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Honest Reporting
(funny how my last honest reporting thread was deleted by the MODs without a trace.... perhaps they saw something they didn't like
... whatever the reason, here it is again.)
Honest Reporting is an organization set up to counter media bias against Israel available at honestreporting.com. It seems as though many media outlets have dropped they're standard of reporting when it comes to reporting on whats happening with Israel.
Many false accusation have been put forth by the media, and irreversable errors have been sent to print.
The Palestinian Authority shouldn't have launched they're PR war so soon, it seems as though the media is still in the middle of theirs against Israel.
In recent days the IDF has stepped up activity in Gaza, launching pinpoint strikes against known Hamas terrorist leaders. On Saturday, Ibrahim al-Maqadma, 51, a Hamas founder and active head of its "military wing," was eliminated by a pinpoint helicopter strike against his vehicle.
The Associated Press -- the world's most broadly syndicated news agency -- employs reporters Hassan Fattah, Nidal al-Mughrabi and Ibrahim Barzak to cover activities in Gaza. The following two AP dispatches reveal a palpable bias:
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On March 6, AP tried to downplay the necessity of IDF activity in Gaza: "One of the Israeli goals is to stop the rocket fire. Palestinians have been firing primitive, homemade Qassam rockets from northern Gaza at the Israeli town of Sderot. Most of them miss their target, and those that land cause little damage with their small explosive warheads. No one has been seriously injured by a Qassam rocket, but Israel's government is determined to stop the attacks."
Yet as illustrated on the CNN website
(http://honestreporting.com/a/r/355.asp), the Qassam 2 rocket is anything but primitive. With a payload of up to 11 pounds of explosives, a range of over 6 miles, high mobility, and the potential to deliver non-conventional warheads, the missile constitutes an extremely serious threat. Given the close proximity of many Palestinian regions to Israeli citizens, the proliferation and deployment of the Qassam 2 must be addressed with utmost seriousness by any responsible Israeli government.
The ongoing, unhampered firing of Qassams into Israel (see
http://www.tribuneindia.com/2002/20020217/world1.jpg) breaches a fundamental defensive barrier, regardless of the low accuracy that
presently characterizes a Qassam salvo. To suggest, as AP does, that
Israel is unwarranted in defending itself against this new airborne
threat, is at the very least an unwelcome insertion of the author's
opinion into an ostensibly objective report.
Regarding the innocuous nature of the Qassam 2, perhaps AP would profit from a discussion with Sderot's Sima Naamat, the mother of one-year-old Shilo Naamat, who sustained injuries from a Qassam rocket that required two surgical procedures to repair broken bones this past Wednesday night.
As Ms. Naamat stated regarding her infant son, "I found him lying in
blood, full of pieces of shrapnel" (see http://israelinsider.com/channels/s...es/sec_0212.htm). This latest attack was by no means an isolated incident: For over eight months, residents of the Negev town of Sderot -- which lies inside the Green Line -- have been the target of ongoing Palestinian mortar shelling and rockets.
The fact that the Qassam rocket may be assembled in a residential building -- thereby rendering it "homemade" -- in no way lessens its deadliness, or the escalation it threatens to bring to the conflict. AP's Hassan Fattah would have the world believe otherwise.
Read the AP article at:
http://honestreporting.com/a/r/356.asp
Comments to:
[email protected]
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Two major events occurred in the 24-hour period between Friday evening and Saturday evening: the aforementioned IDF helicopter strike against Hamas leader Ibrahim al-Maqadma, and a deadly terrorist attack against Jewish residents of Kiryat Arba that left the parents of four children dead at their Shabbat table.
In a not-so-subtle imbalance, Associated Press
(http://honestreporting.com/a/r/357.asp) allots the first 780 of its 890 words to the IDF strike and its political implications, stressing continually the revenge demanded by local Palestinians for the elimination of the Hamas leader. No fewer than six irate Palestinian responses are quoted, including condemnations from the Palestinian Authority, Hamas spokesmen, and Gaza street demonstrators.
Only those readers who wade through to the end of the piece are informed -- inaccurately and without meriting even the devotion of a complete sentence -- that "on Friday Hamas gunmen killed two Jewish settlers when they infiltrated the West Bank settlement Kiryat Arba and opened fire on settlers gathering for prayers."
In fact, American-born Eliahu and Dina Horowitz were gunned down while quietly enjoying their Shabbat evening meal in their own home. Five others were injured -- including a woman who remains in serious but stable condition -- by the Horowitz' murderers, who dressed up as Jewish yeshiva students to gain entry to the area.
In addition, AP attaches gruesome details only to the Hamas leader's
death, which turned his car "into a smoking skeleton and scatter[ed] body parts along a Gaza road." An earlier version of the AP story
(http://honestreporting.com/a/r/358.asp) adds a macabre eyewitness quotation: "'I was about to open my shop when suddenly a helicopter came from the sky,' said Abdullah Ali, 60, a grocery shop owner who was covered with blood from the strike. 'I saw legs and hands fly in the air and then suddenly I fell down on the ground.'"
No such dramatics accompany the coverage of the anonymous Horowitz', who receive merely the deprecating modifier "settlers" twice. We can assume there was no shortage of witnesses to the post-shooting scene at the Horowitz home.
To the eyes of the world, Jewish terror victims are left faceless, and the Israeli army is a provocative instigator of the fuming Palestinian mass.
Such were the past 24 hours in Israel, in the AP's official account.
Again, comments may be submitted to:
[email protected]
What happend to the Associated Press's objectivity?
Why employ 3 Arabs to do your 'unbias' reporting of whats happening with Israel. There are obviously personal agendas presented here through the AP, who have in recent months been bashed from they're unbalanced perspective of world affairs.
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| Originally posted by melech_mike that left the parents of four children dead at their Shabbat table. |
They probably killed your thred cuz there sick of all this arab jew conflict stuff. I think there trying to cut back on the flame.
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| Originally posted by Blik |
Again there trying to cut back on flame.
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| Again there trying to cut back on flame. |
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| Originally posted by melech_mike flame... what am i posting that has 'flame' in it? How the fuck do you know what they are trying to do, have they updated you and no one else? I'd like to ask you not to post ignorant comments like this, you do not know why it was originally taken down, and no excuse from you will justify they're actions. It's up to the MOD who took down the thread to justify why it was taken down to the rest of the forum! I dont want this thread to be all up in flames, i simply want TA's to see the inequality of media coverage that is so prevalent around the world today against Israel. |
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| Originally posted by Mental Exodus hmmmmm..... http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...&threadid=92583 |
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| Originally posted by melech_mike What does that have to do with my thread in particular... ? Why was my thread selected out of the whole lot that are available on this forum? My last 'Honest Reporting' thread had very little flame in it if any. Your last post proved/showed nothing to me! |
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| Originally posted by melech_mike whats up with that? you think its a joke that 4 kids will be growing up without parents? you think its a joke that while this family was sitting down to eat friday night meal, they were executed? why the fuck are you rolling you fuckin eyes? |
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| Originally posted by Blik By that one little sentence I quoted you can see the source is bias. Why aren't the kids from those killed Palestinians mentioned? probably because the reporters don't give a fuck about it |
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| Originally posted by melech_mike you think its a joke that 4 kids will be growing up without parents? you think its a joke that while this family was sitting down to eat friday night meal, they were executed? |
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| My last 'Honest Reporting' thread had very little flame in it if any. |
"honest reporting"
hey mike...what exactly is your goal on posting everyday in the political forum dude..showing how great israel and how crap the arabs are..we get it dude..we get it..ISRAEL=Understood country..ARABS=bunch of cry babies and all is whats wrong with the world..there happy now..everyday same topic israel is this israel that..arabs this arabs that..we get the point now can we discusss other issues..for a change
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| Originally posted by Mental Exodus 1.) The link shows why your thred "might" have been trashed in my opinion. 2.) I dont know why your thred was selected ask the mods. 3.) I dont think the history of your threds matters in this case. Again its my opinion. 4.) CHILL OUT MAN....... its just a thred. It might be about Isreal and everything but its still just a thred. |
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| Originally posted by Blik By that one little sentence I quoted you can see the source is bias. Why aren't the kids from those killed Palestinians mentioned? probably because the reporters don't give a fuck about it |
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| Originally posted by Cyrus King Melech-mike.. you just got raped! Blik.. i actually thought that myself when i read it |
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| Originally posted by PeacefulWarrior this is all very tragic. i think what people are implying is that it's calluos to just mourn for the victims of your side. |
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| Originally posted by PeacefulWarrior lol "honest reporting" |
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| Originally posted by tranceaholic hey mike...what exactly is your goal on posting everyday in the political forum dude..showing how great israel and how crap the arabs are..we get it dude..we get it..ISRAEL=Understood country..ARABS=bunch of cry babies and all is whats wrong with the world..there happy now..everyday same topic israel is this israel that..arabs this arabs that..we get the point now can we discusss other issues..for a change |
. Its not me who's showing the world what Arabs equal; its the whole Arab world showing the the rest of us who they are, and what they equal. And frankly, its pretty damn frightening!!!
Personally I think the most important subject here is making sure to my trance brethren that everyone keeps their heads clean of all the propaganda floating around, maybe u want me to say on 'either side'?? So basically... I try to keep flowing in with this subject because its hot topic, and any one of you could oneday realize there is something fishy going on here, and u can too start searching out the truth because it will ultimately affect you!
melech does his own thing whatever it is, but other guys like yeopus and izzy also had often been found to respond to people's babbling of 'massacres' to further the claims against Israel.
Today when I can inform even 1 person of the truth out there it is like im saving the world!!
there is a saying... if 1 man can kill 6 million people, then 1 man can save 6 million people!!!!
And I want to make sure I'm doing my part, here on the forum, and MANY OTHER PLACES As well to keep things moving.
IF oyu guys are upset with people that post on this issue, then just read the next thread!!! For those interested, and we see the same people responding... then keep it up... maybe one day we will break thru that mushy part and hit the brain!!
SHLOMO ELIYAHU
p.s. any of u want to see first hand how it is? Come to ISRAEL for yourself. You can chill by me, and you can see first hand how it is... but im sure you dont want to... so as a last resort of your babbling guys about how ISrael is the aggressor etc... come and live it here with me and see for yourself and then come here and post!!
its easy to talk without FIRST HAND KNOWLEDGE.
Will New Palestinian PM be able to make peace?
Arafat's Prime Minister
Arafat keeps his grip on the reigns of power, and appoints a Holocaust-denier to handle daily affairs.
This week, Yasser Arafat appointed Mahmoud Abbas ("Abu Mazen") as prime minister to run the day-to-day affairs of the Palestinians.
On Wednesday, Arafat then met in his Ramallah office with representatives of Russia, the EU, and the UN, and demanded they put pressure on Israel -- now that he has agreed to share powers with a prime minister.
As BBC reports on Arafat: "The Palestinian leader has thrown his weight behind the reform process." (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2833739.stm), and that "Mr Arafat has been told that easing his grip on power is a key condition to restart peace talks."
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2838419.stm)
Actually, since Arafat hand-picked Abbas, it does not satisfy the world's demand for the introduction of democratic reforms into the Palestinian system.
And since it turns out that Arafat is maintaining control of two crucial portfolios -- security and peace negotiations -- the Abbas appointment also does not satisfy President Bush's demand for "new leadership not compromised by terror."
As the Jerusalem Post writes: "The whole American-European-Israeli idea was to transform Yasser Arafat into a figurehead and transfer power to a more palatable replacement. That, so far, is clearly not what is happening."
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satell...d=1047277720074
---- Media Spin ----
Let's look at how the media is spinning this one.
For starters, The Guardian's Conal Urquhart (his real name) writes: "Mr Abbas has the stature and ability to sign a peace deal independently..."
http://guardian.co.uk/international...,910006,00.html
This assertion should come as quite a surprise to Arafat, who gave Abbas no such "ability." (Comments to: [email protected][/email])
And The Independent (UK) trumpets this headline: "Palestinians Vote for Powerful Premier"
http://news.independent.co.uk/world...sp?story=385882
"Powerful"?! (Comments to: [email protected])
By contrast, the Chicago Tribune's headline spoke the plain truth:
"Arafat remains boss in deal to appoint prime minister: PLO chief keeps reins on police, talks for peace"
---- Background: Who is Abbas? ----
Mahmoud Abbas holds a Ph.D. in history from Moscow's Oriental College, where his doctoral thesis served as a basis for his 1984 book, "The Other Side: the Secret Relationship Between Nazism and Zionism." In this book, Abbas raised doubts that gas chambers were used for extermination of Jews, and suggested that the number of Jews murdered in the Holocaust was "less than a million."
Abbas also proposed the sickening, bizarre claim that the Holocaust was a joint Zionist-Nazi plot. He wrote: "The Zionist movement led a broad campaign of incitement against the Jews living under Nazi rule, in order to arouse the government's hatred of them, to fuel vengeance against them, and to expand the mass extermination."
It was this type of talk that led Austrian Freedom Party leader Jorg Haider and French politician Jean Marie Le Pen to be ostracized by the international community.
So how does BBC profile Abbas?
"A highly intellectual man, Abu Mazen [Abbas] studied law in Egypt before doing a PhD in Moscow. He is the author of several books."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1933453.stm
BBC offers no details of the appalling contents of Abbas' writings.
Meanwhile, much of the media is praising Abbas as a "moderate" for having criticized the use of armed attacks against Israelis. The same BBC profile reports: "Referring to the current intifada, Abu Mazen has called for a halt to armed attacks on Israeli targets to avoid giving Israel a pretext to destroy the last vestiges of Palestinian autonomy."
Note that Abbas does not oppose killing Israeli civilians from a moral standpoint; he just finds it strategically ineffective.
Further, in a March 3 interview with the London-based "A-Sharq al-Awsat," Abbas called for the continuation of armed struggle, and seemed only to rule out suicide missions inside the Green Line.
Comments to BBC at:
[email][email protected]
See a full report on Abbas' Holocaust revisionism at:
http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?P...ea=ia&ID=IA9502
---- Palestinian Denial of the Holocaust ---
Yasser Arafat and the PA have systematically dismissed the horrors of the Holocaust -- in speeches, television appearances, interviews and books -- both before and after the Oslo accords were signed.
The PA newspaper, Al-Hayat Al-Jadeedah, featured an article by Palestinian author Nabil Salam, declaring:
"Since its establishment, the racist Zionist entity has been implementing various forms of terrorism on a daily basis which are a repetition of the Nazi terror. This proves the shared roots of Nazi and Zionist thought. This also explains the cooperation between the Jews and Nazis during World War II, through which was revealed the forged claims of the Zionists regarding the alleged acts of slaughter perpetrated against the Jews during the same period." (September 3, 1997)
A PA television moderator declared: "It is well-known that every year the Jews exaggerate what the Nazis did to them. They claim there were 6 million killed, but precise scientific research demonstrates that there were no more than 400,000." (August 25, 1997)
Hassan al-Agha, a professor at the Islamic University in Gaza City, declared on PA television in 1997:
"The Jews view it [the Holocaust] as a profitable activity so they inflate the number of victims all the time. In another ten years, I do not know what number they will reach... As you know, when it comes to economics and investments, the Jews have been very experienced ever since the days of The Merchant of Venice."
Seif Ali Al-Jarwan, writing in the Palestinian newspaper Al Hayat Al-Jadeeda, declared:
"They concocted horrible stories of gas chambers which Hitler, they claimed, used to burn them alive. The press overflowed with pictures of Jews being gunned down... or being pushed into gas chambers... The truth is that such persecution was a malicious fabrication by the Jews." (July 2, 1998)
Furthermore, Palestinians have refused to incorporate any aspect of the Holocaust into their educational curricula, fearing it might strengthen Zionist claims to Palestine. Hatem Abd Al-Qader, a Hamas leader, explained that such instruction would represent "a great danger for the formation of a Palestinian consciousness"; it would directly threaten Palestinian political dreams and religious aspirations, such as the promise by Allah that the whole of Palestine was a sacred possession to the Arabs. (Al-Risala, Apr. 13, 2000)
And finally, The New York Times (April 6, 1989) reports that Fuzi Salim Ali Madi, one of the leaders of Arafat's elite unit, Fatah Force 17, selected the moniker "Abu Hitler" and named his two sons "Eichmann" and "Hitler."
HonestReporting members can reader more about "Palestinian Holocaust Denial" in a fine article by Robert S. Wistrich:
http://www.ajc.org/InTheMedia/Publi...id=503&pid=1203
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| Originally posted by melech_mike And finally, The New York Times (April 6, 1989) reports that Fuzi Salim Ali Madi, one of the leaders of Arafat's elite unit, Fatah Force 17, selected the moniker "Abu Hitler" and named his two sons "Eichmann" and "Hitler." |
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| Originally posted by bouzo hahaha so what the fuck is that supposed to mean ??? |
"BULLDOZER ACCIDENT"
American college student Rachel Corrie was tragically killed on Sunday when she fell down as an IDF bulldozer destroyed a house in Gaza.
The bulldozer was part of an operation to eliminate tunnels used by
Palestinian terrorists to illegally smuggle weapons from Egypt into Gaza.
Corrie apparently stood atop a mound of dirt as the bulldozer approachedthe house, but then fell backward, tumbling down the mound and out of sight. The bulldozer continued and accidentally crushed her.
The IDF Spokesman said that soldiers repeatedly warned demonstrators to keep a safe distance.
Corrie was a volunteer with the International Solidarity Movement. She was known for anti-Israel and anti-American activities, as this photo from Gaza (http://www.honestreporting.com/grap...cles/corrie.jpg) shows
Corrie burning an American flag, while Palestinian children look on.
(In general, we wonder on what basis the International Solidarity Movement justifies shielding a house used for weapons smuggling.)
The Washington Post
(http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/ar...-2003Mar16.html) notes two important points:
1) soldiers driving an armored bulldozer have limited visibility because of the narrow window.
2) One of the ISM founders admits the protesters might not have been as disciplined in their protest as they should have been.
Most media reports failed to mention that the IDF bulldozer was looking for smuggling tunnels. Instead, reports described the house
sympathetically as "the home of a Gazan doctor."
And the entire mainstream media neglected to mention Corrie's
anti-American activities and flag-burning.
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| Originally posted by melech_mike Did you not read the rest of the post? If you had you would see how it directly relates to whats being discussed! Your name seems to suit you well! |
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| Originally posted by bouzo ...ur pro-jewish posts are waaaay too long for me to read all of the post man... |
...Bouzo!
Re: Honest Reporting
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| Originally posted by melech_mike On March 6, AP tried to downplay the necessity of IDF activity in Gaza: "One of the Israeli goals is to stop the rocket fire. Palestinians have been firing primitive, homemade Qassam rockets from northern Gaza at the Israeli town of Sderot. Most of them miss their target, and those that land cause little damage with their small explosive warheads. No one has been seriously injured by a Qassam rocket, but Israel's government is determined to stop the attacks." Yet as illustrated on the CNN website (http://honestreporting.com/a/r/355.asp), the Qassam 2 rocket is anything but primitive. With a payload of up to 11 pounds of explosives, a range of over 6 miles, high mobility, and the potential to deliver non-conventional warheads [... snip-edi-snip] |
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| Originally posted by melech_mike And the entire mainstream media neglected to mention Corrie's anti-American activities and flag-burning. |
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