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Recording Mixes
god it is fucking frustrating as hell. who feels me?
totally man! all is going great till you start recording, then it's all shot to hell!
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| Originally posted by JohnSmith totally man! all is going great till you start recording, then it's all shot to hell! |
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| Originally posted by JohnSmith totally man! all is going great till you start recording, then it's all shot to hell! |
practise, just remember there is no pressure compared to a live audience 
ive gota agree with ya all there, i always seem to fuck up when recording, like the other day i was making a cd for my mate, and i just constantly kept screwing up, then i had a lil rest nd came back to it, going smoothly until the 2nd to last transition, arggggg
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| Originally posted by spike_boy69 ive gota agree with ya all there, i always seem to fuck up when recording, like the other day i was making a cd for my mate, and i just constantly kept screwing up, then i had a lil rest nd came back to it, going smoothly until the 2nd to last transition, arggggg |
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| Originally posted by Project T practise, just remember there is no pressure compared to a live audience |
Re: Recording Mixes
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| Originally posted by Gourhellyea god it is fucking frustrating as hell. who feels me? |
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| Originally posted by djdawn actually I think it's much worse when recording at home, cause you will hear every transition over and over again while at a club or rave you hear it only once and then it's gone. People forget fcuk-ups quite quickly if the next transition is good... |
playing live is a hell of a lot easier for me
i'm there to have fun and i'm feeding off the energy of the crowd
my sets rock when playing live
but at home recording... it's hard cause it's something you can hear again and again so you always have that little thought in the back of your mind
so basically what dawn said...
it took me almost 6yrs to realize that when i am recording and something fux up... i can just pick up the needle and redo that transition and then edit in the computer. it is one thing if you are recording a "live" cd, but if you are making one to pass out to pees you deem as important for your career or what not, i feel it is better to give them a quality cd of "live mixes" than a less-than-par "live cd". also, if you do that while you are mixing.. it is easier to get the levels right.
on the latest cd i just made, i didnt like how the last 3 tracks were situated, i just went back and rearranged, added, and deleted a few back there and viola, done... rather than going back and re-recording the mix.
just my opinion
onceler: Totally agree It takes more time doing a little editing afterwards, but to finish with an entire CD you're happy with rather than hating one of the mixes is much better.
There's a point that people haven't said so far: a loud sound system masks mistakes a bit too. It is much harder to pick up on things like beat phasing when the volume is too loud.
That said, if you mix a CD or tape, you'll probably listen to each mix at least a few times. Generally, you're trying your hardest to find fault with your mixing so you'll normally hear something you don't like.
I always find mixing at home difficult because there is no crowd energy to feed from, after 30-45 minutes I'm getting a bit bored of mixing. In a club it is just totally different.
Think of it as playing it for your life's sake.. lol
ORRRRR...
Ur playing for a larger crowd.. just try to delete it from your mind... hmmm now where's that delete key.. lol
Best thing to do is just record everytime you practice and you'll get used to it.
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| Originally posted by Narcissus Best thing to do is just record everytime you practice and you'll get used to it. |
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| Originally posted by onceler it took me almost 6yrs to realize that when i am recording and something fux up... i can just pick up the needle and redo that transition and then edit in the computer. it is one thing if you are recording a "live" cd, but if you are making one to pass out to pees you deem as important for your career or what not, i feel it is better to give them a quality cd of "live mixes" than a less-than-par "live cd". also, if you do that while you are mixing.. it is easier to get the levels right. on the latest cd i just made, i didnt like how the last 3 tracks were situated, i just went back and rearranged, added, and deleted a few back there and viola, done... rather than going back and re-recording the mix. just my opinion |
yeah, that's what i do too!
tracklist looks nice, i love staircase - faith, it's such an easy record to mix!
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| Originally posted by Narcissus Best thing to do is just record everytime you practice and you'll get used to it. |
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| Originally posted by onceler it took me almost 6yrs to realize that when i am recording and something fux up... i can just pick up the needle and redo that transition and then edit in the computer. it is one thing if you are recording a "live" cd, but if you are making one to pass out to pees you deem as important for your career or what not, i feel it is better to give them a quality cd of "live mixes" than a less-than-par "live cd". also, if you do that while you are mixing.. it is easier to get the levels right. on the latest cd i just made, i didnt like how the last 3 tracks were situated, i just went back and rearranged, added, and deleted a few back there and viola, done... rather than going back and re-recording the mix. just my opinion |
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| Originally posted by Bear4569 I have noticed that when you are recording, everything sounds great live, but when you listen to the recording the beats maybe off just a little bit, not a whole lot, but enough for you to notice them. I find that very frustrating. For that reason and you know you are recording, so it's like somebody is watchin you like a hawk and you don't want to mess up. So I feel the pain of making a recording. |
and even on my headphones they look perfect. Weird really!
sorry.. i was away from my computer and internet the whole weekend so i didnt get a chance to respond.. here is how i do my mixes..
i use soundforge 6.0 to record the mix in, if i know i have screwed up a mix on the fly, i will pick up the needle and put it down right before the last breakdown occurs that is unmixed. i will then start my mix as usual and continue on, repeating this for each mix that i mess up.
once i have finished the cd, i then will goto soundforge and edit it down. first, i remove the mess-ups, you can zoom in so good that you can have an exact chop and will be totally unnoticable. the bennifit of doing this while you are mixing as oppossed to later is you can get the volumn exact, therefore, the wave will be pretty much exact, and it will be 100% easier for you to chop it up.
once i have removed all the erronious parts of my mix, i then go through and trim it down to 80 mins, this usually means removing repitions of the middle of songs, or chopping off the end somehow (or beginning).
i then burn the cd (w/ tracks) and listen to it a bit. remember to make sure you save the full, 80-min wave file in one piece until you are 100% sure that is the mix you want. after listening to it, i then go back and re-edit anything i dont want. on my last mix, i re-edited the last 3 songs. to do this, i went to the 4th-to-last song and pitch-ed matched the record to the cd, then recorded it in. the hardest part of this is to get the volumn correct. to splice the 2 parts, just do as above, find a breakdown and go from there. i use breakdowns because the sound is really low or no sound, and i find it to be less altering, especially if you dont have the volumns matched 100% (you can adjust volumn w/ the volumn "filter" of soundforge).
after i have my mix 100% the way i like it, i take it into Cool Edit Pro and remove any hiss, or noise, or crackle or anything like that. the reason i told you to save the full mix as 1 wave file is for this reason, so you can bring it into cool edit as 1 file. also, if you have to do any re-editing, it is easier w/ 1 file.
after cool edit is done, i bring it back to soundforge, redo my markers (as cool edit messes them up), conver the markers to regions, and extract the regions for the final copy. (if i had the new cd architech, i wouldnt need to do the region extraction).
once i have my regions, i bring the parts into nero, making sure there is 0 seconds between the tracks. i then name the tracks w/ the proper artist & track title, and burn the cd.
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hope that helps a bit, if you have any specifics that werent covered above, just pm or reply
-mike
I'm new with soundforge. Could you tell exactly what function/button to use? For example when chopping the unwanted transitions that you have corrected it? Once you've chopped it out does the whole thing get fixed into one file straight away or do we have to bind the 2 parts together?
damn it i was away on the weekends as well but I have been stuggling trying to record my mix, all the things said by the people here are so true, I had to use soundforge too get my mixes right, i just spent 2 straight days doing nothing but mixing and recording and editing! So fuckin frustrating! I have a few slight fuck ups that I can live with so I guess this is gonna be my demo after all!
I will put it up online sometimes soon, to see if you guys like it!
DJ Armada - ProgresSlider 33 (Live Turntable Mix) - 03-03-03
01. Yaz & Miko - Axell [Edit Rec. (Canada)]
02. Tom Wax - My Definition (Pascal F.E.O.S. Remix) [Phuture.Wax]
03. Agora - Radio City (Oxia Remix) [UMF Records]
04. Ross Couch - System Check [Bellboy Records]
05. Bitcrusher - Vision Sucks [Telica Communications]
06. Sharp Boys - The Race Track (Digistar Remix) [Duty Free]
07. The Box - African Drum [Byte Records]
08. Corvin Dalek - Pornoground [Flesh]
09. Kiko - Worldcup (Version 2.0) [Sekence]
10. Brian Zents - D-Clash (Slam Remix) [Intec]
11. Chrome Dioxide II - Concious (Kaylab Remix) [Headline]
12. Nitro - It's All About Music (Original) [Red Alert]
13. E-Craig - Drum Beats (E-Craig Hard Dub Mix) [Sunrise Rec.]
14. Martin Eyerer - Rhythm As Such (Filterheadz Dub Mix) [Sumo Records]
if you wanna hear my recent mixes.. go here
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...&threadid=93371
for my most recent, i changed around the ending tracks a day later than i recorded, and i think i edited 1 of the mixes on the fly when i was recording.
for soundforge... here is what you need to do
- record your mix in
- go back and put a marker (hit "M" to make one when you are playing your mix back) at the beginning and end of what you wanna cut out
- 2x click inbetween the markers to highlight the area you want deleted
- hit delete
note: this will created double markers on some spots, you will need to delete these and all markers that are not at track breaks when you are done editing
now, if you have not done yet, create a marker at each track break (including one at the beginning and 1 at the end
i think in the TOOLS -> PROCESS menu, there is an opiton "Markers to Regions" <-- do that and you will see the red markers are now white
In one of the right pull-down menus (sorry, cant run sf at the moment on this computer) you will see something that says "Extract Regions" <-- run this and pick a place to save the regions. this will create a wave file for each track, this is also what you burn.
note: now you will have 2 copies of your mix, your 80-min wave, and your chopped-up mix, you can delete the 80-min file if you are certain you are not going to edit anymore. i also, when doing my mixes, create a folder just for that mix and put all the wave files for that mix in there.
hope this helps
onceler you are the man.
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