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Posted by TeKnoHe@d2025 on Mar-01-2003 00:27:

Fragma- Man in Motion

A.K.A. Cafe del Mar 2003

How'd Fragma manage to get the rights to use Energy 52- Cafe del Mar, change the title and add vocals to it? The mixes of this tune (Cafe del Mar) will just never end (that's not necessarily a bad thing...), we can add 4 more to the list:

Fragma- Man in Motion (2003 Club Mix)
Fragma- Man in Motion (DJ Kadozer Remix)
Fragma- Man in Motion (DJ Kadozer Dub Mix)
Fragma- Man in Motion (Duderstadt Remix)

Posted by _Nut_ on Mar-01-2003 00:34:

Havent heard it yet. Does fragma do anything special with it? Or is it just a fluffer?

Posted by TeKnoHe@d2025 on Mar-01-2003 00:36:

quote:
Originally posted by Trance_Nut
Havent heard it yet. Does fragma do anything special with it? Or is it just a fluffer?

Basically all Fragma does is add vocals, and little bit of reconstruction but not much. The Duderstadt remix isn't too bad. Fans of Cafe del Mar will enjoy it but other than that it's nothing too special. Still, check it out though.

Posted by Arsalan on Mar-01-2003 06:57:

thx for info.

Posted by arctic on Mar-01-2003 07:14:

there have been so many rip ofs from cheese bag artists of good songs recently , push strange world, this, the list goes on...it's getting out of hand IMO~

Posted by b|p|3m on Mar-01-2003 12:22:

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...&threadid=93237

Posted by Prototrance on Mar-01-2003 12:30:

Me is thinkin this is gonna be a bad thing.
Something went really badly wrong with fragma after they produced 'toca me'. Every subsequent production was terrible, and now they are venturing into 'rip-off the classic' territory

Posted by TeKnoHe@d2025 on Mar-01-2003 17:50:

quote:
Originally posted by b|p|3m
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...&threadid=93237

Um, ok...so what are you trying to say? It's in a completely different area. I searched the music discussion before I posted it here so I don't wanna hear that bullshit.

Posted by Hydarnes on Feb-25-2005 21:55:

Not a ripoff in the least. They totally eclipsed the original cafe del mar with this song. Damae's vocals sound absolutely divine, and it adds so much to the tune.

Posted by Mr.Mystery on Feb-25-2005 21:56:

Posted by Hydarnes on Feb-25-2005 22:05:

Not a joke at all. The only reason why the song is being defamed is because of some prejudice for the original cafe del mar tune.

The vocals are actually what makes this song so breathtaking (albeit limited, which is one of the only negative aspects to the song), and combined with the cafe del mar sound it's uber!!!

Posted by Sand Leaper on Feb-25-2005 22:07:

quote:
Originally posted by Hydarnes
Not a joke at all. The only reason why the song is being defamed is because of some prejudice for the original cafe del mar tune.

The vocals are actually what makes this song so breathtaking (albeit limited, which is one of the only negative aspects to the song), and combined with the cafe del mar sound it's uber!!!

Oh dear.

Posted by montana on Feb-25-2005 22:07:

quote:
Originally posted by Hydarnes
Not a ripoff in the least. They totally eclipsed the original cafe del mar with this song. Damae's vocals sound absolutely divine, and it adds so much to the tune.

i have heard the track in question, and i will never forgive ramon zenker for this, butchering cafe del mar and placing the vocal, i mean c'mon. the original mix is a ripoff of the cosmic baby mix

Posted by Mr.Mystery on Feb-25-2005 22:10:

Posted by Dan1584 on Feb-25-2005 22:13:

quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
You are wrong.

And no, this is not a matter of opinion.

You never cease to disgust me.

Anyway ... I haven't heard the track in question. I can't imagine what vocals on top of such an ace tune would sound like but I'm willing to give it (and it's remixes) a chance before I pee all over it.

Posted by Hydarnes on Feb-25-2005 22:15:

Not butchery at all, it's called "improvement." The original cafe del mar song wasn't even that good without vocals. Besides, what really got me to like the song was Damae's voice, not the cafe del mar sample...

The original song seriously lacked variation in tune, and this is just the infusion that the doctor ordered to make the song a whole lot better!

The only reason for angry sentiment on the part of a few people is partiality for the original song, not unadulterated evaluation.

Posted by DRM on Feb-25-2005 22:17:

quote:
Originally posted by Hydarnes
Not butchery at all, it's called "improvement." The original cafe del mar song wasn't even that good without vocals. Besides, what really got me to like the song was Damae's voice, not the cafe del mar sample...

The original song seriously lacked variation in tune, and this is just the infusion that the doctor ordered to make the song a whole lot better!

thats some good shit

you have much to learn my young paedewan

Posted by Hydarnes on Feb-25-2005 22:19:

quote:
Originally posted by Dan1584
You never cease to disgust me.

Anyway ... I haven't heard the track in question. I can't imagine what vocals on top of such an ace tune would sound like but I'm willing to give it (and it's remixes) a chance before I pee all over it.

The vocals sound absolutely divine and it pulls you right in, trust me!

What's your email address? I'll send it to you.

There actually are a few negative aspects to "Man in the Moon", being that there is too little vocal infusion, the song is too short, and a different synth sound for the main melody would have, of course, been preferable. Nevertheless, the song shines as one of the best from Fragma (courtesy of Damae's vocals)!

Posted by Project 7 on Feb-25-2005 22:20:

WHo the hell are Fragma

Are these the people who made "toca dream" or something

If so, i will pray to God tonight i will never hear this

Posted by Mr.Mystery on Feb-25-2005 22:23:

quote:
Originally posted by Dan1584
You never cease to disgust me.

And you never cease to... uh... wait... was I talking to you?

Posted by Hydarnes on Feb-25-2005 22:24:

Yes, "Toca's Miracle" was a horrific song, and does not do justice to Fragma's amazing talent.

Actually, it's amusing how no one criticizes Fragma for borrowing Coco's vocal melody and incorporating it into "Toca Me", and yet "Man in the Moon" merely does the reverse by adding tune to original vocals. Again, the only reason why the latter gets any flak is because they borrowed from "cafe del mar"--a terribly poor justification for disparaging the song.

Posted by starglider on Feb-25-2005 22:27:

quote:
Originally posted by Hydarnes
Yes, "Toca's Miracle" was a horrific song, and does not do justice to Fragma's amazing talent.

Actually, it's amusing how no one criticizes Fragma for borrowing Coco's vocal melody and incorporating it into "Toca Me", and yet "Man in the Moon" merely does the reverse by adding tune to original vocals.

Sampling vocals is widely done by just about everyone and is nothing at all like remaking an entire song. Your comparison is invalid... much like your opinion. You are perfectly welcome to say you like Fragma, and I'll defend that right if need be, but you can't say Fragma have "amazing talent" without being corrected. Sorry.

Posted by Hydarnes on Feb-25-2005 22:36:

Thank you for your opinion starglider, but the error in your diagnosis of what Fragma has done to cafe del mar lies in the fact that they didn't remake the "whole song". They sampled the synth line and added original vocals.

It might help your point to actually make one.

Posted by Sand Leaper on Feb-25-2005 22:40:

quote:
Originally posted by Hydarnes
They sampled the synth line and added original vocals.

They didn't just sample it, they used the entire melody as the foundation for the tune, without crediting the producers of Cafe del Mar in any way whatsoever. This is what is called a ripoff. On top of that they used the melody from one of the most obvious, most popular and most remixed trance tunes ever. Is this your idea of talent?

Posted by montana on Feb-25-2005 22:44:

quote:
Originally posted by Hydarnes
Actually, it's amusing how no one criticizes Fragma for borrowing Coco's vocal melody and incorporating it into "Toca Me"

actually they didn't do it, it was originally bootleg mashup done by some random bloke, the gimps at positiva heard the mashup and then cleared it due to the fact that coco's i need a miracle was a positiva track too and then it became one of the most annoying tracks of 2000

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