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I need to convince my dad to upgrade our internet. Right now we have Rogers High Speed (or should I say low speed ) Cable. Well it's networked to 4 computers which basically makes it incredibly slow. I need to convince my dad to get a faster connection but I'm not sure what kind of connection to go for. One that can be networked and won't cost a fortune. Any ideas?

hummm i can not tell you who to get, but not who to get, Sympatico they are soooo bad, and they charge you 7.95 if you download more theren there limit, i pay like 50 dollars a month, and i get only 10 gigs both way.

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Originally posted by trance_n_dance I need to convince my dad to upgrade our internet. Right now we have Rogers High Speed (or should I say low speed ) Cable. Well it's networked to 4 computers which basically makes it incredibly slow. I need to convince my dad to get a faster connection but I'm not sure what kind of connection to go for. One that can be networked and won't cost a fortune. Any ideas?

so whats the problem then man? it doesn't really matter if there hooked up to 4 computers because basically a hub or port just redirects the connection. the only difference you see is when you download stuff. if 4 people download stuff at the same time, i agree its very slow. is there ever a situation where it happen where 4 computers are downloading at once? if so then you need a new connection...

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Originally posted by bluE_Neon so whats the problem then man? it doesn't really matter if there hooked up to 4 computers because basically a hub or port just redirects the connection. the only difference you see is when you download stuff. if 4 people download stuff at the same time, i agree its very slow. is there ever a situation where it happen where 4 computers are downloading at once? if so then you need a new connection...

Me and my bro are download whores . My bro is downloading movies off of iMesh 24/7 and I think that the other computer is being used for downloading constantly. I download lots of music here and web pages load slowely, when I download a movie trailer here it takes like 10 minutes but on my DSL at my moms it takes me like a minute or less, I download almost all of my stuff at my moms because my DSL connection is only on my computer so I download like 2 gigs of stuff a day .

well then since both of you guys are hardcore download junkies the best solution is to be a ddsl, sdsl or xdsl..xdsl is a lot faster but faster = more $$$, ultimately for you only i would suggest a T1 lol but i dont think you can afford it...

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Originally posted by bluE_Neon well then since both of you guys are hardcore download junkies the best solution is to be a ddsl, sdsl or xdsl..xdsl is a lot faster but faster = more $$$, ultimately for you only i would suggest a T1 lol but i dont think you can afford it...

My dad makes mad cash but he's careful with it and I'm not sure if he'd be up for a T1 line, not sure how easy it would be to network it too. Any websites for DDSL, SDSL or XDSL? I need some prices and names to show my dad and maybe he'll consider it, also need info on wether I can network the connection to 4 computers and if it's easy/expensive, thanks for the info so far

Hehehe, you can network any connection to any number of computers, as long as you have a router on the main computer (the one that the connection is hooked up on) and network adapters/network cards on all the others...

And the only reason why that download is slow for you is because your bro/other computers are hogging all the bandwidth... if you were downloading less, there would actually be more bandwidth and you would see pages load faster, but hey...

And regarding SDSL/XDSL I think www.dsl.ca has some interesting offers... and you might as well call up Rogers and ask them if they offer T1 or partial T1 line, because they did offer it a while ago when they were still called Rogers @Home...

I don't think a T1 is the way to go.. If all you need is more downstream bandwidth, you're probably better off with a high speed ADSL connection... Theoretically, cable is faster downstream than a T1...

In practice, they're about the same... A T1 is more constant obviously, but it's a max of 1.54 megabits per second.

A T1 is a great solution if you have upstream problems, but that's not the case here.

You should probably try Bell Sympatico (I know most people think it sucks, I do too, but it depends on your area, I know some people with it, where it's waaaaaaaaaaay faster than cable in the same area.)

If I were you, I'd try bell high-speed, and split that with 2 computers, then split the cable with the other 2 computers, that way you and your brother basically have your own connection.

If you wanted to be really fancy, you could put the 2 connections together in a multi-honed configuration, and share the 2 connections between all 4 computers, but for that you should use a decent router. (You can do it with a linux box, but it's a bit complicated to get working.)

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Originally posted by TranceNerd If you wanted to be really fancy, you could put the 2 connections together in a multi-honed configuration, and share the 2 connections between all 4 computers, but for that you should use a decent router. (You can do it with a linux box, but it's a bit complicated to get working.)

What does that do exactly?

yea, what he said...

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Originally posted by trance_n_dance What does that do exactly?

It balances the load between the 2 (or more) connections. So if no-ones downloading anything, and you decide to download a movie, it sends the request out on connection 1 (for example, the rogers connection).

Then your brother wants to download some more porn, so the router sees that connection 1 is pretty busy, and sends the request out on connection 2 (the bell connection).

Now the server sending you your movie is slow, and only sending at 10Kbps. Your brothers porn supplier is sending his file at 50Kbps. So now when your brother goes to download the latest Brittany spears album, the router would send that request out on the rogers connection, as it's currently doing less transfer.

Now his mp3's are coming in at 20Kbps. This means:

Connection 1 (rogers) is doing 30Kbps.
Connection 2 (bell) is doing 50Kbps.

Now you go to bring up CNN to see who's bombing who now, and the router again sends the request through the rogers connection. You start streaming the 'Live bombing video', which again goes through the rogers connection, and since no one else cares to watch it, you get it at 200Kbps.

Now your mom wants to check her stocks, so she goes to yahoo's stock page, and that request goes through Bell, as that's now the connection with the least traffic.

Get it?

THT.net has a 3mbit (that's megabit not megabyte) service for 69.99/month with no download/upload limit. The Highroller has it so his word is better than mine. I think it's about 3mbit download (roughly 364kb/sec) and 640kbit upload (80kb/sec). You probably won't find anything cheaper for that price

http://www.tht.net/n/internet_access/adsl_personal.htm

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Originally posted by Tudo Beleza hummm i can not tell you who to get, but not who to get, Sympatico they are soooo bad, and they charge you 7.95 if you download more theren there limit, i pay like 50 dollars a month, and i get only 10 gigs both way.

lol, and I pay over 82 for my ULTRA highspeed aka t1 line from them. But I got a 20GB a month cap which is actualy enough.

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Originally posted by E*Master lol, and I pay over 82 for my ULTRA highspeed aka t1 line from them. But I got a 20GB a month cap which is actualy enough.

Ultra highspeed, what a joke, 3 megabits compared to 1 megabit, with less than 20% of that much upstream, woohoo. Industry-standard cable modems are capable of 54 megabits, which is almost as fast as a T3, but they'll never offer that much, and why? Because the U.S. government is fucking stupid, that's why. If anyone out there has actually read the regulations on ISPs, you know what I'm talking about.

No offense meant to you at all E*Master, I'd pay for that too if I could afford it, but it's still a damn ripoff, and I'm tired and bored and pissed off at Sympatico. BTW UltraHighSpeed isn't a T1, it's just DSL with higher caps (T1's cost upwards of $1000/mo).

Which modem do you currently have
the shaw
the rca
the rogers
?

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Originally posted by trance_n_dance Me and my bro are download whores . My bro is downloading movies off of iMesh 24/7 and I think that the other computer is being used for downloading constantly. I download lots of music here and web pages load slowely, when I download a movie trailer here it takes like 10 minutes but on my DSL at my moms it takes me like a minute or less, I download almost all of my stuff at my moms because my DSL connection is only on my computer so I download like 2 gigs of stuff a day .

So there you go dude, you answered your own questioned. Because you and your bro are downloading all the time, you're using a lot of bandwith. And trust me when i say, anything higher than rogers is gonna cost you 70bucks and up. t1,t3, oc3 connections are way too expensive. Why hub four computers? two is more than enough. Its all about bandwith man.

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Originally posted by DigiNut Ultra highspeed, what a joke, 3 megabits compared to 1 megabit, with less than 20% of that much upstream, woohoo. Industry-standard cable modems are capable of 54 megabits, which is almost as fast as a T3, but they'll never offer that much, and why? Because the U.S. government is fucking stupid, that's why. If anyone out there has actually read the regulations on ISPs, you know what I'm talking about.

I heard that too, all you have to do is modify your modem a bit to get it working but Rogers would catch you eventually and theres probably a hefty fine for it and you'd get banned from their service.

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Originally posted by trance_n_dance I heard that too, all you have to do is modify your modem a bit to get it working but Rogers would catch you eventually and theres probably a hefty fine for it and you'd get banned from their service.

They won't ban you, since you are unable to modify your modem anymore.. you could do that with older modems and I know I did too, but since they figured that people are doing it they put a stop to it somehow, so you can't get that anymore.

Yeah, ok let me explain this for anyone who cares (I'm sure most don't but one or two people might):

Cable modems (DOCSIS, industry standard) have been capable of 36/10 Mbps up/down since 1998, since then the standard has been improved and they are capable of a lot more. The reason nobody ever sees that much is because (a) they WHORE the connection out and you share with 10 billion people, and (b) they CAP it so they can save a few bucks when there isn't any WHORING going on.

They used to actually modify the modems and cap them internally, but ever since online tutorials started getting published about how to uncap the modems, they started doing caps on the server instead of on the modems. There were some software patches to circumvent those too, but the cable companies caught on to those damn fast.

So sorry to disappoint, but if you want more bandwidth you'll have to pay the ripoff prices until the day when we actually see an educated politician in office (i.e. never).

Get a bigger allowance from daddy-big-bucks and get your own T1...


(I'm joking of course...)

One of you could think about being on Cable while the other is on DSL...
but for that price you might as well up your existing connection.

If they service your area, try Cogeco. Cable's a good way to go and I've never had downloading problems with Cogeco. I would not recommend Bell Sympatico's High Speed Edition.

A speed test link a friend of mine sent me:
Speed Test

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