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Livesets going 2 be ILLEGAL???
There is something very disturbing going on...
1.)
claz.nl had 2 close - they say they were forces to, because livesets are also illegal... check here www.claz.nl
2.)
tracklistings.org was shut down by Radio1 - they only posted the tracklists to the essential mixes, not even the sets...
3.)
livesets.nl seems to be closed down too!
What is going on here? Did they something wrong or can some organisation like RIAA or BREIN close down sites just because they offer uncopyrighted sets? I'm afraid this could happen to even more sites...
Please, someone has to tell me that this is just a bad dream!
peace!
technofan
noooooooooooo!!!
that better be just a bad dream 
well, in that case swampah bettah take down all the mp3s on the downloads page
Who cares. Drugs, pirating games/programs/movies and a lot more shit is illegal and that doesn't stop people 
.
Making it illegal will just make it more fun to have.
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| Originally posted by TiestoInTheMix well, in that case swampah bettah take down all the mp3s on the downloads page |
(O.K and some tune reccomendations 
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Livesets have always been illegal, it's just that record companies tend not to care as much about their copying and distributing as they do when albums are concerned.
That is just plain BS. As far as I know, Livesets are not copyright, and can be recorded and shared. Unless it's off the radio (ie:Radio 1) , or it's copyrighted somehow.
Cd's are illegal, anything distributed through a record company is illegal. Recording livesets goes way back to the 60's.
People listening to trance sets, are just the same as the Dead heads back in the 60's who use to record Greatful dead concerts and share them, they take away the livesets, they kill the music..simple as that.
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| Originally posted by Ckerr812 That is just plain BS. As far as I know, Livesets are not copyright, and can be recorded and shared. Unless it's off the radio (ie:Radio 1) , or it's copyrighted somehow. |
a few things worth 2 mention
I'm not afraid that I won't get any new sets - there are a lot of alternatives 2 websites (soulseek, dc(++), emule/edonkey...)
But I liked the idea that there IS a legal way to get 2 free music - listening to internet-streams is free - recording these sets is legal too! But if you aren't allowed 2 trade your stuff - LEGAL stuff of course - that's against the idea of the internet in my opinion! Why should EVERY1 record EVERY set?? Imagine - thousands of people trying 2 get onto the most wanted streams! They'll need a LOT of bandwidth for that!
Anyway - I have bought most of my cd's because i was impressed by live-performances! I would never have bought one because of a single track played in the radio or tv (most of these remixes suck anyway)! Because of the great community out here I've stumbled across DJ's I've never heard of before - does the industry only want popular DJ's getting recognized??
I don't think DJ Tiesto would have become DJ of the year, if there weren't so many livesets available from him!
There are a lot of (mostly personlal) websites out there, which have built a HUGE community - it won't be the same without the possibility for unexperienced users to download sets!
peace!
technofan
well that is fucking stupid. I for one listen to live sets get the track listing to find the songs i like and usually own em a few weeks later fuck all these ass holes. God i hate pissy coorperations dont they realise all there bullshit is making em loose more cash...
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| Originally posted by TiestoInTheMix well, in that case swampah bettah take down all the mp3s on the downloads page |
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| Originally posted by Raptor whoever closes down TA... will recieve a riot from half of the worlds population of tranceaddicts. don't forget TA is almost half of the worlds tranceaddicts. |
A few points after reading this thread:
1) livesets are still copyrighted. The set itself is not copyrighted (unless its from a mix cd), but the individual songs are. Copyright is a complicated subject - too much to explain here and sufficient info on the web.
2) track listings of a live set - i think the BBC is stepping over the line. How can a track listing be copyrighted? The only reason I can see is that they got preasured by the "Industry" and took action for that reason.
3) although internet radio curretly is free - i don't know how long this business model will last with the new rules on webstreaming and the $$$ companies have to pay for it. Whether they give it you for free or not is their decision - but if they do they won't last.
4) Some solutions to the above (and also if TA would be shut down) is to move to the P2P architecture. Someone would have to write a client which accesses a distributed database of tracklistings. [ hey - thats an idea - if i could programme i would do it myself]. Then someone would also need to think of a way to have a distributed forum like this, but based on P2P.
anyway....
they can close us down, they can sue us, but they will never stop the distribution of free music as long as you pay $13 for a cd of which $12 goes to the Industry.
Gallox
i thin kthe main point with those sites is they completly revovled aroudn the distribution of whatever they were sharing ie. live sets. swamper has been very careful with stuff liek that on this site, which is mainy used for discussion of music.
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| Originally posted by trance_n_dance Who cares. Drugs, pirating games/programs/movies and a lot more shit is illegal and that doesn't stop people .Making it illegal will just make it more fun to have. |
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| Originally posted by kentylad hmmm being a bit arrogant aren't we? |
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| Originally posted by trance_n_dance Who cares I don't visit this page for the music I visit it for the people (O.K and some tune reccomendations ) |
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| Originally posted by gallox A few points after reading this thread: 1) livesets are still copyrighted. The set itself is not copyrighted (unless its from a mix cd), but the individual songs are. Copyright is a complicated subject - too much to explain here and sufficient info on the web. |
but why are the tracklistings pages down the racklistings doesn't contain copyright or something
tracklistings.org is still....last I checked. I thought it was ineptude why it has not been updated in months. There are other essential mix tracklist pages.
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| Originally posted by Raptor whoever closes down TA... will recieve a riot from half of the worlds population of tranceaddicts. don't forget TA is almost half of the worlds tranceaddicts. |
copyright question
What about private mixes released as promo? Like the mixes from Kuffdam, Substance, Gemini... which are available on their websites...
Are they illegal, too? (no difference to livesets in my opinion)
technofan
i don't know about these mixes - but if they contain records to which the people offering the download do not own the copyright then officially it is not allowed.
gallox
There is definitely no legal justification for closing down a site with only tracklistings, not actually livesets. Probably the people running the site were threatened with a lawsuit, and backed off, although they could have won if it actually went to court (but it would have cost them $$ to pay for their defense).
Alternately it could have been the hosting company that was threatened, and it was easier for them to just take the page offline than to bother dealing with the legal issues behind it.
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| whoever closes down TA... will recieve a riot from half of the worlds population of tranceaddicts. don't forget TA is almost half of the worlds tranceaddicts. |
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