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Posted by Rakoon on Feb-16-2003 23:39:

10-Minute long tracks

How come every track has to be around 10 minutes long? For those of us who cant mix worth crap, and want to just put a bunch of full versions on a CD and call it a mix, its frustrating when you can only fit 6 tracks cause they are all 13 minutes long. Why cant they just make them shorter? Anything past 8 minutes for a trance track is too long, and anything over 9 minutes is too long for progressive. Who else is with me?

Posted by Eugene on Feb-16-2003 23:40:

I'm with you.

If it's so long, then it should be easier to mix into, because of a longer intro.
But if you're not a DJ, that sucks

Posted by capricorn15 on Feb-16-2003 23:41:

well, im not totally with you, i think like between 7-10 minutes is a good time for a trance track, but under 7 is too short, more than 10, for most of the time, is too long, although there are exceptions

Posted by netw3rkd on Feb-16-2003 23:45:

Haha Rakoon. 10 mins is easy to mix.

Posted by P`zazz on Feb-17-2003 00:05:

for me it's different, I might dj and I hate it when tracks are under 7 minutes cause then you have less time to perform your mix put what pisses me of the most is that I can't enjoy good tunes longer, eg:

Rollerball - Albinoni (super 8 mix) <-- whenever I listen to it I get shivers but every single time I get frustrated cause I don't understand why they had to make such a beautiful track only 6 minutes long, I mean considering that the intro and outro are aprox 1.5 minutes each that gives you only 3 minutes of the good part and I just want to bang my head on the wall

Posted by robstar on Feb-17-2003 00:06:

Some tracks has to be that long!

Ermmmmmm.....I forgot what I was gonna say...

Anyways, I think 10 minutes is just perfect!

Posted by evil_bastard on Feb-17-2003 00:08:

It might be easy to mix but for those of us without decks it can be irritating fitting less than 10 tracks on a CD and listening through intros and outros of every track.

Rakoon, you could just chop off the boring outros with musiCutter and then use a fadein and fadeout with nero? Wouldn't sound perfect but you would fit a few more tracks on every CD.

Posted by torontotrance on Feb-17-2003 00:09:

Deejays often use long building intros to start because they are normally setting the mixer exactly to their likes and getting a feel for the equipment. Most deejays use long intros to set a mood, like Steve Lawler, Danny Howells and others. I mean who cares how long the friggin intro is, if it works. If you don't like it, go see crap ass deejays who play a track every 3-4 minutes.

Posted by Sm0keMachine on Feb-17-2003 00:18:

Well, what I suggest you to do before you burn a cd is just edit the tracks in SoundForge and cut all the parts that you don't want to hear and there you go.. it will take about an hour or two to edit all the tracks but it's worth it!

Posted by shao on Feb-17-2003 00:44:

I like the intros to trance songs but the outtros i usually don't like. BTW, they've got radio edits if you like those... And also, it's really not hard to edit in Sound Forge/Cool Edit whatever. I mean, you said you can mix, but when the song is already beatmatched for you, you can do it, right??

Posted by TigerClaw on Feb-17-2003 01:06:

I think tracks should be around 10 minutes or more cause it gives the DJ more time to make the transitions between tracks, usually 10 minutes tracks starts with a beat solo which then builds up to the bassline then in a while, the melody.

Posted by P`zazz on Feb-17-2003 01:49:

Just use mixmeister. You load the mp3s in there, it mixes them for you (normal mixing or beatmatching), you can even edit the mixes yourself e.g. you can make the incoming track mix at a later stage and the outgoing track to mix at an earlier stage to avoid boring intros/outros. Then the prog exports the mix for you into wav format and in separate tracks if you want to, then all you have to do is burn it. You can easily fit 15-16 tracks on an 80min cd and it sounds mint

Posted by DDRDrew2 on Feb-17-2003 01:50:

yeah .. 10 min songs are good for mixing but for listening i think 5-8 mins are good.

i hate it when songs are so good but too short

Posted by Neo nEro on Feb-17-2003 01:58:

quote:
Originally posted by Trance man
Well, what I suggest you to do before you burn a cd is just edit the tracks in SoundForge and cut all the parts that you don't want to hear and there you go.. it will take about an hour or two to edit all the tracks but it's worth it!

Ya do that or get a radio edit if there is one for the track. Most songs wont have them though.

I actually perfer that they are longer because then the song has time to build up, instead of just taking the best part.

Posted by TigerClaw on Feb-17-2003 02:12:

True, the longer the track, The better the buildup will be, the problem with Radio Edits, Is that the buildup on those are too quick and that kills the track, Some tracks were not meant to have Radio Edits.

Posted by Rakoon on Feb-17-2003 02:26:

Hmmm... I guess I will try the Mixmeister thing, cause if I cut up the tracks myself in like Soundforge then its not the "true" track anymore.

And you guys do have a point, long tracks are necessary for proper DJ ing.

Posted by Cyberwoo on Feb-17-2003 02:27:

If a track is good it shouldn't matter how long it is. However there are quite a few mediocre tracks that are far too long and repetitive. I guess I'm saying I dont have a problem with lengthy tunes so long as they are enjoyable from beginning to end.

Posted by whiskers on Feb-17-2003 02:31:

1. as everyone already said, there are radio edits
2. 10-minute tracks rule, if a track is <6 mins i subconsciously suspect it to be a half-assed production

radio edits just suck, i noticed. i mean, they're just shorter versions of the tunes, but why do they sound so horribly cheesy? because there's no buildup. to fully appreciate dessert, you've gotta wait for it.

Posted by Rakoon on Feb-17-2003 02:32:

Well I have nothing against long tracks. Its just that when it comes to putting them on a CD, and youre not a DJ, then its a problem. And youre right, radio edits are junk.

Posted by DJ Freestyle on Feb-17-2003 02:36:

I hate it when there's 2 breakdowns in a track that are almost the same...

Posted by drewfactor on Feb-17-2003 03:45:

I love long tracks, they seem to suck you in. Nice long builds...I agree with the person that said no less than 6 minutes

Posted by Nrg2Nfinit on Feb-17-2003 06:37:

quote:
Originally posted by torontotrance
if it works. If you don't like it, go see crap ass deejays who play a track every 3-4 minutes.

ehem.. its called fast mixing..

and it is quite challenging to do since you need to be right on cue in and out..

its always easier to mix at the end of a track anyway.....

you should look for radio edits racoon.. if their available

if your making a pre mix with your cd simply mix after the first buildup if there are more than one.. but if its more progressive you may be out of luck.. unless your good at layering tracks.. but hence hte fact you arent a dj i doubt it..

just listen to eurodance from now on lol