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Posted by Psychonoise on Feb-27-2003 19:44:

Progressive+Energy=Possible?

I wanna know if there are producers that make it...if u known someone please post,i like prog but i think it�s lacks in energy...or the philosophy of prog is against energy?

Posted by Technaut on Feb-27-2003 20:07:

Re: Progressive+Energy=Possible?

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Originally posted by Psychonoise
i think it�s lacks in energy...

Posted by DJ-Kuza on Feb-27-2003 20:10:

It has a lot of energy. But 50% of the tracks are just dance tracks. It's not like trace where every damn song has a huge build. That's why prog is better then trance.

Posted by Psychonoise on Feb-27-2003 20:14:

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It has a lot of energy. But 50% of the tracks are just dance tracks. It's not like trace where every damn song has a huge build. That's why prog is better then trance.

Then there are two answer: my brain don�t recognise the energy in the tune or i�m listening to the wrong tracks...

Posted by Ste on Feb-27-2003 20:16:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ-Kuza
It has a lot of energy. But 50% of the tracks are just dance tracks. It's not like trace where every damn song has a huge build. That's why prog is better then trance.

no it doesnt, its jsut more groovey/posey music.

thats why its labelled as progressive "house"

Posted by Psychonoise on Feb-27-2003 20:20:

I love the bass lines of prog house...prog trance i think it�s more chill out......

Posted by Djeebie on Feb-27-2003 20:21:

IMO progressive tracks give their energy through the beat and not melody as with trance. Just as it is with techno; a driving beat with 'agressive' percussion gives that energy feel to it. Listen to e.g. Lemon 8 - New York New York. It's prog but it definitely has energy in it.

Posted by Psychonoise on Feb-27-2003 20:29:

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IMO progressive tracks give their energy through the beat and not melody as with trance. Just as it is with techno; a driving beat with 'agressive' percussion gives that energy feel to it. Listen to e.g. Lemon 8 - New York New York. It's prog but it definitely has energy in it.

...but in techno there are more energy than prog IMO...the beats is more banging and prog is slower...and when prog have melody it�s more chill out...

Posted by Technaut on Feb-27-2003 20:31:

Where does progressive actually progress too?

Posted by Djeebie on Feb-27-2003 20:33:

quote:
Originally posted by Psychonoise
...but in techno there are more energy than prog IMO...the beats is more banging and prog is slower...and when prog have melody it�s more chill out...

True. Techno has more energy and prog lacks in (trancewise) melodies. But you can never expect progressive to be as energetic as uplifting trance. Prog is a whole different thing. And you should certainly not listen to it as (energetic) trance. It definitely has energy only in another way than trance.

Posted by trancer1999 on Feb-27-2003 20:50:

Energetic Proggy Tune:

James Holden-One for You(Brancaccio & Aisher remix)

Posted by infinity HiGH on Feb-27-2003 20:58:

yeah, in prog its all about the rhythm; thats what sets the energy. And if a DJ really gets you into his set, then you're gonna dance your ass off. Eg. when i went for Sander K way back in August or Dave Seaman in October; no trance DJ has been able to match the energy following those nights. Not Marco, Armin, Corsten or Flemming...none of them matched it. During Corsten I was yawning in the first song, lol. Armin was pretty good, I was dancing a bit to his set. 00 Flemming and Marco V were the only 2 really got me pumped, but still, not as much as Sander K...my shirt was drenched in sweat from his set, lol.

Posted by Lira on Feb-27-2003 21:12:

Re: Progressive+Energy=Possible?

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Originally posted by Psychonoise
or the philosophy of prog is against energy?

I can dance to some of James Holden's tunes... and there's also Haak from the amateur forum who produces some incredible progs

Posted by Psychonoise on Feb-27-2003 21:18:

I can and like dance prog when it�s played in a club with a good sound system...Maaz can u post the link of this songs?

Posted by Lira on Feb-27-2003 21:35:

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forum/s...&highlight=haak
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forum/s...hlight=omg+tune

I hope Haak is okay with it

Posted by uberclkgtr on Feb-27-2003 21:39:

Re: Progressive+Energy=Possible?

quote:
Originally posted by Psychonoise
I wanna know if there are producers that make it...if u known someone please post,i like prog but i think it�s lacks in energy...or the philosophy of prog is against energy?

What are you guys smoking over there?

Not to sound bitchy, but honestly, you've just been listening to the wrong stuff if you're asking a question like that. There's a ton of progressive with energy out there. As *one* example, check out the following track:

the crystal method - wild sweet & cool (static revenger mix)

You just need to start listening to the right stuff.

Posted by Arbiter on Feb-27-2003 23:47:

Not really...

Even my favorite prog tunes are sorely lacking in the energy department. Its just more of a chill-out type of genre if you ask me.

Posted by dark_tenshi on Feb-28-2003 00:04:

Progressive House is somewhat slower than Trance, so some people feel it's less energetic. But Progressive House isn't about banging it out though. DJs build up their sets from mellower stuff and into harder stuff. Peak time Prog House is amazingly energetic with driving baselines and tripped-out effects.

Posted by [N]�k|��[Z] on Feb-28-2003 01:06:

Re: Re: Progressive+Energy=Possible?

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Originally posted by uberclkgtr
What are you guys smoking over there?

Not to sound bitchy, but honestly, you've just been listening to the wrong stuff if you're asking a question like that. There's a ton of progressive with energy out there. As *one* example, check out the following track:

the crystal method - wild sweet & cool (static revenger mix)

You just need to start listening to the right stuff.

i disagree..... i think the whole point of prog, is that it is actually progressive..... only sumone who can appreciate prg (i.e a prog fan)... can appreciate the energy given off.. but the energy is different. its not like woooooooh this TRACK has a lot of energy.. but the SET as a whole and the atmosphere it gives off creates a different kind of energy.

im no prog head... im more into my hardstyle more than anything.... but i tell you now... i saw jon pleased wimmin, and steve lawler @ gatecrasher early 2001, and i danced my ass off man... why?.... cos the atmosphere the set gave off. You listen to any single one prog tune, and i doubt you'll feel all 'energised' from it. Prog energy is an art within itself.

Posted by DJ_Skaya on Feb-28-2003 02:30:

The question sounds like it came from someone who thinks that the stuff Tiesto is spinning currently is progressive. It's not. He just spins mellow, chilled out trance for the most part. Real Progressive (Sasha, Digweed, Sander K, etc.) has deep groovy basslines with lots of effects and small melodies layerd over the top of them.

Posted by Psychonoise on Feb-28-2003 08:20:

quote:
[N]�k|��[Z]
i disagree..... i think the whole point of prog, is that it is actually progressive..... only sumone who can appreciate prg (i.e a prog fan)... can appreciate the energy given off.. but the energy is different. its not like woooooooh this TRACK has a lot of energy.. but the SET as a whole and the atmosphere it gives off creates a different kind of energy.

I was thinking and u said the true...it�s a diferent form of energy...

quote:
The question sounds like it came from someone who thinks that the stuff Tiesto is spinning currently is progressive. It's not. He just spins mellow, chilled out trance for the most part. Real Progressive (Sasha, Digweed, Sander K, etc.) has deep groovy basslines with lots of effects and small melodies layerd over the top of them.

No i am based in a Set from Sander K. and some tunes from James Holden.The set from sander is amazing i loved but i don�t feel the energy like in a tune from flutlicht or shokk.

Posted by Great Outdoors on Feb-28-2003 09:04:

Well I think progressive HAS energy, it just takes its time to build (that's why progressive tracks are so much longer), and the kind of energy you're talking about here is of an entirely different level. It's not about adenaline-pumping-insane-BPM energy; it's like soulful energy built up from within. You know, instead of deriving their track energy from deliberately and artificially extending their breakdowns and half a minute of rolling drums, progressive tracks build their layers slowly and confidently, until you feel yourself wanting to evolve together with the track. This is the kind of energy I am talking about.

It's just like how people gather courage by doing certain things- some people make themselves braver by behaving in a barbaric, hooligan-inspired way, others prefer to stay still, pray to God and gather courage from within. Ok I know it's a cheesy example to quote but I think some of you will know what I'm driving at.

Posted by tu_face on Feb-28-2003 09:09:

i think energy is a lot in the ear of the beholder if u like music then it will make you dance, but if its not your thing then you wont find it energizing...

especially as far as prog house goes theres a lot of up-beat stuff that really gets pumpin.. for example Allen & Healy - Buzzing goes right off!

Posted by Slapskin on Feb-28-2003 09:17:

for me progressive is better to dance to cuz of shorter breakdowns and non-existant buildups, and the beasslines r so fuckin amazing, they make u jump up and flow along.

Posted by Arsalan on Feb-28-2003 10:17:

I really need to look into more progressive to see what the big fuss is about

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