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The official exceptional thread...

discuss everything that's got nothing to do with the US, Israel, Iraq, Palestine and North Korea.

*me expects zero replies*

hmm..

i think marijuana should be legalized.

oh shit, i'm a terrorist, that involves the usa i suppose..

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Originally posted by JohnSmith hmm.. i think marijuana should be legalized. oh shit, i'm a terrorist, that involves the usa i suppose..

Actually you're fighting terrorism. Legalize marijuana and they'd have to compete with major domestic corporations for the market, and I hardly think they could. Hence marijuana's legalization would deprive them of one of the primary funding mechanisms, one that they have also invested a lot of money to build infrastructure for.

Hm I always thought Opium was their source of income. Where does the greatest part of M. really come from? Ain't it South America/lebanon/southeast asia?

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Originally posted by Arbiter Actually you're fighting terrorism. Legalize marijuana and they'd have to compete with major domestic corporations for the market, and I hardly think they could. Hence marijuana's legalization would deprive them of one of the primary funding mechanisms, one that they have also invested a lot of money to build infrastructure for.

i agree. however, watching the super bowl commercials last year, they said if you smoke weed, your with the terrorists. then they proceeded to show commercials for prozac and zoloft.

by the way, most weed in the USA comes from either BC or california, where growing conditions are optimal, and laws are lax

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Originally posted by TranceGiant Hm I always thought Opium was their source of income. Where does the greatest part of M. really come from? Ain't it South America/lebanon/southeast asia?

You're right. Actually what I was suggesting was just legalizing all drugs in general, which would include Opium and its derivatives.

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Originally posted by TranceGiant *me expects zero replies*

i wasnt going to reply until someone did


with regard to the topic that kinda came up...
im for legalization of weed at the least but considering all drugs were legal do you think people (the mass they in general) would be responsible enough to use them without causing a catastrophic social disaster?

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Originally posted by Izzy i wasnt going to reply until someone did with regard to the topic that kinda came up... im for legalization of weed at the least but considering all drugs were legal do you think people (the mass they in general) would be responsible enough to use them without causing a catastrophic social disaster?

Well, most parts of Europe if not all, and South America .. in some cases, have a more mature society in this case. Great Example Holland, where XTC , WEED are legal, if not all drugs. The same for England, where XTC came legal, and that money to stop XTC was rather used to educate those using the drug, yet, those societyes are more mature.

And to the US, with strong words, is not mature enough to forefront those changes. This is a conservative country, pretty much, and not as open minded , in that kind of way, to those in Europe... so I do say that it will be a catastrophic social disaster

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Originally posted by Izzy i wasnt going to reply until someone did with regard to the topic that kinda came up... im for legalization of weed at the least but considering all drugs were legal do you think people (the mass they in general) would be responsible enough to use them without causing a catastrophic social disaster?

Well I just moved to Holland and i don't see any catastrophic social disasters that were catalyzed by legalization. After living for 20 years in an American Puritanic repressive society I feel like I am in a place that is light years ahead of that bullshit. For the first time ever I feel like I am in a free country

man, p�o, dont remind me too much of wonderful amsterdam
btw. u gotta check out that HUUUUGE book store in the middle of the city (dont remember what street it was)..u know, the one with the infinite amount of old, rare second hand books from all over the world..me n my mate spent 5 hours just chilling there and have a look into many of those great books.

Oh, lookin forward to meeting you n the rest of the dutch connection in Arnheim

hm, I haven't been to that bookstore yet but I think I know what you're talking about, I have to check it out.

Yeah Tiesto in Concert is gonna be crazy, I heard that 15,000 tickets have been sold already, so if you haven't bought em hurry!!

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Originally posted by TranceGiant discuss everything that's got nothing to do with the US, Israel, Iraq, Palestine and North Korea. *me expects zero replies*

There�s loads. Here�s an example; the UK�s can talk about Lords reform. In fact, anyone is welcome to talk about the relative merits of a bicameral system if they wish to!

^^^^
that me, a cool guy who's ordered his tickets 3 days ago

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Originally posted by LiquidX The same for England, where XTC came legal, and that money to stop XTC was rather used to educate those using the drug, yet, those societyes are more mature.

that never happened, they've just accepeted people take E in clubs, and made sure clubs have optimal conditions for clubbers (free water, good air conditioning etc...)
There was a trial in Brixton where the police wouldn't stop people for smoking weed, arrests for drugs like cocaine, heroin etc... went up considerably, and Jonny Weedsmoker got away scot free!
which was nice

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Originally posted by Az that never happened, they've just accepeted people take E in clubs, and made sure clubs have optimal conditions for clubbers (free water, good air conditioning etc...)

they should realize that here too and do the same, instead of trying to close down clubs or take away their liquor license.

>JM<

Ahh yes, legalization. It should be all or nothing, IMO. Sure, drugs to bad things to you over time, but that never stopped anyone. think about it though, alcohol, which shows perhaps some of the most detrimental short term effects of any drug, is completely legal. So why then are drugs with a less debilitating short term effect like weed and E illegal? Seriously, I bet if you took the amount of deaths from coke, Heroin, E, Acid, and other man-made chemical drugs, they probably still number far less than drunk driving and alcohol related deaths, in the united states at least.

Keeping something illegal just increased the demand. Look at Sweden, according to a drug map post made in another TA thread, Sweden took a zero tolerance policy to drugs with at least as much Zeal as the US, and lo and Behold, the drug use in Sweden has actually risen fairly sharply in the last 10 years! It's the same with young kids with parents that are too strict. You don't let them live, and then when they get off to college, with no parent to babysit them, they live too much, sometimes paying sever consequences for it, even death. Europe is another prime example, with alcoholism being a bigger problem in the US, despite the fact that Europeans can have booze at almost any age.

Interestingly enough, the national economy could benefit greatly from legalization, with sales tax and whatever else they feel like.

The users of the drugs would benefit as well, for the drugs would be regulated if they were legal. No more buying weed from an unknown source and finding it unwantingly laced with Speed! on a more serious note, no more question to the potencies of Heroine mix, witha regulated specific amount, keeping from overdose. In short, accidental deaths linked with drugs would decrease severely.

I think the biggest reason is just common sense. The government is naive to think they can stop use of illegal drugs. Prohibition is a testiment to that, the only difference being that alcohol is more popular than other drugs. If the people are gonna do something you don't agree with, you might as well capitalize it and reap the rewards, huh?

Anyways, none of these reason are new, and I'd probably remember more when I'm tired, but I'll stop here. Later.

Personally I think legalization would be beneficial, primarily because most drugs are not so hard to get anyway. Getting ecstasy pills is as easy as going to a store and buying 1kg of potatoes. There is not enough cops to be actively persuing everybody who smokes weed or takes ecstasy. Therefore thay have a sort of policy if I accidentally see you take it you're busted, but if I don't see it it's not my problem.

Besides, you can get high in so many ways using substances that are being regularily sold, yet you don't see everyone on the street sniffing glue or breathing in petrol gases. To use drugs you have to be mentally and socially suited for it, and if you are, you can get them without much trouble.

The money spent in the current way should be redirected into education of people instead of persuing them. And education in a real way, and not just saying drugs are bad, mmkay, so don't use them.

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Originally posted by LiquidX Well, most parts of Europe if not all, and South America .. in some cases, have a more mature society in this case. Great Example Holland, where XTC , WEED are legal, if not all drugs. The same for England, where XTC came legal, and that money to stop XTC was rather used to educate those using the drug, yet, those societyes are more mature. And to the US, with strong words, is not mature enough to forefront those changes. This is a conservative country, pretty much, and not as open minded , in that kind of way, to those in Europe... so I do say that it will be a catastrophic social disaster

here, I don't think we can handle it
if everything was legalized theres no doubt people would abuse them, in fact it would probably be trendy to do drugs

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Originally posted by Izzy i wasnt going to reply until someone did with regard to the topic that kinda came up... im for legalization of weed at the least but considering all drugs were legal do you think people (the mass they in general) would be responsible enough to use them without causing a catastrophic social disaster?

There'd be a big-time social problem in the short term, but it would run its course and things would be far better afterwards than they were before.

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Originally posted by LiquidX Great Example Holland, where XTC , WEED are legal, if not all drugs.

only accepted drugs in Holland is weed, rest is illegal

Antartica
-polar icecaps (western portion) are melting

Africa
-hunger
-Aids
-infectious disease
-civil war and strife

South America
-rain forest degregation
-bad economies
-large economic disparity between citizens

...etc

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Originally posted by PeacefulWarrior Antartica -polar icecaps (western portion) are melting

nothing new, been melting since the Ice Age
wish people would stop making things like that a big deal when they're not

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Originally posted by Az nothing new, been melting since the Ice Age wish people would stop making things like that a big deal when they're not

??? I did a whole research on the GLOBAL WARMING issue. And it really is a big deal. And no, they heavent been melting since the ICE AGE. The ICE CAPS remained .. Glaciers were melting pretty slow, and if you have ever visited a Glacier 10 years ago, and you go visit now.. you will see a drastically big change .. look at the marks of the years, and you will see for yourself that now they are melting faster then ever. This is a big deal, and its sad to see how the governments dont take this as consideration. All the islands, and even the biggest costal cities will be affected by this, not only this cities, but about every country with all the outrageous natural disasters that are happening and about to happen . Water Shortages, Floods, Huge thunderstorms... things we havent esperienced ever, all this are making history. Trust me, this GLOBAL WARMING is a big deal, and if the ICE CAPS from ANTARTICA melt.. you would have to start praying for your home country England.. been and island, in years to be affected by this as well.

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Originally posted by Blik only accepted drugs in Holland is weed, rest is illegal

I read an article on how on Innercity they let you bring 3 pills of ecstacy .. whats up with that ?

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