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Trance ---> Progressive | Hardcore ---> Hardstyle... what is next?

I first have to introduce myself for the people who don't know me...
Im 21 years old and im from the east part of Holland.
Im in the house scene since the early 90's and visiting some party's and clubs across Europe
Oh you can find a lot about me on these forums already, just do a search on "mindphaser" and you will read a lot of my history.

About the post!

Since the music is changing and changing im wondering what you guys think is next...
I hear a lot people saying that they had it with Hardstyle and Progressive and that they miss the simple older style of Trance.

What will be changed...?
What is next?

GreetZ,
Mindphaser

I haven't had it with hardstyle. Probably because I hate hardcore and most hard trance.

I think progressive will be around for a while.

Just one observation: despite of the name, progressive has been around before epic trance. It's called progressive because of its history (it was the blending of trance and house, which later resulted in the more uplifting stuff).

Back to the topic: Artists are always re-creating themselves and discovering new paths. It's impossible to know what will happen in the future because it's up to the minds who are behind the music. Let's suppose one artists, who likes ska and reggae starts to blend both genres with trance: depending on the evolution of this work, it could result in a new genre, couldn't it? Genres come and go everytime in a very subtle way, so it's quite hard to know what the next trend will be.

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Originally posted by Maaz Back to the topic: Artists are always re-creating themselves and discovering new paths. It's impossible to know what will happen in the future because it's up to the minds who are behind the music. Let's suppose one artists, who likes ska and reggae starts to blend both genres with trance: depending on the evolution of this work, it could result in a new genre, couldn't it? Genres come and go everytime in a very subtle way, so it's quite hard to know what the next trend will be.

yes, and there are always tracks between genres that you can't classify. it's all good music

TECHNO WILL NEVER DIE

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Originally posted by dj cuttof TECHNO WILL NEVER DIE

TECHNO WILL DIE SOON !!!

ahhahahahah the fathers of electronica techno & house are sitting in the back ground laughing.

what you are seing is the evolution of electronic music : the survival of the fittest.

Prog has been arround for ever... Guerilla is the best label EVER. if you dont know the label you should

Hopefully we'll see some stuff with more breaks parts.

I personally hope that stuff gets less commercial... cause i think it's most of all the scene around the music wich makes the music so great...
Being on a party with children of 16 years old who don't know anything about it is the most annoying thing there is, at least for me.

But i think im hoping on the wrong things

I know it is hard, but i think it is strange that nobody here has an idea or a feeling about what will be next... what will be changed... it's surprising me

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Originally posted by Mindphaser I personally hope that stuff gets less commercial... cause i think it's most of all the scene around the music wich makes the music so great...

yes, it would be nice to at least to see a bigger diferenciation between the comercial scene and the underground scene. on these days, tiesto is categorized as "pop".

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Being on a party with children of 16 years old who don't know anything about it is the most annoying thing there is, at least for me.

I'm 16!

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But i think im hoping on the wrong things I know it is hard, but i think it is strange that nobody here has an idea or a feeling about what will be next... what will be changed... it's surprising me

they say breaks is gonna be the next big thing... also mixmag came with that trance'n'bass cd, but that was more of a comercial attempt to sell the magazine. personally i think prog and trance will be here for a while. tech trance is gonna grow a lot I think too.

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Originally posted by Mindphaser Being on a party with children of 16 years old who don't know anything about it is the most annoying thing there is, at least for me.

watch what you're saying there wise guy...better that young people get into the scene then have it die in a couple of years
and it beats the hell out of seeing 40 year old pimps surrounded by 20 year old women all drugged out

most clubbers i dont think really care what kind of dance music they are listening to when theyre just trying toget plastered and have a good time. and that might have to with why people are thinking that trance is dying. but really its not. for the people who like quality trance and good djs you cant just go to any old club on any old friday and expect to hear it there. we have to look harder to find what we want. i dont think thats it is dying. its just that not many people know what real trance is i mean like epic, uplifting and prgressive. and thats why it seems like its dying. if everybody knew waht it was and there was more artists taht made it then guess what youd think it was then, Commercial. so be happy that your one of the few and the elite who have a taste for such music, and if you wanna see more of it then look. its still being made i swear.

I think that all genres will fuse and all the boundaries will become so blurred that genre definition will be next to impossible.

Just look at the current boundaries within 'progressive'
Tech-house
deep-house
tech-trance
progressive trance
deep-trance (is a genre honest!!)

Where does one genre begin and another end???

I think this will be the case with all dance music. BUT if more genres develop then maybe more boundaries will be created.

personally i am starting to like prog and starting to dislike the happier trance, of course there is always exceptions. i just emjoy the beat of prog, and the breaks a lot of the time.

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watch what you're saying there wise guy...better that young people get into the scene then have it die in a couple of years

i think what he meant to say was that he didn't mind 16 year olds at a party IF they like and understand the music. i dont think there is anything worse than seeing some crackhead teenager passed out in the corner from too many drugs, knowing that was his whole intent and purpose of going to that 'party.' granted it takes to time to learn about the music and the scene i think there has to be somewhat of a passion towards in and a love for the music for the whole scene to shift less towards drugs (even though it will never happen) and more towards a love of music and/or dancing.

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Originally posted by PaRaNoIk0 mixmag came with that trance'n'bass cd, but that was more of a comercial attempt to sell the magazine

I strongly disagree with you, caro gajo

That trance'n'bass CD may have been a bit commercial, but it reminded us of something we had forgotten: there are alternatives. There's no need to separate genres as purists usually do, because they evolve as we split and re-combine them

It all goes in a circle ... don't know how many of you remember the devastatingly hard tracks that used to be played beginning - mid 90s ... well things seem to be turning to that direction now, many producers are leaning towards the hard techy style resembling oldschool European techno. I'd say this will be the sound of the next few years now that superclub culture is slowly fading into oblivion (and with it a lot of fluff cheese trance) and giving way to the underground anti-commercial parties.

I see how many people would be nostalgic towards the tracks they know and like (see flufftrance remark) but this is becomming too much of a good thing. If your taste and preferences don't evolve you'll end up being stuck in a rut and getting bored of the music you listen to ... so give some other styles a chance, see if you feel any of the new music coming out even if it's not exactly something you know you like ... and I'm guessing that's where most producers are going to right now, experimenting with new sounds and trying to break out of a rut dance music seems to be stuck in right now.

Can't wait to see what the next little while will bring.

house & techno are having a bit of a world revival

trance & progressive slowing up a little

they'll be big again in a couple of years

drum n bass is the big mover of late (thanks to disco)

hardcore is so 1990's

hard trance/house will end up the new 'club' music genre

hope the real trance will come back

and hardcore will stay forever
HARDSTYLE IS VOOR MIETJES!

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Originally posted by TrAnCe CoNtRoL i think what he meant to say was that he didn't mind 16 year olds at a party IF they like and understand the music. i dont think there is anything worse than seeing some crackhead teenager passed out in the corner from too many drugs, knowing that was his whole intent and purpose of going to that 'party.'

Yeah that's what i tried to say, these days you most of the time see people on a party who don't know nothing about the DJ OR the music, they're just in the club or at the party to get drunk, use drug etc etc.

I wonder how parties are in country's like the usa and poland etc etc

Another thing, i hear a lot of people talking negative about the newest trance tracks etc, but i don't agree on that.
Just check songs like southern sun etc etc, they are sooooo emotional!!!
ofcourse, stuff like age of love is something classic but the songs of these days are much more emotional, more adulted... im really happy with it!

Im going to the Tiesto's solo concert on the 10th of May, im wondering what styles he will play there... i hope he will take us back into the time and then ends with quality stuff like he produced on his album in my memory...
Im looking forward to it

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Originally posted by Mindphaser I personally hope that stuff gets less commercial...

agreed.... you on my level. ya see i was listening to house music whe it started, and i still can appreciate it now. the main thing is technology.... i mean... listen to old house stuff... it wayyyyyyyyy simpler than what you listen to now a days... but the passion and the effort was still there.... theres no way that anyone could anticipate where dance music is headed now.


i personally think that music will get harder and harder, or deeper and deeper. I disagree that techno will die soon, it will spawn into sumthing else..... still contaINING techno elements... but combining other elements too. perhaps sum sort of hybrid techno/epic trance type thing <<< that cud be one future genre, also on the harder side of things, as more and more instruments r being created, and discovering new sounds thats stimulate the brain, theres no telling what cud we be listening to.

i often think about what music will be like in 10 years time. there was no way of telling that the acid basslines in 88 and 89 would turn into sumthing soooooo immmense as what we listen to now from the very sa,e machine that sumone created years ago.

at the end of the day, i feel that, music has no boudaries as long as there are ppl out there with brand new ideas on how to 'thrash the fuck' out of a machine or instrument and use it to its potential.

what was happy hardcore 6 years ago.. has now transformed into a form of fast paced euphoric hard trance. sum would like to call it 'trance-core', but to me trance-core emerged around 5-6 years ago, and sounds a little different from what i am hearing now in what used to be seen as a hardcore club/rave.


i recently went to a (ex?) harcore event...... to find that one of the pioneers of happy hardcore DJ Sy, was blasting out a the last setof the night, at 200+ bpm euphoric hard trance, but i tell you now, it was fucking good.

i guess my message is.... as long as there are innovative producers out there, there IS NO telling what kind of music we will be listening to in months/years to come, so sit back and enjoy the ride baby woooooooooooohooooooooo (<<<

Nice words, [N]�k|��[Z]

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Originally posted by Mindphaser Yeah that's what i tried to say, these days you most of the time see people on a party who don't know nothing about the DJ OR the music, they're just in the club or at the party to get drunk, use drug etc etc. I wonder how parties are in country's like the usa and poland etc etc

I live in Brazil, where rave parties became mainstream and I assure you: it's not much different. Some people go for the music, some people go because it's a trend, and some people go to use drugs... in fact, media and e-tards together can destroy the scene - in my city, a newspaper published a poll asking people if raves should be banned, after 5 reports about od's and police finding ecstasy.

I wonder why 80% of the people who voted in the poll were agains raves

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Originally posted by Maaz Nice words, [N]�k|��[Z] I live in Brazil, where rave parties became mainstream and I assure you: it's not much different. Some people go for the music, some people go because it's a trend, and some people go to use drugs... in fact, media and e-tards together can destroy the scene - in my city, a newspaper published a poll asking people if raves should be banned, after 5 reports about od's and police finding ecstasy. I wonder why 80% of the people who voted in the poll were agains raves

i have very strong views on the relationship between drugs and dance music...... wether you like it or not, id say a great part of dance musics evolution is due to drugs.. hell... even the birth of it was due to drugs. The only downfall is, that narrowminded people cant see past the fact that clubdrug usage is classed as drug taking, you can ask any drug taking person on this forum (i for one), and they will tell you that the ppl that ruin the scene r the drunkards.

i will admit right now that i take drugs when i am in club, not cos i find it hard to appreciate music without them, but all forms of trance are a mind bending, and drugs help to enhance the feeling of love and euphoria that the music gives off.
i said it before and ill say it again.... drugs r part of the birth of club culture, and i wuould much rather it die from clubs being shut down from drug usage, than it die from the shit atmosphere that the lager louts create in a club. any drug taking, music loving human being will tell you that.

Hell.... you think acid trance has gotten the way it has thru straight headed non drug taking producers..... i think not drugs always has been, and always will be a major part of musics evolution, and as long as it continues, newer forms of music will continue to stretch the mind of the listener, and take tham thru more and more boundaries


btw, i dont mean this to sound like a flame to you maaz.... just stating a point the you had made peace

I think breakbeat is going to get huuuuuuuge!! There are more and more tunes coming out that have breaks, even Sasha uses em alot. I personally don't mind em and actually like them at times. I will always be a fan of the 4/4, but breaks can do it for me at the right time!

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Originally posted by [N]�k|��[Z] btw, i dont mean this to sound like a flame to you maaz.... just stating a point the you had made peace

I didn't take it as a flame, I'm quite enjoying this discussion actually.

For me, the whole drug thing started because of the origins of dance music: it was something underground, supported by those who were minorities (black, hispanic and gay), so the American House and Techno scene might've born with this easy acceptance for those who are discriminated by society (remember that the first discos were created by people who loved the music and were hunted by the nazis in France). Also, the "respect" in the "peace, love, unity and respect" stands for accepting people for who they are, no matter if they like drugs or not. Therefore, drugs could easily have their way into the music scene.

Maybe I'm wrong, maybe not; the fact is that this is just one side of the whole complex world of the electronic dance music scene, and unfortunately, easily gives an opportunity for the media and the people who have prejudice to create stereotypes. See what I mean?

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