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An Israeli Hero
I read up on this guy this week.. and found this article. Here are some excerpts. We need more Israeli's like this. A truly brave and moral person.... SHAME ON ISRAEL!!!!!!!!
http://www.counterpunch.org/gaffney01312003.html
his name is Mordechai Vannunu
excerpts from the article:
In September 1986, Mordechai Vanunu was illegally abducted by agents of the Mossad for revealing to the world press information that confirmed the existence of Israel's often-denied plutonium separation plant. The plant is buried eighty feet below ground in the Negev desert, and had long escaped detection. Since the 1960s it has been used to recover plutonium from spent fuel rods from the Dimona nuclear reactor, located nearby. The plant continues to be an integral part of Israel's ongoing nuclear weapons program. Israel is believed to possess at least 200 nukes.
Then Prime Minister Shimon Peres ordered Vanunu' s abduction to silence the whistleblower, and to bring him to trial for allegedly jeopardizing the securi ty of the state of Israel. But Vanunu's real "crime" was speaking the truth. And for that he was made to suffer a fate worse than death: eleven years and five months in solitary confinement. Isolation in a tiny cell is a well known form of torture, and one that can cause deep emotional scars and mental impairment. During this period Vanunu was subjected to constant harassments and humiliations: an obvious attempt by the Mossad to "break" his will, or drive him over the edge. Amnesty International described the conditions of his ordeal as "cruel, inhuman, and degrading."
Yet, the prisoner held firm as a rock. Nor has Vanunu since wavered from the position of principle he articulated in the very beginning: that the only sane path is full disclosure and abolition of nuclear weapons. From his prison cell Mordechai wrote: "It is a dangerous illusion to believe they [nuclear weapons] can be defensive....Only peace between states can promise security."
The world gained another glimpse of Vanunu's character in 1998, shortly after his removal from solitary and his placement in the general prison population. At that time he was queried by Israeli officials about whether he would agree to remain silent on the nuclear issue, implying an offer of conditional release. But Vanunu refused. He insisted on his right to speak freely. And he made it plain that being muzzled on the nuclear issue was non-negotiable: not an option for his release. Vanunu is currently starting the seventeenth year of his eighteen year sentence.
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Over the years the case of Mordechai Vanunu has come to symbolize the intractable problem of state secrecy that continues to stymie all efforts toward world nuclear disarmament. This is why Vanunu has been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize every year since1987. Though his name is a household word in Europe, Australia, and throughout much of the rest of the world, here in America Vanunu remains almost unknown. The US press ignores his case because it is an embarrassment to Israel and to the US government.
israel is not signator to the non proliferation act.
shame on israel for putting in jail a traitor 
Amazing how foreign observers always tend to take political "Outcasts" such as Uri Avneri, Amira Hass, Beilin and Vanunu and make them heroes by (subcosciously?) converting the notion of "the majority isn't always right" into "the minority is always right".
Which is also a lie.
Vanunu is a typical case of a "traitor", yup. He's happy to have traited Israel and not some Arab country. Had he done the same to say, the Iraqui regime, he'd have found himself lynched and hanged up in some market place or soccer stadium, in order to frighten more potential traitors.
Israeli Heros are Menachem Begin, David Ben Gurion, Eli Cohen, Ron Arad, Ilan Ramon, Yoni Netanyahu, Moshe Dayan.. R..a.. I ehm..donno bout the last one.
In my opinion.. he did the RIGHT thing and exposed to the world how deceiving the Isearli army is. Im sure you would want to know where each and every nuclear weapon is made seeing that Izzy and other Americans are meticulously scrutinizing the UN while they search for them at this moment in Iraq. Just cause one's a traitor to a nation doesnt makes him a bad person! Im sure if someone in Iraq sold out and revealed the supposed WMD in Iraq.... you would all find him a hero... or is he a bad person or "traitor" as you call him....
Well if Israel has right to imprison the guy for revealing it's secret weapons program, in that case Saddam has every right to threaten potentially traitorous scientists to kill them if they cooperate with the UN inspectors.
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| Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 Well if Israel has right to imprison the guy for revealing it's secret weapons program, in that case Saddam has every right to threaten potentially traitorous scientists to kill them if they cooperate with the UN inspectors. |
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| Originally posted by Cyrus King Im sure you would want to know where each and every nuclear weapon is made seeing that Izzy and other Americans are meticulously scrutinizing the UN while they search for them at this moment in Iraq. |
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| Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 Well if Israel has right to imprison the guy for revealing it's secret weapons program, in that case Saddam has every right to threaten potentially traitorous scientists to kill them if they cooperate with the UN inspectors. |
Moshe Dayan was a great Hero of ours!
if he did for any nation what he did for israel, they would all be proud to have him as one of their own!
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| Originally posted by Izzy dont play dumb, there is a reason why we are specifically going after saddam's weapons and not israel's, we've gone over this before. |
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| Originally posted by Cyrus King Then why did they keep it a secret???? They were hiding something...and i dont care which nation it is... hiding something like that is very wrong. You can say Saddam has weapons or not..but actually finding them... thats something. |
OUCH!!
You got burned!
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| Originally posted by Yoepus they are keepign it secret and out of focus because they don't want people like you bitching and moaning about it. There is nothing wrong with Israel's nuclear program - inversly had it not had this nuclear program it might already have been destroyed, or more people on both sides, and arabs in particular would have died in failed attempts to re-invade Israel. So it saves lives, ya . . . . oh and you should obviously consider renaming the thread, perhaps something like "An Israeli I consider a Hero", as it is without doubt that Israelis do not consider him a hero, and therefore he is not an Israeli Hero in such context, after all you do want the appearance of correctness. |
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| Originally posted by Yoepus they are keepign it secret and out of focus because they don't want people like you bitching and moaning about it. There is nothing wrong with Israel's nuclear program - inversly had it not had this nuclear program it might already have been destroyed, or more people on both sides, and arabs in particular would have died in failed attempts to re-invade Israel. So it saves lives, ya . . . . oh and you should obviously consider renaming the thread, perhaps something like "An Israeli I consider a Hero", as it is without doubt that Israelis do not consider him a hero, and therefore he is not an Israeli Hero in such context, after all you do want the appearance of correctness. |
Because they seem to hate the same dirty fucks that you seem to support!
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| Originally posted by melech_mike Because they seem to hate the same dirty fucks that you seem to support! |
I have mentioned Mr Vanunu before. A real hero in the truest sense of the word. In fact he will be seen as a true patriot.
People of principle are so few and far between. In this world conformity and obedience matter far more than principle and conscience. No matter what the country.
And to all you Jews who condemn this man for acting for the good of mankind not some narrow pathetic national interest. Shame on You.
By your fucked up logic Colonel Stauffenberg and the plotters who tried to kill Hitler are criminals rather than heroes because they disobeyed orders and tried to kill their commander in chief. And conversely some Waffen SS officer who died for the Third Reich is a hero because he is a fanatical 'my country right or wrong' kind of guy.
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| Israeli Heros are Menachem Begin, David Ben Gurion, Eli Cohen, Ron Arad, Ilan Ramon, Yoni Netanyahu, Moshe Dayan.. R..a.. I ehm..donno bout the last one. |
I could respect him for trying to stand up for his principles if only his methodology made sense.
Suppose Israel was trying to build a massive stockpile of nuclear weapons. If Vanunu knew this, and chose to disclose it, which of the following results is logical:
1. Israel decides to halt nuclear weapons production and signs a peace agreement with the Palestinians and neighboring Arab states.
OR
2. He gets his ass thrown in jail, rival nations accelerate their attempts at WOMD production, and Israel in response to an increased threat from their enemies as a result of the disclosure decides to produce even MORE weapons.
Obviously, scenario 2 is far more realistic. Vanunu obviously didn't think his decision through to its logical conclusion before he decided to act. He might have had the best of intentions, but you don't become a hero by acting like an idiot.
Cheers,
Arbiter
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| Originally posted by Arbiter I could respect him for trying to stand up for his principles if only his methodology made sense. Suppose Israel was trying to build a massive stockpile of nuclear weapons. If Vanunu knew this, and chose to disclose it, which of the following results is logical: 1. Israel decides to halt nuclear weapons production and signs a peace agreement with the Palestinians and neighboring Arab states. OR 2. He gets his ass thrown in jail, rival nations accelerate their attempts at WOMD production, and Israel in response to an increased threat from their enemies as a result of the disclosure decides to produce even MORE weapons. Obviously, scenario 2 is far more realistic. Vanunu obviously didn't think his decision through to its logical conclusion before he decided to act. He might have had the best of intentions, but you don't become a hero by acting like an idiot. Cheers, Arbiter |
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| Originally posted by Cyrus King Why does there have to be a majority agreement by the Israeli population for him to be consideed a hero.. No matter where he was from or how old he was... i still consider what he did as right and brave. |
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| Originally posted by oDrori This will not necessarilly relate to this specific thread's topic but, Do you think anyone commiting a brave act is a hero? I mean, by [your] definition, is a hero a brave man or is he a brave man fighting for a good cause ("Good" - a very, very subjective term). |
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| Well if you are going to scrutinize every word i use in my sentences when everyone here knows i think Vananu did a brave thing for a good cause... then i will be mucch more specific this time when addressing something like this. |
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| Originally posted by melech_mike This time.... or did you mean to say next time? |
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| Originally posted by Cyrus King You dont know what was going through Vananu's mind....do youthink he actually blew the whistle for the detriment of mankind? |
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| Originally posted by Cyrus King Well if you are going to scrutinize every word i use in my sentences when everyone here knows i think Vananu did a brave thing for a good cause... then i will be mucch more specific this time when addressing something like this. |
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