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Posted by melech_mike on Feb-11-2003 20:10:

Read This! UN is guilty of anti-Semitism

February 9, 2003
UN is guilty of anti-Semitism

By LORRIE GOLDSTEIN -- Toronto Sun
Of all the shame the United Nations has brought down upon itself in recent decades, none matches its ongoing, obsessive, relentless and vicious attacks on the state of Israel.

Nothing - not the recent farcical election of totalitarian Libya to head the UN Commission on Human Rights, nor the bizarre appointment of Iraq, for gawd's sake, to co-chair a major UN forum on disarmament - so defines the moral bankruptcy of the UN as does its decades-long persecution of the very state it was instrumental in creating in 1948.

Writing in The Washington Times last May, Arnold Beichman, a research fellow at the Hoover Institution, described Israel as the only one of 190 UN countries ever singled out by a majority of UN members for extinction. This may have been an overstatement. But not by much. Consider:

As Morris Abram, the late chairman of United Nations Watch, once observed, the UN has held only two special emergency sessions since 1982. No session was ever convened to condemn China's occupation of Tibet, Syria's occupation of Lebanon, the Indonesian occupation of East Timor, or the slaughters in Rwanda, the disappearances in Zaire, or any other global horror. Only Israel was so targeted - twice.

At the UN's urging, only one member state has ever been brought before the Geneva Convention. Not Cambodia for its genocide, Russia for its brutal repression of Chechnya or Sudan for its atrocities. Again, it was Israel.

The UN General Assembly, driven by a coalition of Arab, Muslim and other dictatorships, has passed more resolutions condemning Israel than any other nation on Earth. But it has never censured Israel's assailants for their three wars of aggression in 1948, 1967 and 1973.

The UN Commission on Human Rights (UNCHR) passes at least five resolutions a year condemning Israel (last year it was seven) and spends about 30% of its time solely on the Jewish state. In contrast, as Beichman notes, each of the following countries or regions has been the subject of one resolution - Iraq, Iran, Russia/Chechnya, Afghanistan, Burundi, Congo, Cuba, Myanmar, Sierra Leone, Southeast Europe and Sudan. Manuel Prutschi of the Canadian Jewish Congress notes this double standard is compounded by the fact the UNCHR devotes one agenda item to focusing solely on Israel. All other nations are lumped together under a separate item.

Despite this, Israel, the only Mideast democracy, is not allowed to join the UNCHR, or the Security Council, while many of the world's worst dictatorships - Syria, Libya, Sudan, Saudi Arabia - can and do. As David Goldberg of the Canada-Israel Committee explains, membership on major UN bodies is conditional upon belonging to one of the UN's five regional groups. Israel is the only UN member excluded from this system because it has been prevented from joining its regional group - Asia - by an ongoing Arab boycott. Thus, it cannot even get a delegate appointed to the 53-nation UNCHR to defend itself from unfair attacks. Due to efforts by the U.S. and, to its credit, Canada, Israel now has partial membership in the "Western European and Others Group."

Israel, Beichman notes, is the only country to which the UNCHR assigns a special "rapporteur" to investigate human rights "violations." In other nations, rapporteurs investigate "situations." The reports by Israel's rapporteur are always one-sided because his mandate prohibits investigating Palestinian actions in addition to Israel's, even if they occur in the same area. The Israeli rapporteur's mandate is the only one not periodically reviewed by the UNCHR.

Each year on Nov. 29, the UN holds a United Nations Day of International Solidarity with the Palestinian People. The day is always a vicious diatribe against Israel. There is no UN Day of International Solidarity With the Victims of Palestinian Terrorism. No other "people" on Earth, no matter how brutally oppressed, receive a similar day of UN solidarity.

While the anti-Semitic ravings aimed at Jews at the infamous UN conference ostensibly against racism held in Durban, South Africa in 2001 are well-known, Israel is also the only UN state to have been subjected to two blood libels. In 1991, the Syrian delegate to the UNCHR accused Israel of murdering Christian children to use their blood to make matzo, an ancient anti-Semitic canard. In 1997, the Palestinian delegate accused Israel of injecting 300 Palestinian children with HIV-infected blood. Neither of these lies was immediately denounced by the UN. From 1975-91, in what even UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan has called a "low point" in its history, a General Assembly resolution equating Zionism with racism stayed on the books until it was finally repealed due to a campaign by the U.S. By contrast, in 1997, the mere mention of an allegedly blasphemous reference to Islam by a UN expert from an academic source, was instantly rebuffed by the UNCHR and deleted from the record.

No fair-minded person argues Israel should be above scrutiny by the UN. No fair-minded person dismisses the suffering of the Palestinians in the Disputed Territories and the human rights abuses committed by Israel, albeit in the context of responding to the constant threat of terrorism.

But to pretend, as the UN does, year after year, that Israel is the world's worst human rights violator, is not only sheer nonsense, it is anti-Semitism. And it is the UN's stock in trade.

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An excellent article that should be seriously concidered by everyone who prides themselves on being just.

I'd love to hear everyones opinion on this article and the issues it brings up.

Why the intence hatred towards this tiny state that contributes more to humanity than most other countries in the world?

Here is another excellent article for anyone interested:

Israel is Not All Intifada


Posted by Arbiter on Feb-11-2003 20:36:

The UN's fundamental premise: that most world governments are legimately deserving of international recognition, is false. What is to be expected but such factionalist incompetence? We are asking incompetent and tyrannous governments for input on the management of international affairs. The U.S. government as of late has been dubious itself, but compared with the majority of governments represented at the UN, it's downright saintly. I seriously think the U.S. ought to withdraw from the U.N., as our continued association with it seems to serve no constructive function other than to provide the U.N. a degree of legitimacy it does not deserve.


Posted by Cyrus King on Feb-11-2003 22:22:

Re: UN is guilty of anti-Semitism

quote:
Originally posted by melech_mike
February 9, 2003
UN is guilty of anti-Semitism

By LORRIE GOLDSTEIN -- Toronto Sun
Of all the shame the United Nations has brought down upon itself in recent decades, none matches its ongoing, obsessive, relentless and vicious attacks on the state of Israel.

Nothing - not the recent farcical election of totalitarian Libya to head the UN Commission on Human Rights, nor the bizarre appointment of Iraq, for gawd's sake, to co-chair a major UN forum on disarmament - so defines the moral bankruptcy of the UN as does its decades-long persecution of the very state it was instrumental in creating in 1948.

Writing in The Washington Times last May, Arnold Beichman, a research fellow at the Hoover Institution, described Israel as the only one of 190 UN countries ever singled out by a majority of UN members for extinction. This may have been an overstatement. But not by much. Consider:

As Morris Abram, the late chairman of United Nations Watch, once observed, the UN has held only two special emergency sessions since 1982. No session was ever convened to condemn China's occupation of Tibet, Syria's occupation of Lebanon, the Indonesian occupation of East Timor, or the slaughters in Rwanda, the disappearances in Zaire, or any other global horror. Only Israel was so targeted - twice.

At the UN's urging, only one member state has ever been brought before the Geneva Convention. Not Cambodia for its genocide, Russia for its brutal repression of Chechnya or Sudan for its atrocities. Again, it was Israel.

The UN General Assembly, driven by a coalition of Arab, Muslim and other dictatorships, has passed more resolutions condemning Israel than any other nation on Earth. But it has never censured Israel's assailants for their three wars of aggression in 1948, 1967 and 1973.

The UN Commission on Human Rights (UNCHR) passes at least five resolutions a year condemning Israel (last year it was seven) and spends about 30% of its time solely on the Jewish state. In contrast, as Beichman notes, each of the following countries or regions has been the subject of one resolution - Iraq, Iran, Russia/Chechnya, Afghanistan, Burundi, Congo, Cuba, Myanmar, Sierra Leone, Southeast Europe and Sudan. Manuel Prutschi of the Canadian Jewish Congress notes this double standard is compounded by the fact the UNCHR devotes one agenda item to focusing solely on Israel. All other nations are lumped together under a separate item.

Despite this, Israel, the only Mideast democracy, is not allowed to join the UNCHR, or the Security Council, while many of the world's worst dictatorships - Syria, Libya, Sudan, Saudi Arabia - can and do. As David Goldberg of the Canada-Israel Committee explains, membership on major UN bodies is conditional upon belonging to one of the UN's five regional groups. Israel is the only UN member excluded from this system because it has been prevented from joining its regional group - Asia - by an ongoing Arab boycott. Thus, it cannot even get a delegate appointed to the 53-nation UNCHR to defend itself from unfair attacks. Due to efforts by the U.S. and, to its credit, Canada, Israel now has partial membership in the "Western European and Others Group."

Israel, Beichman notes, is the only country to which the UNCHR assigns a special "rapporteur" to investigate human rights "violations." In other nations, rapporteurs investigate "situations." The reports by Israel's rapporteur are always one-sided because his mandate prohibits investigating Palestinian actions in addition to Israel's, even if they occur in the same area. The Israeli rapporteur's mandate is the only one not periodically reviewed by the UNCHR.

Each year on Nov. 29, the UN holds a United Nations Day of International Solidarity with the Palestinian People. The day is always a vicious diatribe against Israel. There is no UN Day of International Solidarity With the Victims of Palestinian Terrorism. No other "people" on Earth, no matter how brutally oppressed, receive a similar day of UN solidarity.

While the anti-Semitic ravings aimed at Jews at the infamous UN conference ostensibly against racism held in Durban, South Africa in 2001 are well-known, Israel is also the only UN state to have been subjected to two blood libels. In 1991, the Syrian delegate to the UNCHR accused Israel of murdering Christian children to use their blood to make matzo, an ancient anti-Semitic canard. In 1997, the Palestinian delegate accused Israel of injecting 300 Palestinian children with HIV-infected blood. Neither of these lies was immediately denounced by the UN. From 1975-91, in what even UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan has called a "low point" in its history, a General Assembly resolution equating Zionism with racism stayed on the books until it was finally repealed due to a campaign by the U.S. By contrast, in 1997, the mere mention of an allegedly blasphemous reference to Islam by a UN expert from an academic source, was instantly rebuffed by the UNCHR and deleted from the record.

No fair-minded person argues Israel should be above scrutiny by the UN. No fair-minded person dismisses the suffering of the Palestinians in the Disputed Territories and the human rights abuses committed by Israel, albeit in the context of responding to the constant threat of terrorism.

But to pretend, as the UN does, year after year, that Israel is the world's worst human rights violator, is not only sheer nonsense, it is anti-Semitism. And it is the UN's stock in trade.


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LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!!!!!!!!
HAHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAAAAAAAAAAAHAHHAHAHHA!!!!!!
This article is such bullshit....."anti-semitism" my ass
Im sick of that stupid word.. its all i hear from Isreali-supporters...."anti-semitism...BOO HOOOO"
Israel deserves this treatment from the UN


Posted by Izzy on Feb-11-2003 23:15:

Re: Re: UN is guilty of anti-Semitism

quote:
Originally posted by Cyrus King
Israel deserves this treatment from the UN




quote:

...the recent farcical election of totalitarian Libya to head the UN Commission on Human Rights, nor the bizarre appointment of Iraq, for gawd's sake, to co-chair a major UN forum on disarmament...

i pointed this out a while back as well, one has to admit this is kinda absurd.


Posted by malek on Feb-12-2003 01:10:

this article is a plain fraud. Every item that biased author bring in is very very debatable or completly wrong.

To name a few: Libya got appointed because of alphabetical order turns. Syria is on the UN security counsil because it got voted to be there... Israel will never be because no country in its region (all arabic and some african countries) will ever support its candidacy, I bet the author forgot to say that.

And the author on top of that likes to freely associate arabs, muslims and dictatorship.

People tend to see the UN as a single entity. The UN is made of its member (thats the whole point!!), some members are bad, some others are good, everyone has its own view on things and thats why things don't "work" toward the American agenda... if it was that way, what would be the point to the UN??!??! gimme a fucking break people!

Anyways, there's tooo many things wrongs in this article, its hopeless. You get the idea of the whole article in the first sentence. The rest is written to support that single sentence.


Posted by melech_mike on Feb-12-2003 01:44:

quote:
And the author on top of that likes to freely associate arabs, muslims and dictatorship.


why dont your go research all the dictatorships of todays world, and than come tell me the author was not justified in associating the three together!

quote:
Anyways, there's tooo many things wrongs in this article, its hopeless. You get the idea of the whole article in the first sentence. The rest is written to support that single sentence.


Thats the whole point of the article! Its to point out that "Of all the shame the United Nations has brought down upon itself in recent decades, none matches its ongoing, obsessive, relentless and vicious attacks on the state of Israel."


Posted by melech_mike on Feb-12-2003 01:47:

quote:
this article is a plain fraud. Every item that biased author bring in is very very debatable or completly wrong.


there are many more points that the author has brought up that you havent addressed... If this article is completely fraud, please disprove all the other points the author has made!


Posted by malek on Feb-12-2003 03:47:

i'll rephrase myself, that first sentence is pure propaganda, and the rest is to support it. I would be stupid to start commenting every point that bozo made, I would end up playing his game and your game!


Posted by occrider on Feb-12-2003 04:10:

Anti-Semetism is a bit extreme. But I will concede that the UN is not exactly the most impartial organization. And perhaps Israel is being unfairly singled out. But is it that really so hard for people to accept? I find it odd that people shed tears over a dictatorship like Iraq yet when it comes to Israel everybody starts sharpening their knives. It makes me think that perhaps there's more than the UN that's not impartial ...


Posted by oDrori on Feb-12-2003 16:27:

Re: Re: UN is guilty of anti-Semitism

quote:
Originally posted by ahlamalek
i'll rephrase myself, that first sentence is pure propaganda, and the rest is to support it. I would be stupid to start commenting every point that bozo made, I would end up playing his game and your game!

OK everyone, who's up for a game of democracy and debate?

Sorry for being cinical but, I really don't understand how would you play into OUR hands by disproving his claims... I doubt he wrote the article for you to waste time reading and writing about it.

quote:
Originally posted by Cyrus King
_________________________________________________________________


LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!!!!!!!!
HAHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAAAAAAAAAAAHAHHAHAHHA!!!!!!
This article is such bullshit....."anti-semitism" my ass
Im sick of that stupid word.. its all i hear from Isreali-supporters...."anti-semitism...BOO HOOOO"
Israel deserves this treatment from the UN

Incredibly intelligent post there mate You can do better.


Posted by Blik on Feb-12-2003 17:51:

Israel will never be in the Security Council because it doesn't obey to a lot of UN treaty's (spelling...)


Posted by Az on Feb-12-2003 18:14:

quote:
Originally posted by Blik
Israel will never be in the Security Council because it doesn't obey to a lot of UN treaty's (spelling...)

not like it's ever needed to.....


Posted by DrUg_Tit0 on Feb-12-2003 18:14:

LOL, didn't know that about Lybia and Iraq. Well, I'll agree that in the UN some things aren't working as they should and that it should go through a reform of some sort, but still, I calling it anti-semitic organization is a bit too harsh.


Posted by TranceGiant on Feb-12-2003 18:52:

quote:
Originally posted by Blik
Israel will never be in the Security Council because it doesn't obey to a lot of UN treaty's (spelling...)


If you'd actually READ those treaties u wouldn't have made such a remark. Go on and read 224 for example: You'll clearly see how it requires actions from BOTH sides. Yes it tells Israel to leave "territories occupied in the recent war (1967) but also underlines that this can only be the case, when peace and security between Israel and the Arabs is achieved. That has certainly not been the case yet.

Suppose the UN would pass a resolution which called for China's withdrawal from Tibet, or for an independent Kurdistan in Anatolia. Would they obey? Whould some1 give a fuck?


Posted by Blik on Feb-12-2003 19:16:

quote:
Originally posted by TranceGiant
If you'd actually READ those treaties u wouldn't have made such a remark. Go on and read 224 for example: You'll clearly see how it requires actions from BOTH sides. Yes it tells Israel to leave "territories occupied in the recent war (1967) but also underlines that this can only be the case, when peace and security between Israel and the Arabs is achieved. That has certainly not been the case yet.


but when Iraq ignores one treaty they should be bombed

notice the double standard...?


Posted by TranceGiant on Feb-12-2003 19:21:

god damn it! Didn't you understand what I tried to point out? I said that BOTH parties had to act in a certain way in order to "obey" to the resolution. Israel cannot be blamed alone!
In Iraq's case it's simple: No other party whatsoever is involved, it' just what Iraq itself has to do.

But the UN and Israel is a too messy issue, after the "racism" conference in South Africa 2 years ago I simply don't care bout them anymore. Do you know what mobbing is? Remember that little guy with glasses and claculator in his pockets who was kicked and puhsed by the entire class? Well as you see even in international politics such beahvior exists.


Posted by LiquidX on Feb-12-2003 21:09:

Well, the UN has to be composed with leaders with different opinions, so such views can be then explained or exposed to the others. If everything was like ISRAEL and USA want it to be, without looking at the other side of the coin.. there wouldnt be a point nor balance in power. Anit Sementism is too strong of a world.
Im wondering, if the US does not give any aids ( the 14 billions it gives to Israel) .. would the israelies still be on the US side ? ? .... just a question as to where one stands, and looks at the different situations .


Posted by Matt on Feb-12-2003 23:10:

you can never take the Toronto Sun seriously. its pretty much a tabloid more than a newspaper


Posted by malek on Feb-12-2003 23:30:

yes its part of Asper's family proprieties... the biggest zionist in Canada... obliging his newspaper to devote one editorial per week to be pro-israel... yes free media my ass.


Posted by occrider on Feb-12-2003 23:57:

quote:
Originally posted by ahlamalek
yes its part of Asper's family proprieties... the biggest zionist in Canada... obliging his newspaper to devote one editorial per week to be pro-israel... yes free media my ass.


When it comes to the middle east I'm not pro-Israel or pro-anything for that matter but how about this ... instead of critisizing the newspaper and calling it a zionist propoganda tool why don't you prove your claims by showing us how the article is false or misleading ... and please provide sources.


Posted by Yoepus on Feb-13-2003 00:05:

quote:
Originally posted by TranceGiant
Go on and read 224 for example: You'll clearly see how it requires actions from BOTH sides.


Thats 242 buddy ;-) Just pointing it out incase someone actually wants to go read the thing (I've done many a times), though I somehow doubt this lot would want to...

But Israel has not violated many UN security council resolutions, particularly because US holds VETO power on the security council and makes sure they never ask for something completely unexceptable to Israel like "take a gun and go kill yourself" as the general assembly seems to do sometimes.


Posted by malek on Feb-13-2003 01:39:

quote:
Originally posted by occrider
When it comes to the middle east I'm not pro-Israel or pro-anything for that matter but how about this ... instead of critisizing the newspaper and calling it a zionist propoganda tool why don't you prove your claims by showing us how the article is false or misleading ... and please provide sources.


that's old news, it was one of the sub-debate when the asper owned company wanted to have one common editorial per week (then later 3) in all its newspaper all over canada... this created a huge turmoil in Canada.


Posted by melech_mike on Feb-13-2003 01:45:

I aswell would like you to show me how this article is falsified.
Please and thank you.


quote:
that's old news, it was one of the sub-debate when the asper owned company wanted to have one common editorial per week (then later 3) in all its newspaper all over canada... this created a huge turmoil in Canada.


I wasn't aware of that. i did know that it was owned by the Asper family, but didn't know it created huge turmoil throughout Canada. Please show me what turmoil it caused. I'm surprised i'm not aware of this.


Posted by occrider on Feb-13-2003 02:08:

quote:
Originally posted by ahlamalek
that's old news, it was one of the sub-debate when the asper owned company wanted to have one common editorial per week (then later 3) in all its newspaper all over canada... this created a huge turmoil in Canada.


Well it's old news to you maybe because you live there ... but it's not to the people on this forum whom you are trying to convince. So please enlighten us as to how this article is fake and what are the sources that back your point up? Right now we have the statements made by the Toronto Sun vs. your statements. No offense but since you haven't really given any backing to your arguments, at this point in time I'm more inclined to believe the Toronto Sun.


Posted by malek on Feb-13-2003 09:39:

i'm not trying to convince anyone. And I'm tired of doing the Googling for you guys... you too can do it! try alltheweb.com too!

Type: Asper, editorial, Gazette

look around you'll find it.


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