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seamless mixing??

can anyone give me some tips.. ive been spinning close to a year, but cant seem to get the songs to blend, the beat matching is spot on, but i cant seem to mix them seamless.. you can tell when the new song in too easy

Re: seamless mixing??

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Originally posted by hardtrancer_2 can anyone give me some tips.. ive been spinning close to a year, but cant seem to get the songs to blend, the beat matching is spot on, but i cant seem to mix them seamless.. you can tell when the new song in too easy

To obtain seamless mix you have to work with your eq and do progressive transitions. A good idea can be level down the cued track (using the eq) and then when you up the volume of cued tracks work on eq to level up cued tracks and level down outgoing track. To have seamless mixing can help also have long transitions to reduce the adjustments on volume and eq in the time. You can also pass definetely from cued track to outgoing track during an effect of one of two tracks to hide the change.

you also have to match the right phrase....sometimes it won't be a huge problem but most of the time it will sound like crap even with the beats matched perfectly.
Yea..working the EQs is a must for seamless mixing..and I know this has been said a million time..practice!!

practice some more....if you still can't get it. See your famous local DJ and ask for help. I had Aaron Simpson help me.



Stevek

so why dont you help him(hardtrancer_2) ?

maybe tell him what he said ?

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Originally posted by KoreanDJ practice some more....if you still can't get it. See your famous local DJ and ask for help. I had Aaron Simpson help me. Stevek

Hey Steve.... Why do you hvae Aaron Simpson's cd in your sig>? Someone passed me off that cd as a demo at Simple 6 and it had over 30 tracks on it,,, what the deal with that? Was he just trying to let people know all the tracks he has or does he actually play like that when he plays out?

i know about phrases etc, im mainly spinning uk hardtrance(could be my problem lol :P) could one of yous possibly explain how you would normally use the eqs during your mix? i use the bass eq a fair bit, but not to clued up on the mids and highs and at what point and how much to swap them

Yeah, EQing is important as well as channel mixing. But what you also have to realize is phrase matching. Basically, the more phrases you match together, the more fluid your mix will sound. Think of your transition as a color spectrum, and each color a phrase: the more each color blends in with each other, the more smooth the spectrum looks, whereas the less the overlap, the more rough and sharp the rainbow is.

you should probably start by telling us how you mix and why you dont think its working... its hard to say how to mix seemlessly since there are so many different ways. especially after a year its better if we just know your style or something.... and the kind of music you spin. its easy to say in general how to mix but i think after a year you are past the general...how to mix well. i think at the level [or potential that you are at] people should probably focus on more specific aspects.

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Hey Steve.... Why do you hvae Aaron Simpson's cd in your sig>? Someone passed me off that cd as a demo at Simple 6 and it had over 30 tracks on it,,, what the deal with that? Was he just trying to let people know all the tracks he has or does he actually play like that when he plays out?

NO it doesnt play like that when he plays out. It's just the CD i guess, he is coming out with his new cd and it's got like 25 tracks on it.


Stevek

yea i guess it can be a tricky one trying to explain, like i said before i mainly spin UK hard trance, i try to mix so there is always a bass line playing so the mixes for me are quite long(for me anyway), so assuming my new tune which is tune B is beat matched and the gains etc are matched, i drop tune B at the start of tune As new phrase(usually the last break down) the bass EQ is usually turned around to 9 oclock and the mids and highs to around 11 oclock. Once tune B is droped i slowly fade it up with the channel fader untill its just below tune As volume i ride this out depending how long the intro of tune B is and start swapping the the highs first then the mids from tune A to the position of tune B and tune Bs to the position of tune A (hope this is making sense) and just before the bassline in tune B drops in i fade it up to the same volume as tune A.. I then EQ out all the bass in tune A and switch tune Bs bass EQ to 12 o clock just before the new bass line drops.. can sound really tight or really shit! i then very slowly fade tune A out or it ends not far after..... thats how i mix, sometimes it sounds really good other times u can hear both tunes and sounds messy also sometimes through the mix the kick drums sound like they are "jumping" or "popping" is this just them going out of time?

anyone?? any comments?

dude,

different tracks have different ways of blending music.

so, the method you mentioned above might not work for every of the tracks.

so which tracks did you use for mixing the above?

ure mixing hard trance of course its gonna be hard to so a seamless mix. think about what tracks u mix together. hardtrance has a lot of bass , so when u mix em together it will be noticable. have a ncie day.

pratice.

practice some more.

practice until your parents yell at ya.

practice until your eardrums ring.

practice until you get better than PVD.

hahah

What would be a good way to mix basslines? Can you ever have 2 basslines going at once?

^^^ yes, its possible, but if they are exactly on top of eachother, you might experience a "cancelling" effect... so ideally the 2 bass beats should just very slightly be out of phase with one another, just enough so its not noticable...

you can but a technique u might want to try in case if it'ts not too appealing to the ears is to reduce the amount of bass in the outgoing track in proportion to the volume increase of the incoming track

tape a set and then listen to it think about what you liked and didnt like about it. then re-mix the set again changing what you thought was wrong. trial and error is the best way to learn.

but when your listening to the tape dont be too harsh on yourself listen to it like your new to the songs or something because if you know the two tracks well enough no matter how well you mix the two you are going to know when the new track comes in!!

thats what works fro me anys (cant say im the best at it yet but)

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drewfactor: What would be a good way to mix basslines? Can you ever have 2 basslines going at once?

Sometimes it is cool to have the two kicks exactly opposite one another. Not that difficult to do, but be careful because if they are a bit off it will be very obvious. I suggest only doing this for a short mix because for a long mix it can get annoying to listen to.

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Originally posted by TranceGeek ^^^ yes, its possible, but if they are exactly on top of eachother, you might experience a "cancelling" effect... so ideally the 2 bass beats should just very slightly be out of phase with one another, just enough so its not noticable...

yea..sometimes when I mix..the bass start fading due to the cancelling effect..I was wondering what that was

yeah, when that happens, cut the bass on the track you are mixing out of, that will solve the problem.

or if you want to keep them both on, then sometimes dragging your finger on the pitch dots for a sec will help get them out of phase.

thanks for the input

I was just thinking about another thing: Since trance is a very melodic music, does it ever occur that the key change between two tracks is too obvious? What tricks do you use to get around that?

I mean, you could have a track which bassline is in G and another that is is C and it might sound like a nice harmony, but lets say mixed a track in the key of E and key of B flat, it would sound off...can you simply not mix these tracks?

"some tracks just don't sound well when mixed together"

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Originally posted by DJ_Shockwav "some tracks just don't sound well when mixed together"

Guess that's true, good thing most are capable of being mixed...

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