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Blame the U.S. government for the RAVE Act, NOT the druggies

(This post was originally a reply to DJ Slain's senseless claim that the RAVE Act is the druggies fault, which was locked for some reason)

Ignorance is bliss. Drugs are an essential part of this culture, just as they were in the jazz scene when it started out, and just as they were in many avant-garde movements of the past that are now part of art history.

How can you say that the RAVE Act is the druggies fault? I invite you to come to Europe, so you can experience what real clubbing is like. After living all my life in America I always felt repressed in the clubs over there. In clubs in NYC i have been stripped down by bouncers, and i didn't even have a cigarrette on me. Security is repressive and won't leave people alone. In fact, security in a club was probably responsible for the death of 21 people in Chicago last weekend. Just because they were STUPID.

Clubs in great cities like Boston have to close at the ridiculous time of 2am. Talk about Puritan roots . Not to mention that alcohol traditionally makes people more violent, something that is very evident in US clubs.

Here in Europe I don't see any RAVE Acts going around. Why's that? Just because Europe right now has better governments that are not abusive and legislate pragmatically in favor of the people. Last weekend I went to Trance Energy and was surrounded by thousands of people doing E while I only drank. Did they bother me or anyone else at the party? Not at all, in fact, their energy gave the party great vibes even if the music wasn't that great.

Say all you want. I'm an American citizen and not anti-American at all. But Europe owns America in terms of social policy, that's a fact. The RAVE Act cannot be blamed on drugs, it can only be blamed on the senseless War on Drugs and the repressive nature of the current U.S. government. Eradicate drugs and dance culture will die, but of course that will never ever happen because drugs are to trance what ketchup is to french fries: not necessary at all, but most people will prefer the combination. Here in Holland I feel truly free for the first time in my life, I love this country and this continent .

I completely agree, nice job.

Some people can't help where they are born haha.
Oops. Let me say "all people."

Did you meet Merel & Roos @ Trance Energy?? I heard the lineup was not so good this year.....

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Originally posted by DaveSaenz Some people can't help where they are born haha. Oops. Let me say "all people." Did you meet Merel & Roos @ Trance Energy?? I heard the lineup was not so good this year.....

lol. well Merel didn't go because she was sick or something and I didn't see Roos. Maybe tomorrow at Tiesto@Panama

Hehe. Ok have fun. ARe you at university there or just taking a long vacation???

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Originally posted by DaveSaenz Hehe. Ok have fun. ARe you at university there or just taking a long vacation???

You could say that I'm doing both

Right On!!
And don't forget extacy used to be legal in the Us. It was used as an antidepressant untill 84 I think.
I cant beleive the ammount of money spent on drug enforcement for light drugs like pot and x.
I also heard the FDA might make ephederen illegal.

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Originally posted by JohnSmith I completely agree, nice job.

me too, maybe some people mind warped by the US propaganda train will get a clue

but i beg to differ... isn't it because the NOOBIE and uninformed users of drugs, fuck up like taking too much water with XTC which is what kills you... stoopid fools don't research no wonder they OD...

Aren't they the people who we should be telling off... if it wasn't cause of them overdosing, then we wouldn't be having this prob.. the govt only stepped in cause it saw a problem.. why because of the IGNORANT newbie's overdosing!!

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Originally posted by bassaholix but i beg to differ... isn't it because the NOOBIE and uninformed users of drugs, fuck up like taking too much water with XTC which is what kills you... stoopid fools don't research no wonder they OD... Aren't they the people who we should be telling off... if it wasn't cause of them overdosing, then we wouldn't be having this prob.. the govt only stepped in cause it saw a problem.. why because of the IGNORANT newbie's overdosing!!

What about the millions of people that have died of ODing on alcohol? Should the government ban alcohol too? Or close down the establishments that sell alcohol? The U.S. did that once, and it didn't work.

Abuse can happen with just about anything, the RAVE Act is all about the War on Drugs.

Pio for president

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Originally posted by DJ P�O Here in Europe I don't see any RAVE Acts going around. Why's that? Just because Europe right now has better governments that are not abusive and legislate pragmatically in favor of the people. Last weekend I went to Trance Energy and was surrounded by thousands of people doing E while I only drank. Did they bother me or anyone else at the party? Not at all, in fact, their energy gave the party great vibes even if the music wasn't that great. Say all you want. I'm an American citizen and not anti-American at all. But Europe owns America in terms of social policy, that's a fact. The RAVE Act cannot be blamed on drugs, it can only be blamed on the senseless War on Drugs and the repressive nature of the current U.S. government. Eradicate drugs and dance culture will die, but of course that will never ever happen because drugs are to trance what ketchup is to french fries: not necessary at all, but most people will prefer the combination. Here in Holland I feel truly free for the first time in my life, I love this country and this continent .

go beat a bush, you obviously don't know what you're talking about

clubs get shut down regurlaly around the world because of drug issues.

speaking of rave act, for example france passed one in 2000 that states that any electronic music gathering shall possibly be called a rave and that the owners of the equipments being used for such events are direcly suable. party in your back yard can get you *shut down* and your equipment seized.

great. not only do i have to put up with alchoholics yellin in the street, but now i have to put up with people on ecstasy too?

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Originally posted by jdat go beat a bush, you obviously don't know what you're talking about clubs get shut down regurlaly around the world because of drug issues. speaking of rave act, for example france passed one in 2000 that states that any electronic music gathering shall possibly be called a rave and that the owners of the equipments being used for such events are direcly suable. party in your back yard can get you *shut down* and your equipment seized.

Too bad for France. I'm criticizing the RAVE Act for what it stands for, the stupid War on Drugs. Of course clubs around the world get shut down for drugs, that's not unheard of or anything new. Having moved from the U.S. to Holland, i've noticed the obvious. You should know that drug policy here is nowhere near the repressive nature of the policy in the most influential country in the world, the US.

Anyways, I do know that France is one of the less liberal European countries when it comes to drugs, so I apolgize if you felt i was generalizing.

Since you put down my thoughts like that I assume that you favor the RAVE Act, right?

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Originally posted by DJ P�O Too bad for France. I'm criticizing the RAVE Act for what it stands for, the stupid War on Drugs. Of course clubs around the world get shut down for drugs, that's not unheard of or anything new. Having moved from the U.S. to Holland, i've noticed the obvious. You should know that drug policy here is nowhere near the repressive nature of the policy in the most influential country in the world, the US. Anyways, I do know that France is one of the less liberal European countries when it comes to drugs, so I apolgize if you felt i was generalizing. Since you put down my thoughts like that I assume that you favor the RAVE Act, right?

hehe I didn't mean to sound as attacking as it looked like it


Right now I'm in the USA, and .... I've seen the best and worst security here ....

do I support a rave act ...... yes and no ..... I mean is it gonna change anything ?


and btw in recent years most governments in europe have been working on banning, or limiting raves or the so called amplified electronic music movement. .... . they're cracking down everywhere

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Originally posted by djSlain great. not only do i have to put up with alchoholics yellin in the street, but now i have to put up with people on ecstasy too?

People on ecstasy won't mess with you (not in a bad way ), as opposed to alcoholics that can be extremely violent.

I was gonna ask how old you are since it appears that you've never been to a real trance party, but then I saw that you go to Stanford maybe? The people I know from Stanford are very open-minded and always stand up for liberty and its just causes. I think you're misrepresenting them on this one pal.

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Originally posted by jdat hehe I didn't mean to sound as attacking as it looked like it Right now I'm in the USA, and .... I've seen the best and worst security here .... do I support a rave act ...... yes and no ..... I mean is it gonna change anything ? and btw in recent years most governments in europe have been working on banning, or limiting raves or the so called amplified electronic music movement. .... . they're cracking down everywhere

The RAVE Act will just serve as an excuse to close down more clubs. Why support that?

Well, as I said my experience is with Holland, and I've been amazed with how tolerant and pragmatic society is in general. I know that clubs in the UK have also been shut down. Does that make the RAVE Act right, I don't think so.

I've been to Akron, I have a couple of friends that studied music in the university there. Nice lil' town.

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Originally posted by DJ P�O The RAVE Act will just serve as an excuse to close down more clubs. Why support that? Well, as I said my experience is with Holland, and I've been amazed with how tolerant and pragmatic society is in general. I know that clubs in the UK have also been shut down. Does that make the RAVE Act right, I don't think so. I've been to Akron, I have a couple of friends that studied music in the university there. Nice lil' town.

I think if clubs don't start seriously working with authorities then they're gonna get shut down no matter what




and no akron ain't a nice lil town .... it sucks ( can't you feel how much my words are saying : I WANNA MOVE OUTTA HERE )

I think it's pretty obvious Slain doesn't know what the hell he's talking about and has had no experience with the matter

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Originally posted by jdat and no akron ain't a nice lil town .... it sucks ( can't you feel how much my words are saying : I WANNA MOVE OUTTA HERE )

LOL i was just being nice. I was wondering why would someone move from France to Akron, Ohio. j/k Whatever, you can make fun of me as well, I used to live in New Haven, CT

Unfortunatley, Holland isn't the best example to base something off for America.
They have a much smaller, contained, Homogenous population than the US, which makes everything VERY different.

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Originally posted by DJ P�O Clubs in great cities like Boston have to close at the ridiculous time of 2am. Talk about Puritan roots . Not to mention that alcohol traditionally makes people more violent, something that is very evident in US clubs.

there used to be times in Germany when there was an hour at which every club/ bar/ pub needed to be closed. Our good short friend with the interesting moustache was responsible for that.

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Here in Europe I don't see any RAVE Acts going around. Why's that?

Because european governments do not believe that all their citizens are stupid? Because european governments have found other ways to deal with the real problem, which is people DRIVING under the influence (if u end up going to Nature One, you will notice the police controls at the exit. Make sure your driver is not rolling, or he can say bye bye to his license)

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Originally posted by beema I think it's pretty obvious Slain doesn't know what the hell he's talking about and has had no experience with the matter

hello! it's my scene that's being attacked because of people who want to "have a good time" by smoking this, swallowing that, snortin this and injecting that. I don't do drugs, yet i have to give up my right to club and rave because of them?

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Originally posted by beema Pio for president

I second the motion.....

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Originally posted by jdat go beat a bush, you obviously don't know what you're talking about clubs get shut down regurlaly around the world because of drug issues. speaking of rave act, for example france passed one in 2000 that states that any electronic music gathering shall possibly be called a rave and that the owners of the equipments being used for such events are direcly suable. party in your back yard can get you *shut down* and your equipment seized.

News to me......
Thanx for the info....

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