Reason More PowerFull than fruity ??

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Posted by djpanky on Jan-15-2003 03:29:

Reason More PowerFull than fruity ??

well people i have reason 1.0.1 and fruity loops 3.56
i now the 2 prog are very powerfull y can create some
lead in fruity that i never can create on Reason....
i like reason because i more easy to use for me i and i like
the quality...
What you people think is more better and why ?

here is a attach why i like fruity to create this king of energy
i can create a sound like this on reason

Posted by djpanky on Jan-15-2003 03:38:

here is the link:
http://www.samplecity.net/forum/att...tachmentid=7621

Posted by brash on Jan-15-2003 03:43:

Not this stupid argument again...

Posted by djpanky on Jan-15-2003 05:09:

bah!
well sorry if i want to learn..

Posted by J.L. on Jan-15-2003 05:31:

both are powerful in each of their own respects...

but there is no point in switching from one program to another program when you have already mastered one... so i say just stick with the program you are using and don't bother switching

Posted by brash on Jan-15-2003 05:52:

Sorry, it's just that this topic has been brought up many times before (and on many different message boards).

Use whichever one you like better, or both if you find that they compliment each other.

Neither one is really better. You can create good tracks on either one...

Posted by coby on Jan-15-2003 08:58:

I say friuty is better the reason ...

but Logic audio is the best !

Posted by Mr.Mystery on Jan-15-2003 09:21:

quote:
Originally posted by coby
I say friuty is better the reason ...

but Logic audio is the best !

Yes, that's what you say.

Posted by Mod1 on Jan-15-2003 17:20:

quote:
Originally posted by coby
I say friuty is better the reason ...

but Logic audio is the best !

agreed...once youve tried logic, reason seems a bit crap really doesnt it.

Posted by djpanky on Jan-16-2003 04:37:

no problem brash

thanks guys i will keep with reason i download the 2.0 version
and for me is more easy to use

Posted by DJ-Fuq on Jan-16-2003 08:46:

Fl is better. Reasons sequencing and redrum are laughable. The whole fx system is crap too and its just annoying to use.
I think the fact that fruityloops has such a shit name gives people a bad impression as soon as they hear of it so theyll probably just use reason and get biased etc.
If reason users knew fl inside out they would realise how much better it is.

Posted by Mr.Mystery on Jan-16-2003 10:10:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ-Fuq
Fl is better. Reasons sequencing and redrum are laughable. The whole fx system is crap too and its just annoying to use.
I think the fact that fruityloops has such a shit name gives people a bad impression as soon as they hear of it so theyll probably just use reason and get biased etc.
If reason users knew fl inside out they would realise how much better it is.

...and if you knew Reason inside out you wouldn't be here talking crap. It's the same thing.

As said earlier - giving other products a bad name just because you don't know anything about it/don't like it personally is the only thing that is laughable around here...

Let people use what they want and keep your biased opinions to yourselves.

Posted by Flotser on Jan-16-2003 10:28:

quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
...and if you knew Reason inside out you wouldn't be here talking crap. It's the same thing.

As said earlier - giving other products a bad name just because you don't know anything about it/don't like it personally is the only thing that is laughable around here...

Let people use what they want and keep your biased opinions to yourselves.

I see everytime someone says anything againt reason, you are anooyed again. but, for many people those disccusions help them know where to start from, to be sure they using the right tool. for exmpale, before coming here i was sure reason is perfect and too hard to use... that was biased, now i have mush balanced view about production progs, all that by seeing people talk shit about reason or about fruity or watever.

now i also feel much more confident about myself using fruity, knowing its good inmany people's view. also i love the malstrom!

Posted by DJ-Fuq on Jan-16-2003 11:31:

I do know reason well. Ive had it for ages.

Posted by brash on Jan-16-2003 16:37:

Personally, I can't stand the "pro" sequencers -- like FL, Reason, Cubase, Logic, Orion, etc. I have now tried out several of these, and none of them give me the speed and flexibility I get from Buzz, or, I assume, from a real tracker like Renoise or Skale.

Granted, I haven't used any of those as long as I have used Buzz.

I suggest to anyone trying to decide on which software to use to at least check out Buzz (http://www.buzzmachines.com) and Renoise (http://www.renoise.com) in addition to whatever else you look at (FL, Reason, Cubase, etc.). Spend just a bit of time going through the "Quick Start" (or equivalent) guide that comes with each of these pieces of software. Then use whichever sequencer you find more comfortable.

Also, there is one thing people seem not to understand. The quality of the native instruments of some sequencer is NO REASON AT ALL to use it. You can always either get those sounds somewhere else, or even use that softsynth within the software, without needing to use the actual sequencer.

I suggest you pick software with a sequencer with which you feel comfortable with, not software with an instrument you like.

If you are used to working with hardware, you may well find the "pro" style sequencers better (FL, Reason, Cubase, etc.), as these are modelled after hardware, and indeed usually designed to be used with hardware. If you are just starting out, and don't already have experience with hardware, you will likely (from what I have read, and from my own experience) find a tracker, or something like Buzz which is tracker-like, much more intuitive and comfortable.

In any case, don't base your decision to use a product on how good its native instuments sound, or how easy they are to use -- you can always get that sound or use that instrument if you decided to use some other product, whether it is Buzz, FL, Cubase, or whatever.

Oh, and don't feel like you have to pick ONLY ONE product. Most of these products are designed so that you can end up using two or more together, if you so desire.

Hope that helps someone...

Posted by Mr.Mystery on Jan-16-2003 17:18:

quote:
Originally posted by Flotser
I see everytime someone says anything againt reason, you are anooyed again. but, for many people those disccusions help them know where to start from, to be sure they using the right tool. for exmpale, before coming here i was sure reason is perfect and too hard to use... that was biased, now i have mush balanced view about production progs, all that by seeing people talk shit about reason or about fruity or watever.

now i also feel much more confident about myself using fruity, knowing its good inmany people's view. also i love the malstrom!

The main point is - like brash said: pick one program and learn it well. There's no point whatsoever calling any program "shit" just because you don't use/like it, whether it's Reason, FL (which I personally do not like at all but I do know what it's capable of), Logic, Buzz etc...

I'm not just defending Reason, but posting comments like "it's shit" without any kind of proof is just dumb no matter what program we're talking about.

quote:
I have now tried out several of these, and none of them give me the speed and flexibility I get from Buzz

Tried out Buzz and it crashed before I even had a chance to do anything (I was listening to the demo tracks supplied with it) - haven't touched it since.

Posted by quddha on Jan-17-2003 10:21:

quote:
Originally posted by brash
Personally, I can't stand the "pro" sequencers -- like FL, Reason, Cubase, Logic, Orion, etc. I have now tried out several of these, and none of them give me the speed and flexibility I get from Buzz, or, I assume, from a real tracker like Renoise or Skale.

buzz rox0rz. But I guess its not for everyone. Being freeware and how anyone can develop machines for it, there are alot of bad ones that crash the prog. I guess you gotta have a love and knowledge of computers, as well as the oldschool tracking style, and not attracted to bells and whistles gui to like it. thats me!

So many machines to use, I can make any sound I want from scratch, never have to search for samples. All for free.

There's another prog competing with buzz, with the same concept kinda. psycle. http://psycle.pastnotecut.org
However, it doesn't have the multi-track sequencer that I'm too used to, and only a fraction of the machines.

Posted by brash on Jan-17-2003 17:49:

quote:
Originally posted by quddha There's another prog competing with buzz, with the same concept kinda. psycle. http://psycle.pastnotecut.org
However, it doesn't have the multi-track sequencer that I'm too used to, and only a fraction of the machines.

Yeah, I checked out Psycle because I got frustrated with Buzz's external hardware support. But had the same problems with it that you did. Plus, it didn't have any good MIDI Out/Audio In support, as far as I could tell. And then I fixed my problems with Buzz (got a beta MIDI sync pack with drivers/machines made by Zephod), and it works perfectly! So I am happy with Buzz once again.

There is a movement now to get rid of the buggy machines. I forget the URL, but there is somewhere you can go and submit the names and problems with machines. (E.g. if there is a later version of a machine, or if it crashes Buzz when you do something with it, or whatever.) Eventually, these machines will come with warnings, or be taken out.

Buzz really is simply incredible. Now that I have sampled other sequencers, I can't imagine using anything else... only slightly possible that I might have liked Renoise or Psycle, if Buzz weren't around. It's a real show of how good it is that so many people use it, despite all the bugs.

I can't wait for Buzz 2!

Posted by Dave Albert on Jan-20-2003 05:45:

I am just recently begining to MASTER FL. With every track I make, the better I get. With every track i make, I also learn more techniques. FL is extremely powerful when you use it correctly and "clean the sound". FL gives you lots of options. I haven't used Reason because I am used to FL. Answer to question is and has always been>>>>Master any.

Posted by NicklessGuy on Jan-20-2003 06:39:

Well, i really think both programs has all the features u may need to do any professional quality song. I really dont know reason well, but already heard enough bout it to know its powerful.
I think that it being so closed is a little drawback, u cant import plugins into reason, u must use samples instead (that is what some people said me, sorry if im wrong), but i think that compensates for fruity's main drawback, that is it being hard to master.

Fruity is really a powerful tool, but u will only be able to do something really nice after using it for a long time. It gives u all the freedom to do what u want, but its not obvious, u must learn a way. Even the 16 fx tracks drawback can be fixed with some sampling.

The most powerful tool is the one u hav mastered and/or feel most comfortable. Then if u still imagine something u dont know how to do with your tool, u can do it by the help of another prog/plugin and manipulate it into your chosen program...