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Posted by aries on Feb-19-2003 23:46:

Anyone Hear Interested In Producing Music?

Just wondering...I have wanted to do it for years, and I've never really taken the steps to learn/start doing it. I'm interested in Trance, but I'd also be open to Techno too.

As for the Equipment I have: 2 Technics 1200 MK2's, American DJ XDM 2221 Mixer, Stanton 680 Stylus and Headshells and one Ghetto Ass Amp.
On my desktop computer I have Soundforge.

I have no clue as to whats needed.

Anyways if anyone is interested in forming a production grou (i.e. Aries + or vice versa) and has equipment or software to do it with gimme a shout at my email and lemme know.

[email protected]


Posted by Elmo-On-XTC on Feb-20-2003 00:47:

I am beginning with producing, but I'm kinda a sample whore so that doesn't REALLY count. I want to learn but it's hard to find good tutorials on making trance melodies etc without having background knowledge in fruityloops or reason.
first of all you need equipment. Doesn't have to be hardware. James Holden for example uses a free software synth program called Buzz. Other programs are Fruityloops (which i'm starting to understand now), Reason, Cubase, Orion...etc
Background music influences help a lot (which is where I lack). Piano particularly because you're dealing with a piano roll of notes.
From what I've heard from other producers, hardware synths aren't necessarily better but they've noticed that creativity level soars when going from software to hardware. I'm too poor to afford them tho haha anyways...
There seems to be a lot of TOTAs interessted in producing lately (Mosaic, Sooper, HanSolo, Myself)...maybe we can work on a track together (MAYBE A TRANCEADDICT ANTHEM! WOOOO )
I have one of my better sample whore productions almost complete but i kinda gave up on it, msg me if you wanna hear it.

Btw, my producing name is Energia


Posted by Matt on Feb-20-2003 01:27:

quote:
Originally posted by Elmo-On-XTC
I am beginning with producing, but I'm kinda a sample whore so that doesn't REALLY count. I want to learn but it's hard to find good tutorials on making trance melodies etc without having background knowledge in fruityloops or reason.
first of all you need equipment. Doesn't have to be hardware. James Holden for example uses a free software synth program called Buzz. Other programs are Fruityloops (which i'm starting to understand now), Reason, Cubase, Orion...etc
Background music influences help a lot (which is where I lack). Piano particularly because you're dealing with a piano roll of notes.
From what I've heard from other producers, hardware synths aren't necessarily better but they've noticed that creativity level soars when going from software to hardware. I'm too poor to afford them tho haha anyways...
There seems to be a lot of TOTAs interessted in producing lately (Mosaic, Sooper, HanSolo, Myself)...maybe we can work on a track together (MAYBE A TRANCEADDICT ANTHEM! WOOOO )
I have one of my better sample whore productions almost complete but i kinda gave up on it, msg me if you wanna hear it.

Btw, my producing name is Energia



whoooo!!! LeMay vs. Energia


Posted by Crazy Serb on Feb-20-2003 04:37:

You don't need much to start producing... all you need is creativity (the most important part), some background knowledge of music theory, and some solid software (or if you can afford it, solid hardware)...

I've been using Fruityloops for the last year or so, just playing with it and fuckin' around, learning my way into the whole concept... now I find that it's not powerfull enough for what I am trying to create, so I moved onto Reason & Live combo, plus I'm using a bunch of other software/plugins to create all kinds of effects (Absynth, Kontact, etc)

But to be honest with you, I've heard some amazing stuff created in Fruityloops alone... so if you know what you're doing, and have some creativity/originality and determination, you can come up with a kick-ass song.


Posted by DigiNut on Feb-20-2003 04:49:

Well, I've been an instrumentalist for 13 years and I learned to "track" the cold, hard, un-lubed old school way (original MIDI FM synthesis, FastTracker, Impulse Tracker). Laugh all you want, but that was the true blue composition software where you had to do everything yourself, the software didn't do much of the work for you. I've also got a Yamaha W5, it's a hardware sequencer, about 5 years old but does still play... and yeah I've played around with fruityloops and cubase and all that, it's all good.

But yeah, point being, if you want to produce then just make music. You don't need expensive equipment, but high-quality samples and versatile synths do help you "audiolize" (is there a word for that related to visualize?) things better, they just make it easier to experiment. I wish I had the kind of equipment you do, man.

But hey I'd love to hook up if you guys are forming a production group. Hope there wouldn't be too much creative clashing though.


Posted by King_Mack on Feb-20-2003 07:56:

Rasta

Id LOVE to start producing..but i dunno where to start? I got a couple cool ideas for tracks, but i need help starting up or at least some direction. Ever since ive gotten down to trance way back when..my dream is to produce. Just for fun....


Posted by jon jon on Feb-20-2003 09:57:

I haven't been a picky bastard for some time now...but this has to be done...

...the word is "here" not "hear". Cheers bruv.


Posted by sooper on Feb-20-2003 15:23:

HanSolo & I have come a long way with our producing, and we've done almost all of it in Reason - if you really take the time to learn this software, you can do just about anything. I'm getting my hands on Cubase, because one of the few drawbacks to Reason is mixing levels and sound separation. But it comes with an ENORMOUS sound bank, and the flexibilty to create your own unique sounds. There is a production forum here at TA.com, that has lots of great advice about Reason and other software studios, and how to fully take advantage of what they have to offer. If anyone out there is a PRO at creating solid buildups and drumfills, lemme know, and maybe we can combine our production efforts.


Posted by DigiNut on Feb-20-2003 15:26:

Big Ears Here me out...

quote:
Originally posted by halo20
I haven't been a picky bastard for some time now...but this has to be done...

...the word is "here" not "hear". Cheers bruv.


Hmm actually they're both words, what we're talking about hear is a context issue.

(in case you really do think I'm a moron, those mistakes were intentional. I'm just being a picky bastard. )


Posted by Cyrus King on Feb-20-2003 21:17:

Hey guys

Ive always had these cool melodies in my head that i know would be amazing if made into a song.

This summer im opening up my own "production company" where i will produce my own short, feature films... ontop of that, i want to create music in this company as well.. Its not anything big.. im just registering a name.. and with time will invest more in film and music equipment.


I am definately interested in producing trance songs.


Posted by rabbitjoker on Feb-21-2003 03:05:

Re: Anyone Hear Interested In Producing Music?

quote:
Originally posted by aries
Just wondering...I have wanted to do it for years, and I've never really taken the steps to learn/start doing it. I'm interested in Trance, but I'd also be open to Techno too.

As for the Equipment I have: 2 Technics 1200 MK2's, American DJ XDM 2221 Mixer, Stanton 680 Stylus and Headshells and one Ghetto Ass Amp.
On my desktop computer I have Soundforge.

I have no clue as to whats needed.


It's weird how the techno/dance/rap scene calls "producing" creating the music [composing] whereas the traditional music industry calls it composing [producing is supervising, as in the movies].

My brother is an engineer for Sony Music and here is what he suggests
(based on his professional use [mostly non-techno]:

Software: Cubase or ProTools or Logic (ProTools has a light version that won't cost too much - Cubase is affordable - and Logic is too). He also states that most production is done on Macs, or ProTools rigs (which are big expensive hardware protools setups).

Hardware: Mixer, Sampler, Midi-keyboard

Sample CDs: You can buy instrument CDs with whole setups for your midi-keyboard and then float in samples.

That should do it for a basic rig. Let me know if you want me to ask him other questions.

With this basic setup, a


Posted by rabbitjoker on Feb-21-2003 03:08:

quote:
Originally posted by DigiNut
Well, I've been an instrumentalist for 13 years and I learned to "track" the cold, hard, un-lubed old school way (original MIDI FM synthesis, FastTracker, Impulse Tracker). Laugh all you want, but that was the true blue composition software where you had to do everything yourself, the software didn't do much of the work for you. I've also got a Yamaha W5, it's a hardware sequencer, about 5 years old but does still play... and yeah I've played around with fruityloops and cubase and all that, it's all good.


Yeah! I remember the old S3M and XM file-type days when you had to program every friggin instrument and note in the damn tracking software (old DOS based shit). Those were the days..


Posted by SAGE2635 on Feb-21-2003 03:33:

if any of you are interested in sample cds (or got some) let me know. I have a few good ones


Posted by quddha on Feb-21-2003 09:27:

quote:
Originally posted by DigiNut
Well, I've been an instrumentalist for 13 years and I learned to "track" the cold, hard, un-lubed old school way (original MIDI FM synthesis, FastTracker, Impulse Tracker). Laugh all you want, but that was the true blue composition software where you had to do everything yourself, the software didn't do much of the work for you. I've also got a Yamaha W5, it's a hardware sequencer, about 5 years old but does still play... and yeah I've played around with fruityloops and cubase and all that, it's all good.


respect to the tracker. I'm a tracker too, and I still am, using Buzz.


Posted by SugarRush on Feb-21-2003 15:17:

Smile

quote:
Originally posted by halo20
I haven't been a picky bastard for some time now...but this has to be done...

...the word is "here" not "hear". Cheers bruv.


haha I was thinking the exact same thing!
Mistakes like that drive me crrrazy!

I know im anal what an i say.


Posted by DJ_ALFA on Feb-22-2003 05:04:

Fuity Loops is pretty powerfull and user friendly software for beginners. Just start playing around with it, create some beats, basslines, tweak samples/synths, that's how I got started anyway. Make sure you have a decent soundcard and a powerful system. But I guess no matter what software or hardware you chose, creativity comes first


Posted by trancearmada on Feb-22-2003 05:07:

quote:
Originally posted by halo20
I haven't been a picky bastard for some time now...but this has to be done...

...the word is "here" not "hear". Cheers bruv.


yeah i was gonna mention it too, but I thought I would let it slide, it must be the drugs I am on!


Posted by DigiNut on Feb-22-2003 17:29:

Re: Re: Anyone Hear Interested In Producing Music?

Hm I seem to have missed the new posts in this thread...

quote:
Originally posted by rabbitjoker
My brother is an engineer for Sony Music and here is what he suggests

Just wanted to jump in here and say WHAT A LUCKY BASTARD! LoL, that's the sweetest job ever, I've wanted to work in those divisions but Sony doesn't seem to hire students for that stuff. Maybe in a few years...

quote:

He also states that most production is done on Macs, or ProTools rigs (which are big expensive hardware protools setups).

I WANT ONE OF THOSE! I've seen a ProTools rig, don't they cost like $9k? Insanity!

quote:

Hardware: Mixer, Sampler, Midi-keyboard

Based on my own limited experience and experiences of others, E-mu makes better samplers than Akai. E-mu can also read Akai's sample CD's, but not the other way around (although I learned this about a year ago so it may have changed). By the way, samplers are friggin' expensive too, I think some of them run over $3500 US don't they?

Oh one last thing...
quote:
Originally posted by quddha
respect to the tracker. I'm a tracker too, and I still am, using Buzz.

Dude that is super hardcore! I could never get the hang of that program, and it just didn't agree well with my occasional sample-whoring. Awesome to know that there are still some people out there who remember what a "track" really is! (RJ too)


Posted by drewfactor on Feb-24-2003 02:31:

I don't produce trance but I've been playing guitar for years and recently started making some tracks using my own creative ideas. Usually I start out with a drum beat I make with a drum machine I downloaded...like a house beat or something of the sort. I lay down the whole drum track and then record it onto an old 4 track recorder. I recently started adding synth lines and bass lines with fruity loops, but I need more practice with the software. I have a bass guitar and I play a funky bass line over the drum track and record it. Next I mess around with mellow, jazzy guitar chords and then do some jazzy soloing over top everything. It's a kind of chilled out/jazz infused house that I like to make. All on a shitty 4 track tascam, and it sounds pretty good. I realize I could do so much with good software, but I don't have the funds or time to upgrade my comp.

Anyone who produces and would like someone to infuse some guitar into their stuff, or even want me to lay some samples, feel free to contact me.


Posted by rabbitjoker on Feb-24-2003 02:33:

Re: Re: Re: Anyone Hear Interested In Producing Music?

quote:
Originally posted by DigiNut
Just wanted to jump in here and say WHAT A LUCKY BASTARD! LoL, that's the sweetest job ever, I've wanted to work in those divisions but Sony doesn't seem to hire students for that stuff. Maybe in a few years...


Yeah he likes it there. He gets to work with all the Canadian Sony artists and the American ones who come up to Toronto to record (Swollen Memebers, Adam Gregory, Celene Dion, Jarvis Church [are the only ones I can remember]).

And he got to sit with Mandy Moore for like 2.5 hours!!!!!!!!!!! [drool - man she's hot!].

quote:

I WANT ONE OF THOSE! I've seen a ProTools rig, don't they cost like $9k? Insanity!


I don't remember how much he said it cost - but I think it was $30+ for the ProTools gear (with all the upgrades and options). ProTools has a cheaper version though (ProTools Lite or something)

And yes, I'm sure there are a bunch on here who used to track things.. I remember converting Robert Miles Children to an S3M. It took like like 3 days.. lol


Posted by Crazy Serb on Feb-24-2003 02:38:

Re: Re: Re: Re: Anyone Hear Interested In Producing Music?

quote:
Originally posted by rabbitjoker
And he got to sit with Mandy Moore for like 2.5 hours!!!!!!!!!!! [drool].


Bah...


Posted by DigiNut on Feb-24-2003 03:31:

Re: Re: Re: Re: Anyone Hear Interested In Producing Music?

quote:
Originally posted by rabbitjoker
...I remember converting Robert Miles Children to an S3M. It took like like 3 days.. lol


LOL, I remember actually downloading a "remix" of that same song before I even knew what trance was... I wonder if it was yours?


Posted by Arsalan on Feb-24-2003 09:34:

time to play with fruity loops ;d



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