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Posted by sooper on Jan-29-2003 20:14:

Gonna buy my first decks

I want Tech 12s.

Should I buy new, or go along the lines of something similar to ebay?

I know nothing right now! thanks for any help!

oh...I'd also appreciate any mixer advice, and other things I might need.

Posted by blighty on Jan-29-2003 22:46:

Hi,

Check this mate:

http://ch.its.tudelft.nl/~kallen/sl1200/buying.html

Greetings,
Blighty

Posted by Elmo-On-XTC on Jan-30-2003 02:04:

Hey Sooper! I'm thinking of buying my frist pair of decks too...not Techs tho (can't afford). My plan is to build up my vinyl collection first, then go for something like numark tt-200's. but yeah anyways...

Personally, I wouldn't buy them used off ebay because you don't see them till you've paid the cash & shipping charges...if they're brand new off ebay it should be fine...

I would try and find a local seller or store that is selling them used. That way you can try em out, look at the condition first hand etc...besides, once you're done converting the cost into CDN dollars and pay for the shipping charges, it'll probably be around the same price.

as for mixers....

Posted by JayKuE on Jan-30-2003 03:26:

though grabbing a second hand pair is a safe bet, as many state they're "built like tanks", technics don't depreciate greatly in value so u gotta ask how much u'll really be savin. of course, shop and take a good look around as no doubt, there are real bargains out there. but after a month or so of looking around, i decided to just go brand new as i figured if u're going to pay that much, you may as well pay a little extra to be assurred with something untouched, un-used, brand new, and most of all with a warranty =)

as for mixers. you don't need something grand to begin with. no need for all the extra channels, effects n features. something basic, 2 channels, with 3 band eq. pioneer djm300 is a nice box to start. that's one i fooled around with for a lil b4 i got my gear. but then, my first mixer is a djm600, so i'm a hypocrite. but i got it cheap, so its justified =)

cheers!

Posted by basd on Jan-30-2003 07:31:

That'd be my advice too... go for brand new TT's. You won't save that much in the end, because Tech's don't drop that much in price.

When I bought my TT's, I looked around for some 2nd-hands too... But in the end I bought new ones (Gemini PT-2400's), just because I felt much more comfortable buying new ones. And I have to say, I still feel that way

As for mixers.. I myself bought a Gemini PS-626.. 3 channels, 3-band EQ's, everything you need, nothing more (except for the lame microphone talkover function of course ). Maybe it's worth considering for you too.. It's a decent mixer (until now, I've had it since early October 2002), and it's very reasonably priced.

Posted by Mpl4ever on Jan-30-2003 15:31:

Same opinion!

One thing why I never buy used equipment its because you dont know how the equipment was treated before you got it.

Just an example:
I dont smoke and nobody is aloud to smoke in my studio because the smoke and the hashes are really bad for your equipement.

Don't forget the humidity!! It can do good damage to the equipement and you wont know before they brake or start working bad.

So when you get used stuff, you never know how they were treated.

anyway. You make the call but I belive that you better by new stuff and put more money (even if you have to wait a bit more) then to get what you can afford now and not think about tomorrow!

Mat

By the way, make sure that you like Djing or that you will like it because even though Tech dont lose their value, you will lose some money if you want to sell them.

Posted by sooper on Jan-30-2003 16:24:

Thanks for all the advice guys!!

I agree that goin NEW is probably the best way to go - it'll be comforting knowing that they will be my babies from the beginning.

quote:
Originally posted by Elmo-On-XTC
Hey Sooper! I'm thinking of buying my frist pair of decks too...not Techs tho (can't afford). My plan is to build up my vinyl collection first, then go for something like numark tt-200's. but yeah anyways...

It's a good plan - yesterday, me & Hansolo bought 34 used vinyls in anticipation of the NEW decks!! I'm PUMPED.

Posted by Mister_Michel on Jan-30-2003 16:40:

I'm gonna buy my stuff too, tomorrow if everything goes well.

I'm going fot 2 cdj20's and preferrable a Gemini PS-626i mixer.

Later on (i'm guessing in about 2 years), i'll probably buy some nice decks too, but for now it's just to expensive

Posted by donatas on Jan-30-2003 17:53:

imho - only new!
it's cous more not so mutch - but u'll get new hardware!
all we have(2xcdj1000+2xdmp555+djm600+djm3000+2xT1210) - we buyed new!... coz if you using something from "0" u know everything about this "something" and when it breaks u know what u have to fix

Posted by JohnSmith on Jan-30-2003 23:39:

(2xcdj1000+2xdmp555+djm600+djm3000+2xT1210)

YUM!!

i think the dmp555 is overpriced and useless.

Posted by DJ Kibon on Jan-31-2003 01:15:

quote:
Originally posted by Elmo-On-XTC
Hey Sooper! I'm thinking of buying my frist pair of decks too...not Techs tho (can't afford). My plan is to build up my vinyl collection first, then go for something like numark tt-200's. but yeah anyways...

Personally, I wouldn't buy them used off ebay because you don't see them till you've paid the cash & shipping charges...if they're brand new off ebay it should be fine...

I would try and find a local seller or store that is selling them used. That way you can try em out, look at the condition first hand etc...besides, once you're done converting the cost into CDN dollars and pay for the shipping charges, it'll probably be around the same price.

as for mixers....

Hi,

Couple of suggestions for you. I too was faced by the same dilemma regarding turntables. I finally decided to finance my equipment, and went with Technics 1200s instead of the Numark TT-200s.

I must admit that I had some doubts with regards to how adamant everyone was about buying Technics, but now that I have my hands on them, I have zero regrets. The build quality is simply amazing - if you dropped a Technics turntable on someone, it would probably kill them. The things must weigh about 40 pounds each, if not more.

My line of thinking previous to considering financing was that I could buy something cheaper to start with, then buy Technics later. If you can finance, why bother doing that?

Posted by JohnSmith on Jan-31-2003 01:35:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ Kibon
The things must weigh about 40 pounds each, if not more.

26.5 pounds each. i weighed them soon as i got em.

Posted by KoreanDJ on Jan-31-2003 06:45:

get technics 1200 right off the bat......dont lose by buying numarks, gemini, etc. Eventually you will want 1200s.

Stevek

Posted by Arsalan on Jan-31-2003 07:51:

I want 1200s !!

Posted by xXxAzNrAvErxXx on Jan-31-2003 15:43:

quote:
Originally posted by KoreanDJ
get technics 1200 right off the bat......dont lose by buying numarks, gemini, etc. Eventually you will want 1200s.

Stevek

Totoally Agree..If you are gonna spend 200-300 on a cheaper deck..why not save another 100 or so to buy a tech...you will not regret spending the extra money on it. And once u get it..you dont have to worry about selling your old decks just to replace it with techs eventually. As for mixer..I started with the DJM 300 and still have it. It is definately adequate for beginners learning beatmatching and the basics of mixing. I am probably gonna replace it once I have mastered beatmatching flawlessly and have money to spend on a nice mixer and a dope sound system...or else a nice mixer would just go to waste without kick ass sound right?

Posted by sooper on Jan-31-2003 16:03:

All great advice!

Tech 12's it is.

Can anyone spot me a couple grand canadian?
Its for..uh...school!

I'm gonnna look into the financing option - WOO! can't wait.

Posted by DJ Kibon on Feb-01-2003 01:42:

quote:
Originally posted by sooper
All great advice!

Tech 12's it is.

Can anyone spot me a couple grand canadian?
Its for..uh...school!

I'm gonnna look into the financing option - WOO! can't wait.

Not sure about your local stores, but might want to try Long & McQuade. I didn't purchase from them locally because the sales guy was a dipshit, but their financing was pretty decent, and veeeerry simple to obtain.

They looked for me to put down about 20%, and pay the rest off over a year, which was fairly reasonable. Ended up purchasing at another local store, because the sales guy wasn't as much of a dipshit.

Posted by budahbro on Feb-01-2003 21:35:

hey i was wondering wut you think about these http://www.ion-audio.com/home/index.htm click on products, the iDJ02, or the ICD02. im just looking for somthing to have fun with.

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Posted by DJ Kibon on Feb-02-2003 06:57:

quote:
Originally posted by budahbro
hey i was wondering wut you think about these http://www.ion-audio.com/home/index.htm click on products, the iDJ02, or the ICD02. im just looking for somthing to have fun with.

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Well, I was actually giving some consideration to buying a hard record case that's nearly identical to the one on the ION site. Heck, it may even be exactly the same case, I'll have to take another look at it next week.

As for the rest of the equipment, I think you need to be very careful what type of gear you spend your money on. I've never even heard of that company before, and I shudder to think of what their turntables might be like.

The smaller integrated CD players + mixer combo looks interesting, though a few things do stick out. The all-in one "digital station" doesn't have EQ on each channel, only EQ on the master output. Bad.

I really don't know what to tell you, without sounding harsh. I think that if you're going to get into this stuff, it's nearly all or nothing, with some exceptions. You might want to start playing around with various computer mixing programs first, as it's a hell of a lot cheaper to start out with, and you can avoid the potential regret down the road if you decide that you aren't as interested in it as you thought you were.

Posted by budahbro on Feb-02-2003 08:03:

we'll you know any good computer mixing progs?

Posted by DJ Kibon on Feb-03-2003 01:04:

quote:
Originally posted by budahbro
we'll you know any good computer mixing progs?

I would recommend Mixmeister to begin with, there are also other programs out there. Mixmeister can really help you to develop your "ear" for mixing, though you don't do most of the mixing in "real-time" like you would on turntables.

Posted by Mpl4ever on Feb-04-2003 17:56:

I will make people talk!!!

Don't forget to consider the Vestax PDX 2000!

I bought them a while ago and Im very satified with them.

They might not have the 25 years of experience that the 1200 have but thats what they have more:

- Faster star/stop
- +/- 60% pitch
- reverse
- straight torn arm (it has good and bad side)
- feed less!! (and thats fucking important if use them for parties)
- start and brake speed control
- lighter (they weight about 10-15 lb)
- they are ugly compared to the 1200
- motor stronger (good and bad side)

and thats all I can think of for now!

So guy, im waiting for you complaint!

but I like my Vestax!

Mat