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My FruityLoops Questions

OK guys, I'm working on my first track ever, in Fruity 3.56.

I'd like to ask you some questions as I go along, if you don't mind, periodically in this thread

Okay, 1st question: I recorded 2 vocal samples (call them V1 and V2), of different lengths. With the 1st bar of each new measure, I want to alternate between V1 and V2. But the thing is, V2 is longer so I need to "cut it."

In fact, I want V2 to be suddenly "cut" by V1, that's why I made it longer.

So I set V2 to "Cut itself," but it still doesn't work! The end of V2 still plays out. Does "Cut Itself" only work at the end of the whole pattern?

Here's what I have: V1 is - , V2 is _

- _ - _

each of these starts a new measure (of 4 bars).

Re: My FruityLoops Questions

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Originally posted by Eugene OK guys, I'm working on my first track ever, in Fruity 3.56. I'd like to ask you some questions as I go along, if you don't mind, periodically in this thread Okay, 1st question: I recorded 2 vocal samples (call them V1 and V2), of different lengths. With the 1st bar of each new measure, I want to alternate between V1 and V2. But the thing is, V2 is longer so I need to "cut it." In fact, I want V2 to be suddenly "cut" by V1, that's why I made it longer. So I set V2 to "Cut itself," but it still doesn't work! The end of V2 still plays out. Does "Cut Itself" only work at the end of the whole pattern? Here's what I have: V1 is - , V2 is _ - _ - _ each of these starts a new measure (of 4 bars).

"cut itself" , is the orgianl form a channel, where the new notes in the same cannel cut the notes in the same channel....
i can explain it to you now, but i afraid i'll do any mistaeks cause i never used this option , just look what is said in the Help
"Miscellaneous Channel Settings (MISC)" section:

2. Cut / Cut By
Using Cut/Cut By you can set triggering of a note in one channel to cut notes in another one. To do this you set the Cut value (the LCD on the left) to some number in the channel that will cut notes and then set the Cut By value (the LCD on the right) to the same number in another channel (that will be cut from the first one). FruityLoops will not detect if the Cut value is set to the same number in several channels, so you may freely create any combination to suit your needs. You can also make a channel to cut itself - just set its Cut/Cut By values to the same number. FruityLoops will do this automatically (finding unique numbers, not used in other channels) if you check the Cut Itself button.

Please note that cutting just sets all notes' envelopes to release state. So if release you set is long, you will still hear a note fading out after it was cut.

Happy cutting

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Originally posted by Flotser "Miscellaneous Channel Settings (MISC)" section: 2. Cut / Cut By

OK, thanks, I got it, BUT:

What if I want a sample to be cut by 2 possible other samples?!
There's only one Cut/Cut By box in the Misc Channel settings!

Suppose I have V1, V2, V3:
V2, the middle one, will be cut by V1 and V3.

So, I set:

V1: Cut=1, CutBy=1 (itself, doesn't matter)
V2: Cut=2, CutBy=1
V3: Cut=2, CutBy=3

doesn't work!

^^^ bump

And also, another question: I was under the impression, while downloading, that "FrutyLoops 3.56 Full" meant FULL.

Suddenly I find out that SimSynth says Demo on it, and that I won't be able to save it(??) SimSynth is not included in the "Full" version? Then where can I get it from (also KaZaa)? And do you guys recommend using SimSynth at all, as opposed to something else, for the main leading synth-keys?

it sucks
fruity is such a pain
can't cut a channel by multiple others, can't save SimSynth...

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Originally posted by Eugene V1: Cut=1, CutBy=1 (itself, doesn't matter) V2: Cut=2, CutBy=1 V3: Cut=2, CutBy=3 doesn't work!

i think you can't call v3, cut=2 cause its taken.. ?... :
yep!
look at what i copied from the help for you in the previus post:

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FruityLoops will not detect if the Cut value is set to the same number in several channels, so you may freely create any combination to suit your needs.

and about your second question.... yes there are demo versions of some synths in the FULL version.... they cost additional money... and yes you can download them, like you can download everything today.... here you should help yourself

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Originally posted by Flotser i think you can't call v3, cut=2 cause its taken.. ?... : yep!

so then, how can I have a channel cut by multiple other channels?
It's such a simple, and common, task, that it should be easy...
How?

OK, I sort of figured it out... but...

My 2nd Question: How to do a drumroll in Fruity?

I come to a point where I fill every single box, and then I need to split the smallest box into halves! How are drumrolls programmed?

OK, I sort of figured it out... but...

My 2nd Question: How to do a drumroll in Fruity?

I come to a point where I fill every single box, and then I need to split the smallest box into halves! How are drumrolls programmed?

open the piano roll for the drum u wanna roll (example: snare)
then click at the top left corner to get the Menu.
Click on Open Scores and you can see that there are some presets drumroll. Load and see how its done.
hope it helped

Thank you!

Next essential question: I have a sample, and I want to tweak its volume from silence to full, throughout a single bar.

How can I record this "tweaking"?

... and another one:

Everything in Fruity is in a neat square matrix, but what if I need to insert 1/2 a pattern (a small break) rather than the whole pattern?

Can you increase the "resolution" (or whatever it is called) of the matrix? For example, in Buzz I can make it so the sequencer lets me put in a pattern every 1 beat, if I want. I'm sure something like this is possible in FL...

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Originally posted by brash Can you increase the "resolution" (or whatever it is called) of the matrix? For example, in Buzz I can make it so the sequencer lets me put in a pattern every 1 beat, if I want. I'm sure something like this is possible in FL...

that's what I want to find out.

I've seen "triangular" playlist-patterns in FL and I'm guessing they mean "partial patterns." But I have no idea how to get there. I've looked everywhere...

im sorry but i dont unerstand what u mean
if u dont wanna use the whole pattern then create another one with the half of it!?

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Originally posted by marco.V im sorry but i dont unerstand what u mean if u dont wanna use the whole pattern then create another one with the half of it!?

Yes, but that will leave the other half completely empty (and I'll have to wait till it ends)!
And I want the next pattern to start immediately after 1/2 of the previous one!

it's a very common thing, to insert small irregular breaks like that...

did i get it?
u got 2 patterns (example with kicks = X):
1st pattern: X---X---X---X---
2nd pattern: X---X---X---X---

and u want this:
1st pattern: X---X---X---X---
2nd pattern: --------X---X---X---X---

right?

just send the 2nd pattern to piano roll and let start the first 2 kick the bar u want. Then when u will play this in the playlist u will have to put the pattern 2 square just under the pattern 1 one.

if i didnt get it right then i must improve my english

your best bet is to just make several patterns...

copy the piano roll from one pattern to another pattern by doing copy and paste... then open up the piano roll, select it and shift it right/left, wherever...


you will have a lot of questions when u start out a new program, but your best way to learn is just to look at other examples...

and by the way... to record the increase in volume, first make a blank pattern that starts on the first pattern... call it "MAIN AUTOMATION" (or something else to remind you).... now save your file because if you record something wrong or accidentally record on the wrong pattern or turn the wrong knob, it can be a hassle sometimes....
k.. making sure that the "MAIN AUTOMATION" pattern is selected, click the record button and make sure you are in "song" mode...
now press play, and as the song proceeds, adjust the volume knob as you want and it will record all the movements of the knob...

there are several other little "tricks", "tips", and suggestions to recording knob tweaks in fruity but i'll save them for later because it will just confuse you...

finally, it's a good idea to take a look at the other included .flp songs that come with fruity loops...
click open, and in the loops folder select the "Cool Stuff" folder...
i would check out all the songs by "Toby", "JasoNC", and a track called "H441-GOA.flp"...
they aren't top notch but they can help you get where you want to go...

-- Okay --
Thanks a lot guys

I solved the problem by making my track 32-based, not 64-based as before.

My next question is: I tried recording a "volume tweak" and screwed up. How can I go back?! (Lucky I saved it , but in general if I screw up when I do something on the fly, how do I reset it?)

it depends what you screw up on...
case #1: you chose the wrong pattern while recording
there are 2 ways to solve this... either replace the channel or fx with an identical one of the one you screwed up with and delete the original, or basically copy everything from that one pattern down to another pattern...
case #2: your tweaking of the knobs is incorrect/innacurate etc...
this is simple to correct... all you do is re-do the recording.... now this is the tricky part to understand... let's say the knob starts off in the song at 0% but on bar 5 you recorded a change in the knob that was wrong... to correct this, you must either record a change in the knob BEFORE bar 5. the reason you do that is because when you press record, fruity loops does not actually record the "position" of the knob, but rather it records the "tweaking" of the knobs... so if you pressed record, and left a knob at 0%, it did not actually record anything... so if you want to "erase" the knob tweak at bar 5, you must record a knob tweak before bar 5 so that fruity loops recognizes that you are "recording" that knob and so it will actually start recording the knob's position from now on, after the slightest tweaking of the knob, provided that you don't stop the recording... basically, in a nutshell, in order to record the position of a knob, first of all, you must record a tweaking of the knob... then, fruity loops will know that you are trying to record that knob that you tweaked and then it will record the knob's position... so if you leave it alone, it will "erase" all other knob tweaks for that knob until you press stop...
yes... i know that was confusing
whew...
Case #3: You tweaked the wrong knob
basically do what i said in Case #2 by recording first a small tweak in the knob and then leaving it alone and letting it record over your previous knob tweaking... this will "erase" your previous knob tweak and now you can continue on with your other knob tweaking...

but after reading all that, what's obviously the best way to fix screw-up's in recording knob tweaks??
Prevention!
save right before you record knob tweaks so that if you do screw up, you can just load the file again....

ok... i think i've said the word "knob" and "tweak" enough times today.... time for a break...

hope that helped a bit... i know it was probably very confusing... but yeah...

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I tried recording a "volume tweak" and screwed up. How can I go back?!

Juz' go to the "Current Project" folder.
Then u will see all the automation files that u get from recording knob tweeks etc etc.

I think u can't figure out what to do from there.

Kewlness, u can try that out too.
I used to do the same thing as u before I found out about the "Current Folder"


Ta Da!

wow thx robstar... that sure helps a hell of a lot...

Np!

It so much easier doing it that way, now u can draw the filters just the way u want em. And the filter sequence will stay the same no matter where u put it in the playlist.

Its pretty easy, all automations events in fruity are recorded in an event editor window. Just go to the pattern u recorded, then, right-click the knob/button u messed and choose "event editor". There u will see a timeline measured in bars that contains a line going up and down that represents the amount of the turned knob's property.

U can just select the "delete" icon and erase the entire event, and u can write it with the pencil exactly the way u want, instead of turning it in real time.
There is also a LFO option there to help. Try to get a maximum range/value with small period LFO with square wave in the fruity mute FX ON button for a very cool steady effect on a string

Tip: Use the MAIN AUTOMATION pattern for the general events/recordings of the song.
If u want to make some knob turning only for a specific sample, record it in the pattern of that sample, so it happens everytime u put it on the playlist

About the cut/cut by thing, it works like this:
v1: 1 / -
v2: - / 1
v3: 1 / -

V2 will be cutted by V1 and V3, and will cut none other channel, while V1 and V3 will cut any cnahhel with cut=1 and be cutted by none other. Be careful no to mess up with the numbers and get unexpected cutting, its wise to write down yous instruments cut values when doing this.

Hope this helps

Oh, forgot to say:
the cut thing only works if the instrument/sample to be cutted hav a volume envelope. U must create one if not, even if it wont change anything, it must have it, so it can have a release state to make possible for it to be cutted

Thank you guys!
I'lm continuing to work...

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