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this should put some perspectives on track!
i just read this...
its by a guy named JOSEPH FARAH..
I dont need arguments wiht the facts... if u guys wanna ask for clarification on something I'm sure someone objectiev would be happy to assist!
by Joseph Farah (who is obviously not racist as u try to term me)
[...Now, I am an Arab-American. I have an Arab face and an Arab name. But I didn't get a second look. Meanwhile, I saw young mothers with little babies struggling to make it through extra security. I saw little old grandmothers facing the indignities of extra checks. And all the while, the Muslim-American lobbies and the Arab-American anti-discrimination groups are denouncing this country for being racist and for profiling.
It's just not true. Worse yet, there is every common-sense reason for it to be so. The threat of terrorism in the United States does come largely, if not exclusively, from Arabs and from Muslims. We ignore that fact at our own peril. When I fly to the Middle East, I often fly El Al. In fact, it is my preferred carrier. Why? Because it has great security. I know, because of my name and my Arabic ancestry, I'm going to have my bags searched more scrupulously than the average American. Do I mind? Absolutely not. In fact, I am grateful. Because I know these security people are not only protecting the other passengers, they are protecting me. It only makes sense to do this kind of profiling _ especially when we are in a war where our very way of life is at stake.
For those of you who have not read my writings on the Middle East and the Islamic-West conflicts, I don't think these battles are over misunderstandings. I don't believe they are the result of a failure to communicate. I don't believe they are caused by an inability to compromise. I believe they are caused by evil people doing evil things, pure and simple. I come at this issue of the Middle East a little bit differently than just about anyone else. I'm an Arab-American Christian journalist. I've arrived at my conclusions largely through first-hand experience covering the Mideast on the ground.
Throughout my 25-year career as a daily newspaperman, I've had two principal beats _ Hollywood and the Middle East. You might wonder what these two beats have in common. The common denominator is that they both deal in the realm of unreality. They both rely on myths. In fact, the imagination of the Arabs in crafting fables, reinventing history and fictionalizing facts would make Oliver Stone blush. And it is those myths of the Middle East that I want to address today in the short time we have.
What is this debate all about? What are the real roots of this conflict? If you believe what you read in most news sources, Palestinians want a homeland and Muslims want control over sites they consider holy. Simple, right? Wrong. In fact, these two demands are nothing more than strategic deceptions _ propaganda ploys. They are nothing more than phony excuses and rationalizations for the terrorism and the murdering of Jews. The real goal of those making these demands is the destruction of the state of Israel.
The proof of the pudding is that prior to the 1967 Arab-Israeli war, there was no serious movement for a Palestinian homeland. Why? In 1967, during the Six-Day War, the Israelis captured Judea, Samaria and East Jerusalem. But they didn't capture these territories from Yasser Arafat. They captured them from Jordan's King Hussein. Why did the so-called Palestinians suddenly discover their national identity after Israel won the war. Why wasn't there a demand for a Palestinian homeland before?
The truth is that Palestine is no more real than Never-Never Land. The first time the name was used was in 70 A.D. when the Romans committed genocide against the Jews, smashed the Temple and declared the land of Israel would be no more. From then on, the Romans promised, it would be known as Palestine. The name was derived, we think, from the Philistines, a people conquered by the Jews centuries earlier.
Contrary to what Yasser Arafat will tell you, the Philistines were extinct by that time. Arafat likes to pretend his people are the descendants of the Philistines. Actually, the name was simply a way for the Romans to add insult to injury to the Jews _ not only were they annihilated, but their land was renamed after people they had conquered.
Palestine has never existed _ before or since _ as a nation state. It was ruled alternately by Rome, by Islamic and Christian crusaders, by the Ottoman Empire and, briefly, by the British after World War I. The British agreed to restore at least part of the land to the Jewish people as their homeland. Who rejected that idea? The Arabs. The Jews could have no place in the Mideast. None. Zero. Zip. Nada. Now, at least to Western audiences, Arafat and some other so-called "moderate" Arab leaders will tell you that it's OK for the Jews to have their homeland, too _ side-by-side with the Arabs. Why wasn't it OK in 1948?
There is no language known as Palestinian. There is no distinct Palestinian culture. There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians, Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, etc. Keep in mind that the Arabs control 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one-tenth of 1 percent of the landmass.
But that's too much for the Arabs. They want it all. And that is ultimately what the fighting in Israel is about today. No matter how many land concessions the Israelis make, it will never be enough. Arafat himself explained the ploy of negotiations with Israel in a 1994 speech in South Africa _ in English. He's explained it in Arabic dozens of times. First we create our own state, then we use that state to liberate all of Palestine. That's the goal. It's always been the goal. Arafat and his supporters will tell you the reason a Palestinian Arab state is needed is because Arabs were forcibly removed from their property in the 1948 war. But listen to what the Arabs were saying about the refugee issue after that war.
* "The fact that there are these refugees is the direct consequence of the act of the Arab states in opposing partition and the Jewish state. The Arab states agree upon this policy unanimously and they must share in the solution of the problem."
_ Emile Ghoury, secretary of the Palestinian Arab Higher Committee, in an interview with the Beirut Telegraph Sept. 6, 1948.
* "The Arab state which had encouraged the Palestine Arabs to leave their homes temporarily in order to be out of the way of the Arab invasion armies, have failed to keep their promise to help these refugees."
_ The Jordanian daily newspaper Falastin, Feb. 19, 1949.
* "Who brought the Palestinians to Lebanon as refugees, suffering now from the malign attitude of newspapers and communal leaders, who have neither honor nor conscience? Who brought them over in dire straits and penniless, after they lost their honor? The Arab states, and Lebanon amongst them, did it."
_ The Beirut Muslim weekly Kul-Shay, Aug. 19, 1951.
* "The 15th May, 1948, arrived ... On that day the mufti of Jerusalem appealed to the Arabs of Palestine to leave the country, because the Arab armies were about to enter and fight in their stead."
_ The Cairo daily Akhbar el Yom, Oct. 12, 1963.
* "For the flight and fall of the other villages it is our leaders who are responsible because of their dissemination of rumors exaggerating Jewish crimes and describing them as atrocities in order to inflame the Arabs ... By spreading rumors of Jewish atrocities, killings of women and children etc., they instilled fear and terror in the hearts of the Arabs in Palestine, until they fled leaving their homes and properties to the enemy."
_ The Jordanian daily newspaper Al Urdun, April 9, 1953.
I could go on and on with this forgotten _ or deliberately obscured _ history. But you get the point. There was no Jewish conspiracy to chase Arabs out of their homes in 1948. It never happened. There are, instead, plenty of historical records showing the Jews pleading with their Arab neighbors to stay and live in peace and harmony. Yet, despite the clear, unambiguous words of the Arab observers at the time, history has been successfully rewritten to turn the Jews into the bad guys.
The Arab states that initiated the hostilities have never accepted responsibility _ despite their enormous wealth and their ability to assimilate tens of millions of refugees in their largely under-populated nations. And other states have failed to hold them accountable. Today, of course, this cruel charade continues. The suffering of millions of Arabs is perpetuated only for political purposes by the Arab states. They are merely pawns in the war to destroy Israel.
There were some 100 million refugees around the world following World War II. The Palestinian Arab group is the only one in the world not absorbed or integrated into their own people's lands. Since then, millions of Jewish refugees from around the world have been absorbed in the tiny nation of Israel. It makes no sense to expect that same tiny Jewish state to solve a refugee crisis it did not create. Do you think the Arabs really care about the plight of their refugees? I would submit to you that Israel, of all the Middle East states, has treated the Arab refugees with more fairness and more compassion. Let me give you an example of what I'm talking about :
The Jordan Times reports that "Palestinian refugees in Lebanon, who have long been denied many civil rights including the right to work, now face a new obstacle in their precarious lives." Under a bill introduced by parliament last year, Palestinian Arabs will be deprived of their right to own property. Those who already own property will not be able to pass it on to their children. Now just imagine if Israel passed such a law? Can you imagine the international outcry? What would the United Nations have to say about this? How would the media establishment in the West view such a Draconian ploy? Yet, this is happening in an Arab country virtually without comment _ except here. And take a look at the transparent rationale for this action in Lebanon, as described in the Jordan Times: "The Lebanese parliament passed the law on the grounds that it wants to protect the right of the Palestinian refugees to return eventually to their homes which they fled after the creation of the state of Israel on Palestinian lands in 1948."
Don't you love that? "We are protecting your rights by denying your rights." While Israel has bent over backwards to accommodate the Palestinian Arabs _ especially those victimized by the 1948 war _ the Arab nations have only sought to exploit their misery. That exploitation continues today. It is overt. It is a matter of law. Yet the world sees it not. Ever since I wrote a column in October 2000 called "Myths of the Middle East," readers from around the world have asked me what is meant by the term "Palestinian." The simple answer is that it means what Yasser Arafat wants it to mean.
Arafat himself was born in Egypt. He later moved to Jerusalem. Indeed, most of the Arabs living within the borders of Israel today have come from some other Arab country at some time in their life. Arabs continue to flock into Israel today. They continue to move into the Palestinian Authority. They immigrated there even before it left Israeli control. The Arabs have built 261 settlements in the West Bank since 1967. We don't hear much about those settlements. We hear instead about the number of Jewish settlements that have been created. We hear how destabilizing they are _ how provocative they are. Yet, by comparison, only 144 Jewish settlements have been built since 1967 _ including those surrounding Jerusalem, in the West Bank and in Gaza.
Is this a new phenomenon? Absolutely not. This has always been the case. Arabs have been flocking to Israel and its environs ever since it was created and even before, coinciding with the wave of Jewish immigration into Palestine prior to 1948. Winston Churchill said in 1939: "So far from being persecuted, the Arabs have crowded into the country and multiplied till their population has increased more than even all world Jewry could lift up the Jewish population."
And that raises a question I never hear anyone ask: If Israel's policies make life so intolerable for Arabs, why do they continue to flock to the Jewish state? This is an important question as we see the Palestinian debate now shift to the issue of "the right of return." According to the most liberal claims by Arab sources, some 600,000 to 700,000 Arabs left Israel in and around 1948 when the Jewish state was created. Most were not forced out by Jews, but rather left at the urging of Arab leaders who had declared war on Israel. Yet, there are far more Arabs living in these territories now than ever before. And many of those who left in 1948 and thereafter actually had roots in other Arab nations. This is why it is so difficult to define the term "Palestinian." It always has been. What does it mean? Who is a "Palestinian"? Is it someone who came to work in Palestine because of a bustling economy and job opportunities? Is it someone who lived in the region for two years? Five years? Ten years? Is it someone who once visited the area? Is it any Arab who wants to live in the area?
Though Arabs outnumber Jews in the Middle East by a factor of about 100 to one, the Arab population of Palestine was historically extremely low _ prior to the Jews' renewed interest in the area beginning in the early 1900s. For instance, a travel guide to Palestine and Syria, published in 1906 by Karl Baedeker, illustrates the fact that, even when the Islamic Ottoman Empire ruled the region, the Muslim population in Jerusalem was minimal. The book estimates the total population of the city at 60,000, of whom 7,000 were Muslims, 13,000 were Christians and 40,000 were Jews.
"The number of Jews has greatly risen in the last few decades, in spite of the fact that they are forbidden to immigrate or to possess landed property," the book states. Even though the Jews were persecuted, still they came to Jerusalem and represented the overwhelming majority of the population as early as 1906. Why was the Muslim population so low? After all, we're told that Jerusalem is the third holiest city in Islam. Surely, if this were a widely held belief in 1906, more of the devout would have settled there. The truth is that the Jewish presence in Jerusalem and throughout the Holy Land persisted throughout its bloody history, as is documented in Joan Peters' milestone history on the origins of the Arab-Jewish conflict in the region, "From Time Immemorial." It is also true that the Arab population increased following Jewish immigration into the region. The Arabs came because of economic activity. And, believe it or not, they came because there was more freedom and more opportunity in Israel than in their own homelands.
It's time to inject the component of freedom into the discussion. In recent years Freedom House, the human-rights organization that monitors the way the nations of the world treat their own citizens, has found a there's a big trend worldwide away from totalitarianism and authoritarianism and toward freedom _ except in the Arab world. There are 22 Arab states _ all varying degrees of police states. If the U.S. continues pushing for a Palestinian state under the leadership of Yasser Arafat, there will be 23.
Let's hope and pray that this administration is beginning to get it. There are some strong indications that is the case. The impending Iraq campaign could represent a watershed event in the history of the Middle East. Imagine a free Iraq. Imagine a free Afghanistan. Imagine a free Iran. Imagine a free Lebanon. It could happen. If we set out goals high and we act responsibly and we are courageous and steadfast in waging this war on terrorism _ this war we did not start _ it could happen. ]
after reading this, I hope u can see a reason why a Jew like myself will get emotionally upset when someone sympathiszes with the ones trying to destroy our small nation!!
LEts see where this goes!!!!
I LOVED THE QUOTES FROM THE NEWSPAPERS!!! I GOTTA USE THOSE QUOTES MORE OFTEN!!
SHLOMO ELIYAHU
I definetely agree with the article with respects to one issue. The refugees in the West Bank and the Gaza strip. Many of the surrounding Arab states have made it a point to highlight the terrible conditions of the refugee camps and place the blame on Israel. However after the creation of Israel, Israel offered citizenry to every person in its lands regardless of race or religion. Additionally it opened its doors to any Jew from any country. However after the invasion of the Arab states, and many of the refugees took haven in Egypt and Jordan they were never given acceptance to assimliate into Egypt or Jordan. I think that part of the reason they were kept as refugees and not assimiliated were to serve as political agendas for Syria, Jordan, and Egypt to oust Israel. I find that those countries are just as at fault for the Palestinan situation as Israel is.
do we not name sources, then, slo'mo'?
well I just read that very long article which as always omits all of the information. I grow utterly weary of the apologists. I will ask you one question. One one simple question.
WHAT DID YOU DO TO THE ARABS AT DEIR YASSIN?
You people make me sick. You may have lots of people in the west fooled, but the palestinians know what you did. They live in refugee camps because you people stole their land. ITS THAT FUCKING SIMPLE.
Any decent people would feel shame at a history that is one long episode of murder, robbery, betrayal and dispossesion. But no you always have to justify yourselves, covering up your crimes with platitudes.
Maybe, just maybe the Arabs hate you people so much because they know what you are like.
You arent going to beat them, whether it takes 10 years or 100 years, they will beat you
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| Originally posted by rupert WHAT DID YOU DO TO THE ARABS AT DEIR YASSIN? |
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| Originally posted by occrider I definetely agree with the article with respects to one issue. The refugees in the West Bank and the Gaza strip. Many of the surrounding Arab states have made it a point to highlight the terrible conditions of the refugee camps and place the blame on Israel. However after the creation of Israel, Israel offered citizenry to every person in its lands regardless of race or religion. Additionally it opened its doors to any Jew from any country. However after the invasion of the Arab states, and many of the refugees took haven in Egypt and Jordan they were never given acceptance to assimliate into Egypt or Jordan. I think that part of the reason they were kept as refugees and not assimiliated were to serve as political agendas for Syria, Jordan, and Egypt to oust Israel. I find that those countries are just as at fault for the Palestinan situation as Israel is. |
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| Originally posted by rupert well I just read that very long article which as always omits all of the information. I grow utterly weary of the apologists. I will ask you one question. One one simple question. WHAT DID YOU DO TO THE ARABS AT DEIR YASSIN? You people make me sick. You may have lots of people in the west fooled, but the palestinians know what you did. They live in refugee camps because you people stole their land. ITS THAT FUCKING SIMPLE. Any decent people would feel shame at a history that is one long episode of murder, robbery, betrayal and dispossesion. But no you always have to justify yourselves, covering up your crimes with platitudes. Maybe, just maybe the Arabs hate you people so much because they know what you are like. You arent going to beat them, whether it takes 10 years or 100 years, they will beat you |
Shlomo_hamalech, how old are you?
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| Originally posted by shlomo_hamalech hahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha good job proving us right anyone who says anything wrong with this article. Historically, and factually its 100% correct. You haved erred my friends! Rupert, you jew hating ignoramous, there are no such thing as palestinians, and you think these arabs will beat the jews now? you are just like amalek, egypt, greece, rome, the persians, the crusaders, the spanish, the germans and now the arabs, that always thought THEY COULD DESTROY THE JEWS!!! but with all your baseless lies and filth you constantly pour into the world, as well as UNNECESSARY HATRED you do nothing but support additional unneeded bloodshed!!!!! http://www.zoa.org/pubs/DeirYassin.htm (insider note. Because it was written by a jewish organization based on the keeping the truth open to all, im sure any anti-semite will throw away the facts, and over 157 sources here for his emotional hatred of the jews and any excuse no matter how wrong the excuse is, to show him correct in hating the jews, but as we know today, there is no justifacation for 'mass-group-hatred' so keep a lookout for anyone that wants to say facts and sources are no longer valid if given by jewish people...) About Deir Yassin, here is a long article with 157 sources. Obviously that means nothing to you!! And how many massacres happened against the jews from the same arabs??? the massacres JUST in the 30's even ??? You are one sided in your unjust hatred! If your logic is that we massacred in DEIR YASSIN, then by the same logic shouldn't you scorn them for their massacres of jews from the early 1900's onward??? Obviously not you subjective anti-semetic piece of shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! additionally this: Hazen Nusseibeh, an editor of the Palestine Broadcasting Service's Arabic news in 1948, was interviewed for the BBC television series "Israel and the Arabs: the 50-year conflict." He describes an encounter with Deir Yassin survivors and Palestinian leaders, including Hussein Khalidi, the secretary of the Arab Higher Committee, at the Jaffa Gate of Jerusalem's Old City. "I asked Dr. Khalidi how we should cover the story," recalled Nusseibeh, now living in Amman. He said, "We must make the most of this". So we wrote a press release stating that at Deir Yassin children were murdered, pregnant women were raped. All sorts of atrocities." A Deir Yassin survivor, identified as Abu Mahmud, said the villagers protested at the time. "We said, 'there was no rape.' Khalidi said, 'We have to say this, so the Arab armies will come to liberate Palestine from the Jews'." ***SOURCE: http://www.etzel.org.il/english/ac17.htm COMMON LOGIC AND EVERYTHING ELSE UNDER THE SUN SHOWS YOUR BIAS, FULL OF BASELESS HATRED, AND BASE YOUR HEART ON YOUR EMOTIONS ABOUT SOMETHING YOU OBVIOUSLY KNOW NOTHING ABOUT!!! WHY DO PEOPLE LIKE RUPERT RESORT TO PROPAGANDA FOR THEIR REASONS TO WANT TO KILL AND DESTROY JEWISH LAND? answers to that and more here! http://www.yahoodi.com/peace/deiryassin.html quote: I grow utterly weary of the apologists. you grow tired of people that want to be objective and not lead to unwarranted hatred??? Well your kind had their chance! its called the nazi's!! And you know what? THE WORLD KNOWS HOW WRONG THEY WERE. The facts from that article written by a NON - JEW ARAB AMERICAN of all people shows some level of objectivity you doubt I have, even more so, From Time Immemorial: The Origins of the Arab-Jewish Conflict over Palestine by Joan Peters , is even more fact into the claims made by anyone against what I or Melech_mike say. if your interested click here:From Time Immemorial: The Origins of the Arab-Jewish Conflict over Palestine by Joan Peters This is the final straw. We have brought out the facts, and been faced with attacks based on hatred and nothing more. I call on ALL OUR TRANCE BROTHERS AND SISTERS TO ERADICATE THIS HATRED BASED ON NOTHING BUT LIES AND PROPAGANDA AND FOR US TO UNITE AND 1 PEOPLE!! THE PEOPLE OF EARTH!!! AND EMBRACE THE BEAUTY OF NATURE, AND ALL OUR DIFFERENCES AS PEOPLE THAT MAKE EACH ONE OF US UNIQUE!!! JUST LIKE 1 PERSON HAS RED HAIR, AND ONE BLACK HAIR, SO TOO ONE HAS SUCH CULTURE, AND ONE HAS SUCH-AND-SUCH CULTURE!!! The line MUST BE DRAWN TODAY because this hatred cannot go on further!!! My friends we bring you the facts and the pleas to be objective and logical in your thinking!!! We ask that you join us not in slaughter, but in being aware of the tremendous hatred in the world today, and only by finding the hatred, the seeds of it, and CRUSHING THE SEEDS OF HATRED today, can we prevent even 1 DROP OF BLOODSHED TOMMOROW!!!!!!!!!!!! an ounce of prevention is worth 10 pounds of cure!! lets prevent the additional spread today!!! I try to love all people even dispite our differences, but where my life and the life of my to-be family are threatened in the idea of ability to exist within our own country, then we must join together, all lovers of *TRUE PEACE* BASED ON TRUTH AND LOVE, and eradicate all forms of hatred!!! Not through death, but through teaching, and by extracting the hatred out of ourselves!! I am not perfect, but with your help my friends, we can find ourselves in true EUPHORIA!!! We unite by something that doesn't contain in itself a message, but through individual interpretation, we can each add how this scene has contributed to our understandings of the human condition!!!!!! I emplore you all as a victim of the biggest onslaught of propaganda today.... Open your arms to your human brothers!! Learn from one another... but don't erase the line where it exists concerning evil!!! this world is not perfect, and the evil MUST BE DESTROYED!! only then can we share in a pool of purity of thought and idea's without the blackness of corruption, hatred, greed, propaganda, and lies!!!!! What do you all have to say to this??? Shlomo Eliyahu |
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| Originally posted by rupert well I just read that very long article which as always omits all of the information. I grow utterly weary of the apologists. I will ask you one question. One one simple question. WHAT DID YOU DO TO THE ARABS AT DEIR YASSIN? You people make me sick. You may have lots of people in the west fooled, but the palestinians know what you did. They live in refugee camps because you people stole their land. ITS THAT FUCKING SIMPLE. Any decent people would feel shame at a history that is one long episode of murder, robbery, betrayal and dispossesion. But no you always have to justify yourselves, covering up your crimes with platitudes. Maybe, just maybe the Arabs hate you people so much because they know what you are like. You arent going to beat them, whether it takes 10 years or 100 years, they will beat you |
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| Originally posted by rupert well I just read that very long article which as always omits all of the information. I grow utterly weary of the apologists. I will ask you one question. One one simple question. WHAT DID YOU DO TO THE ARABS AT DEIR YASSIN? You people make me sick. You may have lots of people in the west fooled, but the palestinians know what you did. They live in refugee camps because you people stole their land. ITS THAT FUCKING SIMPLE. Any decent people would feel shame at a history that is one long episode of murder, robbery, betrayal and dispossesion. But no you always have to justify yourselves, covering up your crimes with platitudes. Maybe, just maybe the Arabs hate you people so much because they know what you are like. You arent going to beat them, whether it takes 10 years or 100 years, they will beat you |
ha ha ha
well i backed my part up with articles.. about the massacre... you can think there was, but research it well before u make assumptions.
The fact is that the situation is ugly, and its just going to get uglier. More and more people have views like rupert and nalin, and they are not even from either side of the groups! (jew or arab). The fuel they provide for the hatred will grow, until everyone is suffering and wishing it would stop. But whoever causes this hatred to grow bigger and bigger will soon get burned by the fire that they fuel.
keep it up guys.
shlomo eliyahu
as people that listen to trance.. i expect more from your perspectives
you can post as many articles as you want but the majority will never believe you because of the fact that you are biased and the sources you get your articles from are as biased as you are. Maybe even more biased then you are.
I just want to recommend to stop your mission, because you are only making a fool out of yourself, and you make people hate Jews even more....
- I always like looking at both sides of the coin, and from there I start judging, and or coming up with a conclusion. Many are just exposed to one side of the coin, and the other side is never seen, so people just follow what they see on that one side, and they stick to that one side thinking thats the only one, but no.. thats not the case, there's also the other side which must be observed as well.. and in-between those 2 sides, there's the middle.. where both meet. Just a thought I wanted to post on.. 
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| you can post as many articles as you want but the majority will never believe you because of the fact that you are biased and the sources you get your articles from are as biased as you are. Maybe even more biased then you are. I just want to recommend to stop your mission, because you are only making a fool out of yourself, and you make people hate Jews even more.... |
Chill out people ... last time i checked this wasnt the obsceneties and cursing forum. This goes for people on both sides of the issue.
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| Originally posted by melech_mike Shut the fuck up!! You can step down as Moderator for the simple fact that your obviously bias on many issues surrounding the middle east. I just wanted to recommend to you that you stop your mission of being so fuckin' ignorant because your making everone from the Netherlands look just as bad! Sources... If you feel one is bias, look to another, and another and another until you find enough sources (that are credible) to paint you an objective picture. The information and the way its presented in his sites may or may not be bias, but the facts are the facts - and you cant fuck with those. There is no lies, propaganda, historical falasies, ect that you might find in other sources (ie. majority of the arab press). Fuck you Blik! *looking for the middle finger symbol* |
seriously, you guys need to chill out and let go of all that anger
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| Originally posted by Blik I just want to recommend to stop your mission, because you are only making a fool out of yourself, and you make people hate Jews even more.... |
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| Originally posted by melech_mike Shut the fuck up!! You can step down as Moderator for the simple fact that your obviously bias on many issues surrounding the middle east. I just wanted to recommend to you that you stop your mission of being so fuckin' ignorant because your making everone from the Netherlands look just as bad! Sources... If you feel one is bias, look to another, and another and another until you find enough sources (that are credible) to paint you an objective picture. The information and the way its presented in his sites may or may not be bias, but the facts are the facts - and you cant fuck with those. There is no lies, propaganda, historical falasies, ect that you might find in other sources (ie. majority of the arab press). |
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| Originally posted by Nalin if there is anything worse then the fact that there are so many more like you, its the fact that there are so many more like you in the American government |
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| Originally posted by TranceGiant Blik you made me very angry with this statement. I do not trust you as a neutral moderator anymore. |
not exactly the most PC thing I've read and not very appropriate coming from a moderator
i disagree, i thought what Blik said was very appropriate
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| Originally posted by Nalin i disagree, i thought what Blik said was very appropriate |
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| Originally posted by Nalin if there is anything worse then the fact that there are so many more like you, its the fact that there are so many more like you in the American government |
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