switching spherical to elliptical

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Posted by DjJade on Jan-27-2003 05:51:

switching spherical to elliptical

i started with spherical needles... im up to about 60 records and im wondering if it would be bad if i decided to switch to elliptical stylli. i have been upgrading everything and im quite an audiophile. so...does anyone have advise/opinions/experience with the switch? does it sound ok when a spherical-worn record is played with an elliptical needle? thanks for any input

Posted by DJ Chrono on Jan-28-2003 03:34:

I don't think it would matter if you switched to elliptical now, on your spherical worn records.

Posted by DJ Chrono on Jan-28-2003 03:52:

If you're an audiophile, it might be interesting to check out the Grado DJ100 or DJ200 (both elliptical)

Grado audiophile quality in a DJ cartridge. Could be interesting, and they're not that expensive ($60.00 US for DJ100).

Frequency response of 10-50 ! I've never heard of any cartridge going past 22, let alone 50.

Posted by The Greener on Jan-28-2003 04:06:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ Chrono
If you're an audiophile, it might be interesting to check out the Grado DJ100 or DJ200 (both elliptical)

Grado audiophile quality in a DJ cartridge. Could be interesting, and they're not that expensive ($60.00 US for DJ100).

Frequency response of 10-50 ! I've never heard of any cartridge going past 22, let alone 50.

Not familiar with the Grado Products, BUT, if it is an Audiophile Grade Cartridge stay away!! The Cantilever is not made for DJ'ing style "as they would say" DJ "miss use" It will break.

Done it before!!

Posted by The Greener on Jan-28-2003 04:25:

Re: switching spherical to elliptical

quote:
Originally posted by DjJade
i started with spherical needles... im up to about 60 records and im wondering if it would be bad if i decided to switch to elliptical stylli. i have been upgrading everything and im quite an audiophile. so...does anyone have advise/opinions/experience with the switch? does it sound ok when a spherical-worn record is played with an elliptical needle? thanks for any input

I was gonna post in my Orto Thread but decided this is more current.

You said you swithced to a GrooveII (elliptical) to an Orto (spherical) and you noticed more "highs". That is right, I agree.

The diff from my buddys TrackmasterII's(S) and my GrooveII's(E)
was all in the Bottom end. You heard Bass Lines, different kick or bass Drum notes. The bass was "real" as opposed to the TrackII's sound of a "Punch" or "Boom" on the Bass.
I would attribute that to the Elliptical stylus having more surface area contacting the record.

As for you records being affected by this change?? Good question, I don't know. I do know that the Elliptical shape will contact area's in the groove that your spheres don't even touch. Maybe that's your answer

I have over 1000 records and would change to elliptical in a second, but I already did 2 years ago.
Did I notice a difference on record wear or SQ, No. Was there a difference? The Elliptical sound so much better, I didn't notice any negatives

For 60 records you got nothing to worry about.

Posted by DJ Chrono on Jan-28-2003 04:39:

quote:
Originally posted by The Greener
Not familiar with the Grado Products, BUT, if it is an Audiophile Grade Cartridge stay away!! The Cantilever is not made for DJ'ing style "as they would say" DJ "miss use" It will break.

Done it before!!

But these audiophile grade carts are meant for DJing.. I guess they are more fragile than regular carts, but if you're carefull with them maybe they'd be usable?

quote:

Grado Labs announces the release of their new DJ series of professional phono cartridge. Built and designed to meet the demanding needs of the professional DJ musician, these cartridges deliver performance never known before in the pro DJ market. The Grado specially engineered transmission line cantilever allows for the ideal transfer of music signal and for safe and effective stylus back-cueing. The DJ series can track from 2 to 5 grams, and delivers the warm musical Grado sound the audio industry has embraced and enjoyed for 50 years. The DJ series incorporates our newest Flux-Bridger generator systems for lower effective tip mass and lower electrical inductance. Each DJ series cartridge is hand assembled to Grado's high standards, which contributes to the unchallenged consistency of performance, and the Grado guarantee of reliability. The DJ series of cartridges are the most advanced phono pickups ever offered to the professional DJ market, without exception.

Posted by DjJade on Jan-28-2003 05:27:

when did these come out?? i had put grado cartradges on my dads hifi system and i loved how detailed they were... im so glad to hear abotu these. i already got nightclub e replacement stylli from avalonmusic on ebay... and i couldnt resist to get these. so i guess ill try to do a comparison in the future. ill keep everyone updated if anyones interested. thanks for all the info.

Posted by DJ Chrono on Jan-30-2003 01:23:

so does this mean you are getting the Grado's too?

Posted by DjJade on Jan-30-2003 02:47:

precisely

Posted by DJ Chrono on Jan-30-2003 03:32:

Nice, I'll look forward to a review on here.

Posted by MERTON on Oct-20-2003 15:14:

so how did the grado's turn out?

Posted by Dj Thy on Oct-20-2003 17:40:

It won't matter much first when you change from one type of stylus to another, but it's definately NOT recommended to switch all the time.

Spherical and elliptical styli have different sorts of wear (in short, spherical dig more in the width of the groove, while elliptical dig more in the depth). If you constantly switch from S to E and back, all this will add up quickly, and your records will suffer big time on the long run.

Posted by MERTON on Oct-20-2003 18:33:

hmmm... you may want to conatact john at [email protected] to see what he can do about that wear issue if it really is a big problem. he's a very nice guy and would love new sales (i think). and the grado (the dj models only) are supposed to be tough.