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I've just got home from a gig...The sad thing aboutthis was i got kicked out from the booth at 1 AM!! I was supposed to have the whole night. Anyway, the thing was they told me my mixing was great but i was mixing wit htoo many breakdowns? Those people wanted me to use more progressive/techno stuffs and techniques. The guy told me i should mix continuously without any breakdowns in every track but more like a breakdown after 4 tunes or so.. Come off it! We play trance and it's all about the breakdowns! And i wasn't playing cheesy stuffs either. I've played at some of the very good clubs around and this place is the weirdest. Really was a sad night. Am I wrong here or are they? Any comments?

Re: Question to the Pros

Ouch, this is pretty sad... it must have sucked to have been kicked off, but don't worry about it too much. You must be able to accept good and bad things equally.

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Originally posted by Narcissus Anyway, the thing was they told me my mixing was great but i was mixing wit htoo many breakdowns? Those people wanted me to use more progressive/techno stuffs and techniques.

Maybe it was more of a prog/techno club?

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The guy told me i should mix continuously without any breakdowns in every track but more like a breakdown after 4 tunes or so..

Obviously he doesn't know what he is talking about.. must have been a prog/techno club.

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Come off it! We play trance and it's all about the breakdowns! And i wasn't playing cheesy stuffs either. I've played at some of the very good clubs around and this place is the weirdest.

Hmm..must have been a prog/techno club.

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Really was a sad night. Am I wrong here or are they? Any comments?

Neither of you were solely wrong - you were both wrong. I don't know the entire situation, so take my advice with a grain of salt. I'd say that part of your responsibilities as a DJ were to talk to the club owner/promoter and discuss what you were going to spin. If the conversation took place and amounted to, "I'm spinning trance" - "OK, sounds good" - then this wasn't good enough. You should have specified what kind of trance you spin.

BUT! The owner/promoter was equally at fault for not inquiring you about it, or saying that his club caters to such-and-such musical tastes (i.e. prog/techno).

In the end, I would say this "disaster" can be attributed to a lack of adequate communication between both parties: the owner/promoter and the DJ.

Better luck next time! Just make sure you go in there absolutely certain of your position. Hope this helps.

Jeez I can't even remember 4 tunes without a breakdown in them....

Don't worry man, just pay attention to were u'r playing next time & adjust your set accordingly!

If its a prog club and he told you to bring in a breakdown after every 4 tunes, then, with it being a prog club, you'd only get 1 breakdown every 40 minutes. Ouch

trancemasters....wat is a breakdown???

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Originally posted by twizta trancemasters....wat is a breakdown???

A song is like a story, a journey sensitized by waves of sounds trickling your mind, your soul.
With every journey comes an escalating progression toward a climax, this is the turning point whereby the truth, the whole, the heart of what the story is all about. [Breakdown] fits in here. After the breakdown of whatever sounds will most likely come to a minimal collection of effects, some songs have silent transmissions....this is the breakdown.

Comprehendo?

Fire999 [not a trancemaster but a trancelover]

i just dont think that club was suited to the style of music you play dude...

Kicked off.. damm thats bad ass shit...

start spinning @ clubs that actually aspire to let DJ's play trance...


How was the crowd reacting to trance??? if they were seeming ok or up to it.. then maybe it was his freken prob...

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Originally posted by bassaholix Kicked off.. damm thats bad ass shit... start spinning @ clubs that actually aspire to let DJ's play trance... How was the crowd reacting to trance??? if they were seeming ok or up to it.. then maybe it was his freken prob...

yeah that's what i wanted to ask, were ppl enjoying themselves, maybe it was a prog/tekno crowd too.

Well, the club normally plays techno. The owner is korean and he's one of the weirdest person i've ever met. Creepy and never speaks. I've discussed that i'd be playing trance. I've even played there couple weeks ago for an hour as an audition. The crowd...well to be honest there wasn't any crowd just a few people came and smoke some weed and left. Anyway, i'm not concerned about that too much anymore. I just don't understand why they'd ask me to have least breakdowns?! Listen to PvD set or armin set or tiesto or anyone minimum is one breakdown per tune! I wasn't really up for it anyway, haven't rally mixed for the whole week so i sort of didn't build the set up...too many similar tunes after tunes. I ain't giving up easily though..it's Far From Over!

kamaya painters - far from over








maybe he was genuinly upset with the crisis in korea and hence has boycotted all speech?

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Originally posted by Narcissus I just don't understand why they'd ask me to have least breakdowns?! Listen to PvD set or armin set or tiesto or anyone minimum is one breakdown per tune! I wasn't really up for it anyway, haven't rally mixed for the whole week so i sort of didn't build the set up...too many similar tunes after tunes. I ain't giving up easily though..it's Far From Over!

there's nothing wrong with your building up your set, but incorporate progressive house into your sets... you can't strictly have a whole night of trance... you're looking at PVD and Armin and comparing yourself to them, which you shouldn't... why? because every party they go to they have someone openning up for them, so when they do get to play their 2 or 3 hour set, they play strictly peak hour trance... what to openning and closing djs play? progressive house or trance... but PROGRESSIVE!!... you should start buying those records now too along with your trance...

and personally i'd say the owner was right... imagine yourself coming to a party at 11pm, and as soon as you come in you get hit with veracocha - carte blanche... and imagine yourself now at 6am where you're still being hit with the same tunes... get the point?

but its ok, you learn from your mistakes, so don't be too hard on yourself about this...

I started at about 11:40. The first tunes were
Conductor & Cowboy - Feeling this way (Solar stone mix)
Misja Helsloot - First Second
Bass Tarts - Summer in Space
Lange - Drifting Away (Sunset Dub)
Three Drives - Carrera 2
En Motion - Truth (Pulser mix)
in particular order.
The rest included
Darren Tate - Let the light shine in
Above & Beyond - Far From in Love
Accadia - Blind Visions
Boccacio Life - Secret Wish (Lange mix)
Trance De Tour - Wan Wu

I've played some bits of proggy stuffs in my set in my other gigs but people just kept saying they want things harder and i shouldn't bother with it. Only thing i don't understand here is just why do they want trance with no breakdown! Really shouldn't have bothered making flyers and promoting the night at all. Anyway, I've snapped out of this. Gotta move on.

TranceGeek, you brought up a very good point imo!!

It's so easy to be misled by listening to sets by DJ's like PVD or Armin, or even Tiesto who, like TranceGeek said, already had a warmup DJ before them and are thus liable to play peak trance.

Another great point - start buying different genres of records, if you plan on spinning live. This is also what TranceGeek said.

Because, if you plan to be a peak time DJ, it just won't work that way, you usually have to start as a warmup DJ, doing little sets etc, proving your worth and so on.

I'm not directing this to you directly, Narcissus, but to aspiring DJ's in general (me included ).

*nods*

yea, my first demo cd was mixed for an opening slot
i started off easy and then for the last half hour or so, built the energy up so that my set climaxed with the last track

but now i do cds that are for the "headliner" spots

ok here is my two cents....
as much as i love breakdowns, i think the average "clubber" goes to a club to hear good music and dance. see i dont mind going to a club and just listening to music but if i were dancing, i would get annoyed when every song breaks down and id have to just stand there awkwardly until it picks back up youknow? plus i only know a bit of liquid and id get tired of doing the same move for each song : P it would make myself feel really bad

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Originally posted by DjJade ok here is my two cents.... as much as i love breakdowns, i think the average "clubber" goes to a club to hear good music and dance. see i dont mind going to a club and just listening to music but if i were dancing, i would get annoyed when every song breaks down and id have to just stand there awkwardly until it picks back up youknow? plus i only know a bit of liquid and id get tired of doing the same move for each song : P it would make myself feel really bad

good point but it also depends on the crowd and you could also build your set and then give them a breakdown than they will go mad ;d

I guess it depends on the breakdowns.....if they are short, then it would be OK. If you play something like Meo's Sleepless.....omg, that is a long f*cking ass breakdown.

one of the things that been touched on in this thread is that noone knows how to play a warmup set anymore!!!

everyone want to play a peak-time set and get all the 'big tunes' out to seem like they are the best/most upfront etc. and try to out-do the other DJs. doesnt work like that.

im not going to go into a full-scale rant over this but its something that really pisses me off. i witness it far too often.

^^^ totally agree with you...

should we hijack this thread and make it into a rant about clueless dipshit dj's that have no respect for the headliners?

pls say yes...

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Originally posted by terminal one of the things that been touched on in this thread is that noone knows how to play a warmup set anymore!!! everyone want to play a peak-time set and get all the 'big tunes' out to seem like they are the best/most upfront etc. and try to out-do the other DJs. doesnt work like that. im not going to go into a full-scale rant over this but its something that really pisses me off. i witness it far too often.

then you failed to read my post where i stated that when i started out i made my demos for an opening slot
i still do crank out the odd opening slot cd
but now my cds are more for the prime slots
just letting the promoters know i can carry a set all the way through
cause they already know i can open

thats not right if you were suppose to have the whole night then you should have gotin the whole night who cares what he thought
just my $0.02

Hey im the master of the warm up set........
wanna some tracks id play?
Lemon 8 - newyork
Vince Watson - bubbles
dot alison - were only science(slam remix)
amber - anway(that kid chris remix)
quiver - twist and shout
aquaculute - dont play the game
josh gabriel - wave 3
HIGHROLLERZ - Highrollerz
hybrid - finished symphony
towards the in i may play some stuff that is a few months old yet still big but nothing brand new that the next dj may wanna spin.
Andy hunter - amazing(fade mix)
King Unique - two months off.
Filterheads - protection
yahel - you feel
armin van buren - yet another day
it depends on the club/ the night/ the next dj/
sometimes i spin breaks
sometimes trance
all depends a good dj can spin any music and read any crowd.. when i first started buying records i didnt know the genres sooo i got everything that sounded good from dnb to breaks to trance to house...what ever sounded good....then i forgot that for bout a year and just bought trance/prog but the past 8 or 9 months i just buy what sounds good and ya know what my sets are fucking awesome.. noone should limit themself to one genre my advice is buy what sounds good to you....and play what you feel like..not what may mix the best or what ever cuzz half the time the crowd doesnt give a shit how good you mix...have fun....more fun...and some more fun cuzz music is all about expression...of your self...

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Originally posted by DJ_Shockwav then you failed to read my post where i stated that when i started out i made my demos for an opening slot i still do crank out the odd opening slot cd but now my cds are more for the prime slots just letting the promoters know i can carry a set all the way through cause they already know i can open

I wasn't saying anything about you.
I was highlighting a general problem.

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