u and thanks everybody for all replies, very useful.

i'm glad i could help.. u know something that could hinder your style might be the way that you use ur mixer also.. for example, on my cheapass american dj mixer, i never really understood the "cue/pgm" knob, and so i always had it turned all the way to "cue" and basically i will only hear stuff if i select that channel..i'm referring to the "cue/mix" stereo split knob that is basically a fader between the "cue" and the "live" feeds. well anyhow, this can help you alot when adjusting levels.. cuz usually i'll leave that cue/live knob more towards the "cue" side so that i can hear the "cue" track louder while i'm beatmatching to the "live" track by wat i can hear outside but also compare to what you can hear of the "live" track on your headphones. then when u've got it matched, set the knob in the middle so its like having the xfader in the middle (except the knob is controlling the live/cue instead of both live mixes). now the reason this helps is because what you hear from the "live" part of the "live/cue" function is the same thing coming from the master (just not controlled by the master volume, but rather the gains/eq/volume-fader) so at this point you can play around and see what volumes are necessary. cuz although the "cue" track's volume-fader is all the way down at this point still, you will be controlling it through the "cue" function which is sending just as much feed to ur headphones as the "live" since u've got the knob in the middle (meaning that ur EQ/gain should be at the same level as if both tracks were in the "live" position). i feel that i'm getting a little confusing now, this is much easier to explain as a "hands-on" approach instead of me typing and you trying to picture this. if ur confused, i'm sorry, i can just tell u to fuck around w/ ur "live/cue" splitter knob and figure out how it works and how u can use it to your advantage. in my opinion, that is the best way to monitor ur EQ levels audibly, u can tell if a record will need to be turned higher in the gain because it may just not be as loud and you will be ready for it instead of thinking that ur mix is all perfect and then realizing that the now "live" track happens to be a bit softer or louder.. but yes, you were correct, just practise your ass off. u may have to get ur beatmatching down a little quicker because all of this just adds time to the process.. and ya kno how sometimes u decide to put on something else at the last second, well ur gonna run outta time if ur caught up still trying to beatmatch the record when u should be figuring out the EQ's by now; but u didn't mention beatmatching as a problem so i'll assume ur sufficient at that. and hey, just practice and always change things up, don't keep trying to go after that same transition because its just good to practise throwing records together that u never transitioned before. the last thing i gotta say for now is to know your records, know how they sound, know when they end, how they end/start etc.., this will greatly improve ur time deciding what track to play next because now that you can have an idea wat a transition will sound like by just looking at the record, u don't need to waste time actually taking it out and hearing it and seeing that 2 tracks don't go well together.. you also don't wanna get caught up w/ tunes that might have awkward melodies or one tune's melody kicks in 16counts before you expected it too... blahblah blah, most of all, remember that this is all for fun, everyone loves a clean mix, but no1 can love a mix anymore than the DJ who performed it or something like that, all i kno is i prolly get more satisfaction out of listening to my own mixes (when they're good) than anyone else cuz i kno i was successful in doing something that i love. aite peace.

or u could also bring in the track w/o the bass and throw it in during a "wave" or "sweep" type effect that is pretty common at the end of tracks, this way u use whats already there as part of the music to ur advantage, and basically during these effects where beats can cut out momentarily as part of the song, u just flip the basses so during that "wave" u turn down the bass on the live track and turn on the bass of the incoming cued track..

HERE is an example from the same mix in the above thread, its a transition between "mark norman - faith" and "the moon vs. the sun - sirius" (1:18 clip from my live mex 1-12-03) .. the link to the full mix is on my webpage http://djreel.onestop.net i'm thinking of rewording all of what i have typed as kind of a tutorial on how "I" mix, not something everyone may agree w/ or a style that they wish to use, but it should be nice as food for thought, or just a way to look at transitions to see if it works for u all.

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Originally posted by hapamoto or u could also bring in the track w/o the bass and throw it in during a "wave" or "sweep" type effect that is pretty common at the end of tracks, this way u use whats already there as part of the music to ur advantage, and basically during these effects where beats can cut out momentarily as part of the song, u just flip the basses so during that "wave" u turn down the bass on the live track and turn on the bass of the incoming cued track..

I just knew this trick. Sometimes it works good also with effects that there are @ the downbeats during the song (sorry for my language not properly technical ). This effects can work good to hide changes on gain and on the EQ like in your sample.

right on dude, its all about just doing things the way you like to and assuming they sound good, be creative w/ it.

If you are a IN CONTROL, everything you do works. Its not teachable but comes with experience.

To say you mix like......??? I don't understand each song has different instruments so you pick and choosewhat you do and don't want.

To recomend "robot" mixing kinda defeats the creativity.

If you are know how to use the controls to an good degree can even create Flange and resonance type effects, Without the Effects..

the greener, what are you trying to say? who is talking about effects? and what is robot mixing? i believe anything can be taught, so long as you've got the right teacher, however sometimes that teacher happens to be yourself. To say "its not teachable but comes with experience"

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Its not teachable but comes with experience.

is redundant because i know many DJ's who've been at it for a looong time and they still don't get it, and its not just DJ'ing, i'm sure you all know someone that has had a hobby or just does something forever but they're not good at it, experience doesn't necesarrily facilitate skill. one's ability to adapt and evolve or mold their skills will go much further than someone who has a lot of experience but still does the same shit they did when they started. I do understand what you are trying to say when you said:

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To say you mix like......??? I don't understand each song has different instruments so you pick and choosewhat you do and don't want.

I believe ur just harping on the fact that I tried to explain, as best I could in words, the process of mixing. but don't take this so literally as if there is a fucking handbook or manual on how to do this. Any person in the world who has ever done anything, for example picking their nose, over time has probably figured out a more efficient or at least better way of doing so. Thus, I laid out a general example for this guy to build off of, its up to him whether or not to take it into consideration. you are the one who is not gaining from my advice because when u look at things in a negative manner, u fail to see the possible benefits. and i have to assume you are taking me for granted because i'm just spitting out robot mixing advice. if any creativity is to be lossed because of my "robot mixing" advice, it is lossed by you because you could take what I wrote and make it better (to your opinion of course, but thats fair because everyone is entitled to their own opinion) and then tell me why my advice is bad, but at least offer a better solution. Otherwise, you have not contributed to the progress of this thread, rather just wasted my time by making me respond to your ignorance. I apologize if i seem crass, im just really tired and ur response seemed to be an attack on my part, if that is a misconception, please disregard this reply.

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