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Pioneer CDJs, 800 or 1000 ?

i'm gonna try and get 1 of these soon, my setup is all silver and the 800 is silver with the same use as the 1000 minus a memory card and wave display but some other shit, but i can't find out what it is. its also 300 quid cheaper. but i will get the 1000 instead in somebody can persuade me how its so much better

cheers
Luke

buy the 1000's, or the new denon cd deck (it think it is called ds-5000), forget about all the silverish line, go for quality, and remeber: black is the color!

the new denon deck had been getting some great reviews recently but i dont know if it is better than the 1000s! i like the look of the new denons but i think you should try and have a shot of both if its possible before you decide to buy!

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Originally posted by big dave the new denon deck had been getting some great reviews recently but i dont know if it is better than the 1000s! i like the look of the new denons but i think you should try and have a shot of both if its possible before you decide to buy!

I second getting the Denon DN5000S CD TURN TABLE in its true meaning of the name, why? well cause the plate on top actually spins just like your vinyl t-table, basically take the 12" plate of your t-table and shrink it to 7", lol! This makes so much easier to queue a CD, back queue, and scratching is hell of a lot easier. Denon also utilizes DVD ROM drive train which produces much less stress on the CD T-table and torque is much higher, plus it is built as a component, so should it break, very highly doubtfull that it ever will, all you need to do is replace the component. Here is another industry first and exclusive, if you are like me, make your own singles out of downloaded music on web and put a few tracks on each disk, with Denon DN 5000S you can play one track out to the crowd, and CUE another track from the same CD via Auxiliary function, plus with a built in HOT TRAY, meaning CD T-Table automatically stores last 35 seconds of current playing track, so with 35seconds to go you can go ahead and take it out and start cueing another CD, come to think of it, with just those two functions, you can actually get away with just one unit, lol!!! All of this plus all other bells and wissles that CDJ 800&1000 have, Denon DN5000S is cheaper. here is a link to my friends DJ Equipement store with Technical Data for U

Denon DN 5000S AT DJMART- OnLine DJ Equipment Store

I have the CDJ800 and i think its amazing!!

The build obviously isnt as tough as the 1000 but for home use its worth saving that �300 imo, wave display again wudda been nice but again not worth �300 more!!

The Denon one looks great too but i think The Pioneers like Technichs did with Turntables have allready taken the 'industry standard' slot in the clubs.

who cares about industry standard when the denon looks so fuckin sexy! I want 7. NOW!

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Originally posted by str0be The Denon one looks great too but i think The Pioneers like Technichs did with Turntables have allready taken the 'industry standard' slot in the clubs.

Oh My friend how wrong you are, true Denon and Pioneer both make the best DJ CD players, and Denon DN 5000S is the only one in the world that can be actually called DJ CD-T-table. Take a look at this picture of My Dream DJ Booth Set UP:


all you see is 3 Denon dual CD Players Plus those are Denon T-tables on each corner, hehehe lol! Can you guess where this drool over DJ Booth Set Up is? and yes those are all RANE Mixers, and a single DJ CD Player is a CDJ1000, Denon has the Club scenes, just like technics has it for t-tables. Pioneer is used by some clubs, but not too many and usually if you see one in a club, it is 90% of the time belonging to one of the performing DJs that night.

Hey, where did you get that pic of my room?

Denon DN5000S looks very good...

Nice DJ Booth, is it MOS?

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and actually any other venue i can think of that i visit while i go clubbing here in the UK use the CDJ's. So i wuddent quite say "there not used by too many clubs" as u did. Actually i have yet so see a Denon CD Deck in a club yet, im pretty sure i'll be seeing one in the future somewhare tho.

That beauty of a DJ Booth Set Up is actually the CLUB MINISTRY OF SOUND ITSELF, something to add to Chrismas Wish List.. lol!!!

I talked to my buddy that owns an online DJ equipment store and he said that they sell much more of the New Denons N9000 and DN5000S to clubs, and to recording studios, and to producers, who he couldn't tell me 'cause of clientelle privacy and I actually didn't want to know, just wanted to find out which one is a better seller and without hesitation he said Denon and that they actually have hard time keeping DN5000S in stock, as they sell out almost as soon as they come in., I've played with CDJ 800 and I messed around with DN5000S, which I'll gladly pay additional 200.00 USD over cdj800 anyday. vs CDJ1000, tried it, didn't like it, the jog wheel just doesn't feel right when it doesn't spin, ya know.

hehe i guess we will just have to wait a couple of years to see which one does take on industry standard status i guess? I would say the pioneer is much more popular in the UK at the moment, but in saying that the Denon is a newer deck so like i said we'll have to wait and see! i have heard tho as great as the Denon is in its features it dont quite emulate vinyl as good as the CDJ's do? its like a tech and vestax innit, the vestax is on paper the better deck! but it aint like that in reality is it! Technics just 'work' with ur body!!!

Anyhow! All great CD Decks at the end of the day!

2 things tho!

1. As nice as that Booth looks are u aware that the MOS is the most pathetic thing that ever happened to the UK club scene?
everything about it sucks!

2. Its not supposed to spin! Its not a Vinyl Turntable, it has no need to spin, its fooken digital!!!

ok people, you will find that that pic is the old MOS booth, they have updated it now, cant quite remember how tho, sorry

neway the point of this post it this....

they are not denon decks in the corners, they are actaully 1210 mk2's cos they have 6 going along the top, tho two side decks are vestax pdx 2000's ( i think thats the name for them)

and while im here, just for the record they now have an A&H mixer (well ive been told) and they arn't all denon cd decks, 1 of them is actually MD ( on the left i think)

How many people have tried telling you what to get without telling you why, or have fed rumours or gossip into the thread?

Cutting through the crap, what you buy depends on your mixing experience, your DJing needs and your budget.

* You're not going to be bothered about the difference in how the Denon / Pioneer jog wheel performs when scratching if you're not a turntablist already. If you've never scratched, you'll be happy learning on either.

* The 1000 has more accurate pitching than the 800. I think the 1000 offers 0.02% and the 800 offers 0.05%. Both of these are better than the Denon which has 0.1% accuracy. However, this will only make any difference if you're used to 1210s or high quality turntables, because, if you're not used to pitch slider accuracy, you won't miss it when it's not there. IMO opinion, 0.1% is not accurate enough - you can't leave tracks in the mix for >1min without adjustment like you can with a 1210. But like I said, if you've only ever used CD turntables or low quality vinyl turntables this won't make enough difference to you to justify the extra money.

* One of my mates (diehard vinyl junkie) said he'd start using CD when you could see the track layout like you can with vinyl. Well, the 1000 appeared with wave display and he's still using vinyl. But, the point I'm making is that if you're used to being able to see the breaks etc. on vinyl, you might like the wave display. However, IMO you don't need it. There is no substitute for knowing what you're playing. You don't need to see what is going on when you already know when the break drops, that there's a four bar fill before the outro etc.

By the way, that MOS booth... Like, how the f**k are you going to mix with that many decks? Get all your mates in?

At first when i saw the Denon Pic i almost had an orgasm and after i saw the setup, i came.

thanks for the info TranceInMySoul you've cleared it up a lot for me I have sl-1200s so it's very important to me to get something that will sit well with them while mixing, I have borrowed DJRavemonkey's Numark CD Decks which have 0.1% accuracy which is definately not tight enough, especially compared to the infinite accuracy of the 1200s. It looks like the debate between the 800 and the 1000 is totally narrowed down to the 1000 now at least

BTW, that is the MoS booth before it got redone, most ofthe decks are now Stanton STR8-100s and they have CDJ1000s too along with asn allen + heath mixer with a custom effects unit

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Originally posted by TranceInMySoul By the way, that MOS booth... Like, how the f**k are you going to mix with that many decks? Get all your mates in?

Well of'course the booth isn't meant for one DJ to spin on 8 decks, three mixer, external effects processor, 2 dual Dennon CD players and a CDJ 1000, the booth is designed to accompany DJ's preference of type of mixer used , notice that they have a rotary mixer with rotary external processor, other two are Rane MP24z and Club MP44Z, two different Denon Dual CD DJ players Denon DN 1800F and Denon DF2600F. The whole set up is controlled by a laptop and the sound engineer, and any other component can be just added 'cause the whole booth is prewired for various other DJ equipment, thus the CDJ 1000 looks a bit out of place. And can you imagine how much easier it is to do a tag team set or a 2 X 4 battle sets?

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Originally posted by TranceInMySoul You're not going to be bothered about the difference in how the Denon / Pioneer jog wheel performs when scratching if you're not a turntablist already. If you've never scratched, you'll be happy learning on either. * The 1000 has more accurate pitching than the 800. I think the 1000 offers 0.02% and the 800 offers 0.05%. Both of these are better than the Denon which has 0.1% accuracy. However, this will only make any difference if you're used to 1210s or high quality turntables, because, if you're not used to pitch slider accuracy, you won't miss it when it's not there. IMO opinion, 0.1% is not accurate enough - you can't leave tracks in the mix for >1min without adjustment like you can with a 1210. But like I said, if you've only ever used CD turntables or low quality vinyl turntables this won't make enough difference to you to justify the extra money.

Ok, the motor driven jog plate isn't only for scratching, for someone like myself who is used to spinning vinyl only, the rotating plate would make it hell of a lot ealier and more accurate to cue up a track, plus I like to throw in a backspin effect on some tracks, and having motorized plate will make it easier and more accurate, plus I can do it while the CD is playing and queue the backspin on the same track and another track from same CD...

Let's get the technical jargon correct, shall we?????

Pioneer CDJ 1000 has
Tempo Control A new 100mm linear high precision slider connected to a 0.02% (at +/- 6%)
Tempo Control Range Ranges of +/- 6%, +/-10%, +/-16% and +/-24% can be assigned to the Tempo Control slider
RW Frequency Response: 4 Hz-20kHz Signal-to-Noise Ratio: 115 dB or more (EIAJ) Total Harmonic Distortion: 0.006%; Power Consumption: 33 W

Denon DN5000S
MAIN/ (Alpha) Track: �4% (0.05% step), �10% (0.1% step), �16% (0.1% step), �24% (0.1% step), �100% (1.0% step) Sampler: �24% (0.1% step)
Pitch Bend �12% (when variable pitch range is �4 or 10%), �26% (when variable pitch range is �16 or 24%), �100%(when variable pitch range is �100%)

Specifications: Frequency Response 20 Hz - 20 kHz Total Harmonic Distortion 0.005% S/N ratio 99 dB Channel Separation 85 dB Analog outputs of MAIN (ALPHA) MONITOR (1 kHz, 0 dB playback) Transfer and Connector Unbalanced, RCA connector Output Level 2.0 Vrms, 10 kohm Digital outputs Transfer and connector Coaxial Signal format SPDIF Dimensions; Power Consumption: 18W

You are correct though, about other ppls opinions, Go to a local store and play with them for your self, and see what feels more comfortable to you.But since you are only getting 1, you can pretty much get away for not having second one for mixing by getting Denon, 'cause as I've said before, not only can you play one track out and cue another track from same CD, you can actually eject the CD when it's about 35second left in the track and cue another CD right away, and if 35seconds isn't enough for you to queue another track or to blend it in, just go into special features of the unit and instantly create a loop to buy some more time.... I went to my friends shop and played with CDJ 800, CDJ 1000, Denon DN5000S and I really liked the feel of the Denon much better.

Don't think twice , simply save enough money and get Pioneer 1000's . They are unbelievable !

twice!!

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Originally posted by Arsalan At first when i saw the Denon Pic i almost had an orgasm and after i saw the setup, i came.

When pioneer gonna release mp3 version of DJ 1000?

As far as I know, they have no plans, I'm a member of their US forum and so far they are saying no new products coming out. Besides that have the DMP(digital Media Player) 555 out that's for mp3 and wma(I think):




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The DMP-555 is compatible with CD Audio and MP3 formats and will playback from both CD and SD Card. Since these are capable of storing a huge number of MP3 tracks and loops, the DMP-555 allows DJs to enhance their sets and mixes with the latest music from around the world.

When the slim, compact and portable SD Card is used for mixes, the DMP-555 effectively becomes a sampler. This ground-breaking innovation is possible because MP3 loops can be BPM sync'd to the CD output and then fired on cue. In addition, the Master Tempo control can be used to slow down or speed up SD audio, without the pitch being affected.

CD ripping, loop editing and music file management are simple operations with the bundled DJ Booth software. And because the application simulates a set-up using two Pioneer CD players and a mixer, it's easy to master the playback, mixing and editing functions in no time at all. It's even possible to control the software from the DMP-555 itself, making DJ Booth the most innovative and user-friendly application available to today's digital DJs.

Key Features SD Card The all new powerful, flexible and removable digital media. DMP-555 supports SD Audio format of SD Card.

MP3 Player The first ever DJ CD player with onboard MP3 capability. Compatible with CD-DA, CD-R, CD-RW and SD Card MP3 compression.

Dual Synchronous Play Playback from both CD and SD Card sources. Mix MP3 loops and samples from the SD Card with CD-DA audio.

3-Band Isolator From either CD or SD Card, cut out any one of the three frequencies (low: 280Hz and below, mid: 280Hz-6Khz, high: 6Khz and above).

CD and SD Card Control Panels Separate and dedicated panels for control of each source during Dual Synchronous Play, with all the usual Pioneer CDJ player functions.

SD Card Tempo Adjustment of SD Card BPM for Dual Play.

SD Card Pitch Bend Adjust the pitch of a loop or sample on SD Card during Dual Synchronous Play.

SD Card Mixout Control Mixes SD Card audio output with your CD audio playout during Synchronous Play.

SD Card Synchro Match and lock SD Card BPM to CD playout BPM, at the touch of a button during Synchronous Play.

SD Card Folder Search Navigate easily through SD Card contents. One Track Loop Set, Continuous loop of audio track on SD Card or CD.

Additional Features � Scratch Effect � Master Tempo � Tempo Select +/- 6%, +/- 10%, +/- 16% � Loop/Reloop � Loop Out Adjust � CD Text + large screen display � CD and SD Card Audio level meters � CD and SD Card BPM meters � CD Eject Lock � Eject and Power button guards � Front Loading � Digital Output � Anti-shock Memory � Legato Link Conversion � Relay Play � Audio Output � Card Monitor Output � Fader Start � USB 1.1 Interface � Auto Cue � Manual Cue � Time Mode � CD / SD Source Select � 100mm diameter Jog Wheel

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Music Management Category grouping by genre, BPM, edit track information and import music files.

DJ Play Simulation of 2 x CDJ players and a mixer.

Create Edit and create new loop samples, saved to PC Hard Disk.

Transfer Copy audio files to SD Card via USB.

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Operating Systems Windows 98SE / Me / 2000 / XP Home & Professional

Note: Windows 2000 needs an ASPI driver for CD-R/RW support

* Connection from PC to DMP-555 via USB



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The DMP-555 creates unprecedented opportunities for mixing audio downloaded from the Internet, allowing DJs to use a single unit to play authorized MP3 tracks from either a CD or Secure Digital (SD) Card. The compact and portable SD Card is quickly becoming the standard for high-capacity digital music storage.

By combining this technology with many of the stunning features established by Pioneer's Pro DJ range of CDJ Players, this unique Digital Media Player encourages DJs to experience new levels of creativity.

A sleek metallic finish stylishly encases an amazing array of technical features. These include highlights from the Pioneer CDJ range such as Seamless Loop, BPM Sync and the legendary Master Tempo.

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List price: $1,499.95 Hefty price tag though.

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