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What is a Maxi-CD?

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As opposed to a CD single a CD Maxi will have many (if not all) mixes of a track on it ... anything upto 9 tracks sometimes!

Stuff like this isn't usually found in the UK as there are limits on the lengths of CD that are eligible for the charts

CDS = CD single, max 3 tracks or about 20 mins
CDM = CD maxi, no exact limits
CD = CD album

UK CD singles usually are max of 3 tracks or about 20 mins. The limit was 40 mins until the "CIN (The Chart Information Network) ppl" changed it to 20 mins in 1998. I hate the CIN cd length rule, it's just a way to get more money to the record companies by making ppl buy at least 2 singles instead of 1. Luckily most other countries don't have these limitations, except Germany has a restriction for the length of limited edition bonus CDs packed with an CD album to about 23 minutes. Remember Blank & Jones - Nightclubbing 2CD!

Usual length of a CDM is around 35 mins or 4-5 mixes, but i have seen some US CD maxis including 14 mixes, length over 75 mins!!!! That sure is worth the money, not like the UK singles with 1 radio edit and 2 mixes, which most likely both are also slightly edited.

Some UK record companies have also been against the rule. This is what reads in the back cover of Humate - 3.1 (7 mixes / over 58 mins) CDM on Platipus Records in 1998 : "The Chart Information Network (C.I.N) have changed the rules so that 'You' the Punter, can no longer purchase a single with more than 3 mixes on it. That's why we have made this CD single with 7 mixes on it, the way it should be - 'Value for your money'. For anyone from C.I.N. that reads this, f**k your rules!"

More detailed info about the CIN rules HERE.

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Originally posted by GrimReaper CDS = CD single, max 3 tracks or about 20 mins CDM = CD maxi, no exact limits CD = CD album UK CD singles usually are max of 3 tracks or about 20 mins. The limit was 40 mins until the "CIN (The Chart Information Network) ppl" changed it to 20 mins in 1998. I hate the CIN cd length rule, it's just a way to get more money to the record companies by making ppl buy at least 2 singles instead of 1. Luckily most other countries don't have these limitations, except Germany has a restriction for the length of limited edition bonus CDs packed with an CD album to about 23 minutes. Remember Blank & Jones - Nightclubbing 2CD! Usual length of a CDM is around 35 mins or 4-5 mixes, but i have seen some US CD maxis including 14 mixes, length over 75 mins!!!! That sure is worth the money, not like the UK singles with 1 radio edit and 2 mixes, which most likely both are also slightly edited. Some UK record companies have also been against the rule. This is what reads in the back cover of Humate - 3.1 (7 mixes / over 58 mins) CDM on Platipus Records in 1998 : "The Chart Information Network (C.I.N) have changed the rules so that 'You' the Punter, can no longer purchase a single with more than 3 mixes on it. That's why we have made this CD single with 7 mixes on it, the way it should be - 'Value for your money'. For anyone from C.I.N. that reads this, f**k your rules!" More detailed info about the CIN rules HERE.

/Me rememebers an old hard house single from 1994 with about 9 mixes on the cd.

dude that's fuck'n crap... =oP i'm sorry

lol

all of the singles i have have almost every remix of the song on em... maybe 1 or 2 other songs... and remixes of those songs...

like...

nine inch nails - head like a hole (10 songs... 70+ minutes)
filter - take a picture (7 remixes +2 music vids)
static-x - push it (5 songs - 2 remixes of push it + 2 music vids)
velvet acid christ - decypher (5 remixes + 2 remixes of fun with drugs)
nine inch nails - the perfect drug (5 remixes... 60 minutes)
new order - crystal (7 remixes i think... + 1 other song from their newer cd... good cd to get... gots digweeds mix ov it =oP )

but yah... so on n so fourth... =oP
and you can't always blame the record companys... like this guy i looked up to (for quite some time...) bryan... (VAC) was going to put out a maxi-cd with remixes, b-sides and a couple music vids... but decided to put out 2 singles with 1 b-side on each... sort of like demos... cause there are going to be no remixes... and then just put out a remix cd in the future... but he's doing this because HE wants more money... not because the record companys want more money...

but the idea of putting movies on singles is a good thing... at least i think so... because mtv here is crap... and if you don't have the extra $40 a month to pay for added channels so you get mtv 2 er mtv 3 er woteva... you never get to see the vids (unless you dl em... but i've got a 56k... and it takes fuck'n forever)

^^^reason being why i will NEVER EVER EVER EVER charge $$ for one of my cds... if you can't dl it you can send me a letter and i'll send you a cd back... if you get signed... or if you start to get known... money becomes everything... after time... you just make what sounds cool and not what you want comming out of your mind... blah...

THE FIRST STEP TO SELLING OUT IS GETTING KNOWN... fuck record companys... fuck their rules... and fuck the artists who support everything a record company wants...

what about the yet another day CDM i think there was a lot of mixes on that one

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Originally posted by dj_unsorted dude that's fuck'n crap... =oP i'm sorry lol all of the singles i have have almost every remix of the song on em... maybe 1 or 2 other songs... and remixes of those songs...

Yeah, most of my singles are like that too.. but they are imports, promo cds or they just haven't obeyd the CIN rule.. about 99% of the UK record companies do obey it or at least try.. and until 1998 the limit was 40 mins if only remixes of the song, 20-25 or up to 4 different songs (incl. b-sides) involved. That's why for example "The Orb" released a single "Blue Room" which was exactly 39:59 long. Since Spring 2001 it seems to be allowed to include more than 3 versions of the featured track if the 20 minute limit is not reached.

Don't blame me being wrong, there are always exceptions!

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Originally posted by dj_unsorted if you get signed... or if you start to get known... money becomes everything... after time... you just make what sounds cool and not what you want comming out of your mind... blah... THE FIRST STEP TO SELLING OUT IS GETTING KNOWN... fuck record companys... fuck their rules... and fuck the artists who support everything a record company wants...

i so want to put this in a different way.. but im unable to think of a nicer way to write it..

you're talking out your ass.

so us musicians arnt allowed to get payed for our jobs..? open your eyes. if signed artists didnt get payed then they would all starve and die.. either that or be working a normal 9-5 job not having time to make the music you like. yes, there are certain artists who have 'sold out' but getting known is CERTAINLY not the first step to selling out. getting known is what we all want to do so that ppl will actually notice our records in the shop and buy them. in reply to your little bit that sez "you just make what sounds cool, not whats coming out ur mind".. well, hopefully what comes out of our minds is also what sounds cool. if it didnt sound good then we would have a pretty shit genre.

if you want to say 'fuck record companies' then trance is doomed. there would be no music released without them.

maxi CD is basically the equivalent of a 12" single (but on CD format, of course : )).

personally, i don't differentiate a CD single from a CD maxi. i just call them all CD5s (for 5 inch CD single). the term "maxi" was given to denote a 12" single as opposed to a 7" single, so to me, all CD singles of today are maxis since they are 5" and not 3".

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Originally posted by obs maxi CD is basically the equivalent of a 12" single (but on CD format, of course : )). personally, i don't differentiate a CD single from a CD maxi. i just call them all CD5s (for 5 inch CD single). the term "maxi" was given to denote a 12" single as opposed to a 7" single, so to me, all CD singles of today are maxis since they are 5" and not 3".

thats shit, sorry.

Example, theres 2 cds on the armind label for sound of goodbye. the single contains 2 edits and the maxi contains all the original mixes.

waarom should there be arestriction to the length of a bonus cd :~

quality trance is released all the time without record companys...

mp3.com
soundclick.com

and the hundreds of other mp3 services...

i'm not saying that you shouldn't be payed for it... if ya wanna make money... fine... but money's evil... it destroys lives... familys... citys... countrys...

i make music... i mix... but everything i give to people is free... music should be shared... not bought n sold like drugs... if someone doesn't have the $20 to buy your cd... does that mean that they shouldn't be able to experience something they very well might love... because they're broke... or because they have to choose each month between food and heat... it's rediculous... the internet has made it possible for you to get your shit out AROUND THE WORLD. if your too lazy to promote it... or just don't fucking care if anyone hears it... fine... post it... leave it... but the idea of making hundreds, thousands, millions of dollars off of your music is what is ruining music... people make what they think will sell... who cares if it's cool... just make what you wanna fucking make... if people like it... fine... if they don't... fine... THAT is what is ruining music... people makeing what they think will sell... i've always thought of electronic music as kind of special... because it can convay feelings without words... you can make a song to get something out and share it with someone who doesn't speak your fucking language... and they can understand your feelings... before it was 'cool' to be a little fucking raver people could do this... then it started to get more known... people got into djing... got into production... and now it's all going to hell... people are ripping off other patterns... ripping off synth lines... bass lines... they arn't making the music with any feeling anymore... now it's just... 'oh this'll be cool... i'll make money' fuck that...

A maxi CD is a CD that has only one single and a few remixes of the single.

e.g: Let's say the single is Cosmic Gate-Fire Wire. Now on that Cd is going to be the single from fire wire, but also remixes from Fire Wire.

i work at KB toy outlet... 16 hours a week... i survive... i'm not special because i make music... i don't want money for it... maybe i'm just one of the few 'artists' who feel that music as expression shouldn't be bought... sold... whatever... i don't want money for me expressing feelings through music... it's just something i do... it's something i do with all of my spare time... and it's helping. i don't think that i should be paid for helping myself with my own issues...

as for mp3's sounding like shit... yah... i agree... i'd take vinyl over an mp3 any fuck'n day...

and i'm sorry... you are right... and i'm just... pissed off... reading what my (pretty much) idol wrote, saying that he was going to deny his fans music... and make them pay more for less music so that he could make more money... just pissed me off... there's also his asking his fans what he should do with his music... trying to get ideas... so that we will be more inclined to buy it... if it's your music... make it yours... don't fucking make shit because people will think it's cool... and you think you can make more money...

and the %5 thing... i know... that's another reason i HATE record companys... although it is cheaper to have a record contract... so you don't have to get all yer tunes pressed to vinyl so you can mix em at sum fuck'n club... fine... yah... blah blah blah...

i dunno...

the music industry is suffering... it has for a while...

and almost every genre of music is ripping off the past... getting the puff daddy seal of aproval... but when a good producer... rips off a shitty producers synth line... calls it theirs... it's fucked up... i dunno... stupid brain... stupid drugs... i'm fucked up... i'm wrong... fuck it

Are these CD's specially formatted to hold significantly less than 80 mins? In other words, are these regular CDs (it's just that a lot of space is wasted on them), or some special ones?

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Originally posted by dj_unsorted quality trance is released all the time without record companys... mp3.com soundclick.com and the hundreds of other mp3 services...

Yes and without record companies the records don't get pressed on vinyl - stop talking out your arse.

And dont say that the person can get them pressed himself - because unless they order many many its gonna cause silly money per vinyl - and how they gonna flog them without a record company to distrubute them to record stores.

thats shit, sorry.


i never said my definition was the industry definition. i don't know what the industry definition is because i've never seen it.

until someone can provide concrete proof, i'll keep using my own personal preference.

note: by industry definition, i mean something that all labels agreed upon, not just what some labels decided to use.


Example, theres 2 cds on the armind label for sound of goodbye. the single contains 2 edits and the maxi contains all the original mixes.

just curious, does one say "cd single" and the other "cd maxi"?


question:
depeche mode - enjoy the silence (third CD)
it is one track that is 15 minutes. single or maxi by your definiton?





Are these CD's specially formatted to hold significantly less than 80 mins? In other words, are these regular CDs (it's just that a lot of space is wasted on them), or some special ones?

it's just a lot of wasted space. you can just look at the read side to see how much space is actually used.

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Originally posted by dj_unsorted quality trance is released all the time without record companys... mp3.com soundclick.com and the hundreds of other mp3 services... i'm not saying that you shouldn't be payed for it... if ya wanna make money... fine... but money's evil... it destroys lives... familys... citys... countrys...

mp3's are crap... i hate mixing with CD's... why would i want to distribute my music solely as mp3..? yes, i do distribute my music as mp3 for promotional purposes (see my sig) but thats all it is.. a promotion tool. what i want for my music is for it to be played in the clubs as that is what our music is actually for... and its very hard to get it played in the clubs if its not on a 12" bit of plastic with grooves in it. and its pretty un-feasable for me to get 1000 copies of my tune on vinyl as it costs a bomb, and of course.. im doing it all for free

im not saying i want to be mega rich from my music, all i wanna do with my life is produce and DJ.. so long as im comfortable i dont care how much i make.

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i make music... i mix... but everything i give to people is free... music should be shared... not bought n sold like drugs... if someone doesn't have the $20 to buy your cd... does that mean that they shouldn't be able to experience something they very well might love... because they're broke... or because they have to choose each month between food and heat... it's rediculous... the internet has made it possible for you to get your shit out AROUND THE WORLD. if your too lazy to promote it... or just don't fucking care if anyone hears it... fine... post it... leave it... but the idea of making hundreds, thousands, millions of dollars off of your music is what is ruining music... people make what they think will sell... who cares if it's cool... just make what you wanna fucking make... if people like it... fine... if they don't... fine... THAT is what is ruining music... people makeing what they think will sell... i've always thought of electronic music as kind of special... because it can convay feelings without words... you can make a song to get something out and share it with someone who doesn't speak your fucking language... and they can understand your feelings... before it was 'cool' to be a little fucking raver people could do this... then it started to get more known... people got into djing... got into production... and now it's all going to hell... people are ripping off other patterns... ripping off synth lines... bass lines... they arn't making the music with any feeling anymore... now it's just... 'oh this'll be cool... i'll make money' fuck that...

its not that person that can't afford my CD that im bothered about... its the DJ's buying my records which ACTUALLY matters to me. you see my point is.. if a DJ buys my record, then he will possibly play it to 1000+ people, maybe another DJ is there, he asks the bloke whos playing what this tune is.. he then goes out and buys it and plays it to 1000+ other people.. u get my drift? 1 person buying it means 1000+ hearing it..

its the older generation of producers who are ruining the industry for the younger... this is currently being fixed. go look in the amateur production forum.



p.s. to the thread starter - my apologies for the threadjacking...

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Originally posted by Eugene Are these CD's specially formatted to hold significantly less than 80 mins? In other words, are these regular CDs (it's just that a lot of space is wasted on them), or some special ones?

Actually they are regular discs and indeed a lot of space is wasted, but then again a disc costs only about 50 cent (Euro or Dollar whatever lol ), so it doesn't really matter in the end how much the put on it for a record company.
CDM's are disappearing in Belgium aswell. CDM's are becoming extinct .
And I won't buy a single with a "Radio Edit" and a "Radio Edit + 5 sec Mix"

grr, someone got me off on a tangent.

what i originally said:
"maxi CD is basically the equivalent of a 12inch single"
this i stand by although there probably is no official definition for maxi CD. what is meant is: take the contents of what would normally be on a 12inch single and dump that onto a CD.


"personally, i don't differentiate a CD single from a CD maxi. i just call them all CD5s (for 5 inch CD single). the term "maxi" was given to denote a 12" single as opposed to a 7" single, so to me, all CD singles of today are maxis since they are 5" and not 3"."

... meaning i don't use the term "cd single" or "cd maxi". i just call them CD3 or CD5. i never called the vinyl version "maxi singles" either ... always "12inch singles".

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