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Posted by tranceyguynyc on Jan-22-2003 00:25:

could nyc ever get a huge indoor party?

Do you think NYC could ever support a huge indoor party like Innercity or Trance Energy, etc.

how do they do it in Amsterdam? Do the DJ's charge less? If it was made into a big event here, it would draw more than the trance regulars. Can almost never get a good back to back DJ night here. Just the main DJ, and an opening talent.

Oh well.... Just wishfull thinking.

Posted by amit on Jan-22-2003 00:26:

Re: could nyc ever get a huge indoor party?

Posted by Redeye on Jan-22-2003 00:38:

Re: could nyc ever get a huge indoor party?

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Originally posted by tranceyguynyc
Do you think NYC could ever support a huge indoor party like Innercity or Trance Energy, etc.

how do they do it in Amsterdam? Do the DJ's charge less? If it was made into a big event here, it would draw more than the trance regulars. Can almost never get a good back to back DJ night here. Just the main DJ, and an opening talent.

Oh well.... Just wishfull thinking.

They have tried this numerous times in The states and it has yet to work. Mecca, Creamfields, Ultra NYC 2002. NOne of then have ever worked. There is just not enough interest in Electronica here for it to ever work. Creamfields last year didnt even sell 3,000 tickets, they needed at least 10,000 sold to pay the djs. Not only that, but I highly doubt NYC would ever grant the license to have it indoors, especially with the nightlifr crackdown going on in NYC as it is. You def. cant compare Trance Energy and Sensation to anything else. Holland is totally different. Trance is pretty much mainstream there and therefore they can easily sell 50-60 thousand tickets before line-ups are even announced. Dance Valley sold out months before anyone knew who was spinning. Here that would never happen, its just a different way of life over there. I wish it were like that here, but I guess as long as we have eminem and J.Lo as our chart leaders we will have to stick to making the trips to Europe

Posted by Highmay on Jan-22-2003 01:57:

adding on to what ian pointed out: imagine trying to have a festival here in NYC like they have overseas...the DJ's cost a lot more when you consider that theyre traveling overseas...also, it would be at a smaller scale because EDM isnt as big here as it is in Europe... the Ultra and the Area concerts are probably the best thing we got for now...

give it another 5 years and re-assess this...

Posted by nuBe on Jan-22-2003 02:20:

well you cant really complain about going to europe......except the money which i'm sure none of us have

Posted by EarnYourKeep on Jan-22-2003 03:56:

OK THATS IT
HUGE INDOOR DANCE PARTY AT MY PLACE

Posted by Redeye on Jan-22-2003 04:52:

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Originally posted by kid nyce
OK THATS IT
HUGE INDOOR DANCE PARTY AT MY PLACE

who you gonna get to headline????

Posted by Shamez214 on Jan-22-2003 05:42:

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Originally posted by Redeye
who you gonna get to headline????

FERRY! FERRY! FERRY!

Posted by EarnYourKeep on Jan-22-2003 06:13:

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Originally posted by Redeye
who you gonna get to headline????

DJ WINAMP PH34R

Posted by Freeza on Jan-22-2003 09:08:

The largest indoor events that I have been to were the Whistle 2 and 3 parties, that took place in New Jersey in 1999 and 2000 - Both were sold out with over 12,000 people inside, and still a few thousand left that didn't get in... Still definatly has to be up there with the best events i've been to (Becides Ultra) Even those it didn't have all "big" dj's but definatly was impressive for me back then.

I haven't seen any events on the North East coast that big since then - I know they used to have bigger parties in cali, and there still is a couple of massives a year over there on the west coast

*edit* But none of those parties is like Trance Energy or anything like that overseas - Ultra is the only thing that comes close IMO - Wait, Ultra is outdoors oops O_o Ahh, I can't wait

Posted by LuNaSeA on Jan-23-2003 05:18:

oh man, i remember back when i thought raves like that kinda thing were "IT"... nothing bigger or better than that.. oh man.. i learned...!!!!!!!

Posted by LuNaSeA on Jan-23-2003 05:20:

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Originally posted by Highmay
adding on to what ian pointed out: imagine trying to have a festival here in NYC like they have overseas...the DJ's cost a lot more when you consider that theyre traveling overseas...

what, are they taking Concords to get to the US and therefore it costs an extra $5000 to get their asses here??? no...i'm sure it only costs a few hundred.. and some djs pay their own way to the states... (mario piu being one..)

Posted by Redeye on Jan-23-2003 05:25:

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Originally posted by LuNaSeA
what, are they taking Concords to get to the US and therefore it costs an extra $5000 to get their asses here??? no...i'm sure it only costs a few hundred.. and some djs pay their own way to the states... (mario piu being one..)

lmao, obviously you have never witnessed how bad djs can get. Flight must be 1st class. Hotel must be a suite, extras such as food, alcohol, drugs, girls (yes they do ask) among other things can hit the tens of thousand. Oaky alone runs his expenses up to almost 20k just on airfare (1st class), hotel penthouse, limo to and from the club and airport, special food in his room, extras he builds into the contract, believe me it costs a lot more to get them here. Ask Dave marvisi, he wont even bring the german djs because it costs too much, I know, I have asked.

Posted by wallflower on Jan-23-2003 05:39:

Sometimes a DJ does need to take the Concorde to get from one gig to the next, especially between US and Europe, with the time lost by the time difference.

This happened after that Air France Concorde accident that took all the other planes out of commission for a year and a half. (btw, that's not me )
http://www.mit.edu/~mitdmc/holiday/shock.jpg

Posted by Stassi on Jan-23-2003 14:19:

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Originally posted by kid nyce
DJ WINAMP PH34R

You mean DJ Doboy?

Posted by Stassi on Jan-23-2003 14:24:

Posted by Highmay on Jan-23-2003 14:55:

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Originally posted by LuNaSeA
what, are they taking Concords to get to the US and therefore it costs an extra $5000 to get their asses here??? no...i'm sure it only costs a few hundred.. and some djs pay their own way to the states... (mario piu being one..)

it's business...if a DJ is considered "the best," then that DJ must be treated like "the best." It's more than just being paid over 50G's for a silly little thing such as DJing...it's how you get treated that will leave the lasting impression on all parties involved...

now that's the first and easiest headache...now you gotta sell a US festival to about 30 of the biggest names in electronica...i totally respect the people at Ultra for pulling it off and i wish godspeed to anyone with the balls to pull another one off here

Posted by baby G320 on Jan-23-2003 16:27:

quote:
Originally posted by LuNaSeA
what, are they taking Concords to get to the US and therefore it costs an extra $5000 to get their asses here??? no...i'm sure it only costs a few hundred.. and some djs pay their own way to the states... (mario piu being one..)

i dont think its a matter of getting to the states and spinning but its about how many people would show. in europe trance is well recognized (to the point where trance is a catagory at the european music awards). in the states there are a lotta trance listeners but it's not as wide spread as it is in europe. basically why throw a huge ass rave like trance enery, white&black edition, and mayday in the states when you can throw it in europe with a guaranteed packed audience. but if i could throw my own party... goddamn... it would be a siiick lineup... starts with ferry, then armin, and then ends with a bang with pvd.. muhahaaa.. anyhoo~ theres my 2 cents on the topic :P hehe

Posted by Big blue on Jan-25-2003 08:09:

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Originally posted by Redeye
They have tried this numerous times in The states and it has yet to work. Mecca, Creamfields, Ultra NYC 2002. NOne of then have ever worked. There is just not enough interest in Electronica here for it to ever work. Creamfields last year didnt even sell 3,000 tickets, they needed at least 10,000 sold to pay the djs. Not only that, but I highly doubt NYC would ever grant the license to have it indoors, especially with the nightlifr crackdown going on in NYC as it is. You def. cant compare Trance Energy and Sensation to anything else. Holland is totally different. Trance is pretty much mainstream there and therefore they can easily sell 50-60 thousand tickets before line-ups are even announced. Dance Valley sold out months before anyone knew who was spinning. Here that would never happen, its just a different way of life over there. I wish it were like that here, but I guess as long as we have eminem and J.Lo as our chart leaders we will have to stick to making the trips to Europe

Well said and I agree. for new years i flew under the radar and went to Amsterdam with tickets to Qontact at the Hieneken Music Hall(for anyone unfamilar ask anyone in the dutch forums). there were so many ppl it was SICK. Anyway the point is this, i think its impossible to throw a party here on that scale. Massive, and i mean MASSIVE-sound/attendence/vibe/lineup(sortof-jon the dentist, johan geilen, DJ Astrid-stole the night nice ONE!!!) just not enoughattention and acceptence of electronic music.
However in saying that, I hope ppl don't get to discouraged and keep trying to throw massives with trance, or any genre, ALLSTARS( PVD Tiesto, Armin, Corsten etc etc...). I gotta believe that someone other than ultra or god forbid park rave madness(haha i can't believe i just said) can successfully pull it off. But don't hold your breath.

PAZ

Posted by djRyan Jonathon on Jan-25-2003 08:23:

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