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Starwars Episode I & II vs. War in Iraq ?
alrite, well i know this might sound a bit convoluted and stupid, and I don't know if it's ever been brought up here before either but does anyone see any similarities between the looming possible war in Iraq and the Starwars story line? I know about the spoof "Clone of the Attack" poster that was made but I've actually thought about this before seeing it. Anyways, just a thought .. I found it somewhat co-incidental..
Episode I : The Gulf War
Kuwait = Naboo
Iraq = The Trade Federation
United Nations = The Imperial Senate
United States = Corruscant
France = Alderan
Chancellor Vallorum = Kofi Annan
Senator Palpatine = Governor George W. Bush
Bail Organa = Jacques Chirac
Nute Gunray = Saddam Hussein
Lott Dod = Iraqi Defense Minister Tariq Aziz
Darth Sidious = Dick Cheney
Darth Maul = Colin Powell
Mace Windu = Vladamir Putin
Master Yoda = Zhiang Zemin
Jar Jar Binks = Ross Perot
The Phantom Menace = Osama bin Laden
The Jedi Ambassadors as the U.N. Inspectors:
Qui-Gon Ginn = Richard Butler
Obi-Wan Kenobi = Dr. Hans Blix
Anakin Skywalker = Dr. El Baradei
Episode II : The Gulf War II
Chancellor Palpatine = President George W. Bush
Bail Organa = Jacques Chirac
Nute Gunray = Saddam Hussein
Darth Sidious = Dick Cheney
Darth Maul = Colin Powell (yeah i know he died in EP1 but whatever)
Count Dooku = Defense Secretary Rumsfeld
Jango Fett = Tony Blair
Boba Fett = UK Foreign Minister Jack Straw
Jar Jar Binks = Ross Perot
Mace Windu = Vladamir Putin
Master Yoda = Zhiang Zemin
Clone Army = US Coalition
Jedi = Special Forces Troops
The Jedi Ambassadors as the U.N. Inspectors:
Obi Wan Kenobi = Dr. Hans Blix
Anakin Skywalker = Dr. El Baradei
The Miliary Creation Act = New UN Resolution 1442 ?
Kuwait = Naboo
Iraq = The Trade Federation/Geonosis
United Nations = The Imperial Senate
United Kingdom = Kamino
United States = Corruscant
France = Alderan
The new US M.O.A.B. 21,000 lbs laser guided bomb = Death Star
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"The Senate is mirred in corruption filled with greedy squabling bureaucrats. There is no interest in the common good."
- Senator Palpatine
"The UN is mirred in corruption filled with self-serving squabling foreign ministers. There is no interest in the common good."
- George W. Bush
"Even after your victory Nute Gunray is still Viceroy of the Trade Federation"
- Sio Bibble
"Even after our victory Saddam Hussein is still the President of Iraq"
- George W. Bush
"This is my apprentice Darth Maul, he will find your lost ship."
- Darth Sidious
"This is my secretary of state Colin Powell, he will find your hidden weapons."
- George W. Bush
"As my first act as Chancellor, I will create a grand army of the Republic, to counter the increasing threat of the seperatists."
- Chancellor Palpatine
"As my first act as President, I will create a grand coalition of the United Nations to counter the increasing threat of the terrorists."
- George W. Bush
and no it didn't take a long time to compose this list .. 
marvellous observation
I love the movie, but hate reality
I like the quotes on the bottom the most. 
hmmm... dont really get it
some of the bad guys are on the same side as the good guys
those quotes have to be fake, and I know you got them by email or from a website
Re: Starwars Episode I & II vs. War in Iraq ?
LOL!!!!! dEsidEL, this is pure genius!!! 
I love how the UN inspectors are the Jedi Knights!! Hilarious! And the Darth Maul/Sidious corresponding to Powell/Cheney, really makes a lot of sense.
Not to mention George W. Bush as Palpatine...haha!
OK, but seriously, this is still a very interesting observation, for it shows one possiblity of this entire scenario. If you all remember your Star Wars - and it's a little redundant stating this - you'll recall that eventually Palpatine came to seize power and turn the Republic into a ruthless dictatorialship.
Now, this is quite ridiculous in the real world, for Bush (probably) has no such intentions, nor could such a scenario ever come into place while there are still sane people in the world (yeah, making quite the assumption here aren't I? ).
EDIT: wait a second, you put Corruscant as the US, so this could actually make more sense than what I had initially thought. Having the US (Corruscant) as leading the rest of the world (galaxy) (or whatever the hell was the known universe in Star Wars), will make the conspiracy theorists bursting with glee at easy analogies and predictions, etc.
Otherwise, a lot of things are really connecting! E.g. the Death Star and that crazy-ass new US bomb (kinda scary that it's supposed to be the SUCCESSOR to the DAISY CUTTER 
).
I particularly love the quotes on the bottom.
My personal favourite,
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"This is my apprentice Darth Maul, he will find your lost ship." - Darth Sidious "This is my secretary of state Colin Powell, he will find your hidden weapons." - George W. Bush |
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| Originally posted by Xavier those quotes have to be fake, and I know you got them by email or from a website |
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| Originally posted by Xavier those quotes have to be fake, and I know you got them by email or from a website |
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| Originally posted by Alcode EDIT: wait a second, you put Corruscant as the US, so this could actually make more sense than what I had initially thought. Having the US (Corruscant) as leading the rest of the world (galaxy) (or whatever the hell was the known universe in Star Wars), will make the conspiracy theorists bursting with glee at easy analogies and predictions, etc. |
PALPATINE : ...the Republic is not what it once was. The Senate is full of greedy, squabbling delegates who are only looking out for themselves and their home sytems. There is no interest in the common good...no civility, only politics...its disgusting. I must be frank, Your Majesty, there is little chance the Senate will act on the invasion.
AMIDALA : Chancellor Valorum seems to think there is hope.
PALPATINE : If I may say so, Your Majesty, the Chancellor has little real power...he is mired down by baseless accusations of corruption. A manufactured scandal surrounds him. The bureaucrats are in charge now.
AMIDALA : What options do we have?
PALPATINE : Our best choice would be to push for the election of a stronger Supreme Chancellor. One who will take control of the bureaucrats, enforces the laws, and give us justice. You could call for a vote of no confidence in Chancellor Valorum.
AMIDALA : He has been our strongest supporter. Is there any other way?
PALPATINE : Our only other choice would to be to submit a plea to the courts...
AMIDALA : There's no time for that. The courts take even longer to decide things than the Senate. Our people are dying, Senator...more and more each day. We must do something quickly to stop the Federation.
PALPATINE : To be realistic, Your Highness, I'd say we're going to have to accept Federation control for the time being.
AMIDALA : There is something I cannot do.
George Bush : ...the UN is not what it once was. The Security Council is full of greedy, squabbling foreign ministers who are only looking out for themselves and their home nations. There is no interest in the common good...no civility, only politics...its disgusting. I must be frank, Your Majesty, there is little chance the UN will act on the invasion.
Kuwaiti Sheik: Kofi Annan seems to think there is hope.
George Bush : If I may say so, Your Majesty, the Secretary has little real power...he is mired down by baseless accusations of corruption. A manufactured scandal surrounds him. The foreign ministers are in charge now.
Kuwaiti Sheik : What options do we have?
George Bush : Our best choice would be to push for the election of a stronger UN Resolution. One who will take control of the ministers, enforces the laws, and give us justice. You could call for a veto of no confidence in current resolution.
Kuwaiti Sheik : It has been our strongest supporter. Is there any other way?
George Bush : Our only other choice would to be to submit a plea to the international war crimes tribunal...
Kuwaiti Sheik : There's no time for that. The tribunals take even longer to decide things than the security council. Our people are dying, Mr. President...more and more each day. We must do something quickly to stop the Iraqis.
George Bush : To be realistic, Your Highness, I'd say we're going to have to accept Iraqi control for the time being.
Kuwaiti Sheik : There is something I cannot do.
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PALPATINE : If the Federation moves to defer the motion...Your Majesty, Ibeg of you to ask for a resolution to end this congressional session.
AMIDALA : I wish I had your confidence in this, Senator.
PALPATINE : You must force a new election for Supreme Chancellor...I promise you there are many who will support us...it is our best chance... Your Majesty, our only, chance.
AMIDALA : You truely believe Chancellor Valorum will not bring our motion to a vote?
PALAPATINE : He is distracted...he is afraid. He will be of no help.
VALORUM : The Chair recognizes the Senator from the sovereign system of Naboo.
PALPATINE : Supreme Chancellor, delegates of the Senate. A tragedy has occured on our peaceful system of Naboo. We have become caugt in a dispute you're all well aware of, which began right here with the taxation of trade routes, and has now engulfed our entire planet in the oppresion of the Trade Federation.
A second box rushes into the center of the Senate. It is filled with Federation trade barons led by LOTT DOD, the Senator for the Federation.
LOTT DOD : This is outrageous! I object to the Senator's statements!
VALORUM : The Chair does not recognize the Senator from the Trade Federation at this time. Please return to your station.
LOTT DOD reluctantly moves back to his place.
PALPATINE : To state our allegations, I present Queen Amidala, the recently elected ruler of Naboo, to speak on our behalf.
QUEEN AMIDALA stands and addresses the assembly. There is some applause.
AMIDALA : Honorable representatives of the Republic, distinguished delegates, and Your Honor Supreme Chancellor Valorum, I come to you under the gravest of circumstances. The Naboo system has been invaded by force. Invaded...against all the laws of the Republic by the Droid Armies of the Trade...
LOTT DOD : I object! There is no proof. This is incredible. We recommend a commision be sent to Naboo to assertain the truth.
George W. Bush : If the Iraqis move to defer the motion...Your Majesty, I beg of you to ask for a resolution to end this security session.
Kuwaiti Sheik : I wish I had your confidence in this, Mr. President.
George W. Bush : You must force a new election for a new UN Resolution...I promise you there are many who will support us...it is our best chance... Your Majesty, our only, chance.
Kuwaiti Sheik : You truely believe Secretary Annan will not bring our motion to a vote?
George W. Bush : He is distracted...he is afraid. He will be of no help.
Kofi Annan : The Security Council recognizes the President from the sovereign nation of the United States.
George W. Bush : Mr. Secretary, delegates of the Security Council. A tragedy has occured in the peaceful country of Kuwait. They have become caught in a dispute you're all well aware of, which began right here with the occupation of oil fields, construction of weapons of mass destruction, and has now engulfed the entire nation of Kuwait in the oppresion of the Iraqi Army.
Iraqi Defense Minister Tariq Aziz : This is outrageous! I object to the American President's statements!
Kofi Annan : The security council does not recognize the foreign minster from the Iraq at this time. Please return to your seat.
George W. Bush : To state our allegations, I present the Kuwati Foreign Minister, the recently elected sheik of Kuwait, to speak on our behalf.
Kuwaiti Sheik : Honorable representatives of the United Nations, distinguished delegates, and Your Honor Secretary Kofi Annan, I come to you under the gravest of circumstances. The nation of Kuwait has been invaded by force. Invaded...against all the laws of the United Nations by the armies and weapons of mass destruction of Iraq...
Iraqi Defense Minister Tariq Aziz : I object! There is no proof. This is incredible. We recommend an inspection team be sent to Iraq to assertain the truth.
lol
wow .. with war imminent, how do some of you think this parallels the storyline?
Count Dooku: "Master, the war has begun."
Darth Sidious: "Excellent. Everything is proceeding according as planned."
Secretary Rumsfeld: "Mr. Vice President, the war has begun."
Dick Cheney: "Excellent. Everything is proceeding according as planned."
Not trying to be a Star Wars geek, but isn't Palpatine and Darth Sidious the exact same person in the Star Wars universe?
http://www.starwarsboard.com/board/...p?TOPIC_ID=3283
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| Originally posted by cbxzcm Not trying to be a Star Wars geek, but isn't Palpatine and Darth Sidious the exact same person in the Star Wars universe? http://www.starwarsboard.com/board/...p?TOPIC_ID=3283 |
"The bureaucrats are in charge now."
- Senator Palpatine
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...ress_perle_dc_2
quote:
'Wars' Raises Questions on U.S. Policy
Sunday May 15 12:37 PM ET
Without Michael Moore and "Fahrenheit 9/11" at the Cannes Film Festival this time, it was left to George Lucas and "Star Wars" to pique European ire over the state of world relations and the United States' role in it.
Lucas' themes of democracy on the skids and a ruler preaching war to preserve the peace predate "Star Wars: Episode III Revenge of the Sith" by almost 30 years. Yet viewers Sunday and Lucas himself noted similarities between the final chapter of his sci-fi saga and our own troubled times.
Cannes audiences made blunt comparisons between "Revenge of the Sith" the story of Anakin Skywalker's fall to the dark side and the rise of an emperor through warmongering to President Bush's war on terrorism and the invasion of Iraq.
Two lines from the movie especially resonated:
"This is how liberty dies. With thunderous applause," bemoans Padme Amidala (Natalie Portman) as the galactic Senate cheers dictator-in-waiting Palpatine (Ian McDiarmid) while he announces a crusade against the Jedi.
"If you're not with me, then you're my enemy," Hayden Christensen's Anakin soon to become villain Darth Vader tells former mentor Obi-Wan Kenobi (Ewan McGregor). The line echoes Bush's international ultimatum after the Sept. 11 attacks, "Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists."
"That quote is almost a perfect citation of Bush," said Liam Engle, a 23-year-old French-American aspiring filmmaker. "Plus, you've got a politician trying to increase his power to wage a phony war."
Though the plot was written years ago, "the anti-Bush diatribe is clearly there," Engle said.
The film opens Wednesday in parts of Europe and Thursday in the United States and many other countries. At the Cannes premiere Sunday night, actors in white stormtrooper costumes paraded up and down the red carpet as guests strolled in, while an orchestra played the "Star Wars" theme.
Lucas said he patterned his story after historical transformations from freedom to fascism, never figuring when he started his prequel trilogy in the late 1990s that current events might parallel his space fantasy.
"As you go through history, I didn't think it was going to get quite this close. So it's just one of those recurring things," Lucas said at a Cannes news conference. "I hope this doesn't come true in our country.
"Maybe the film will waken people to the situation," Lucas joked.
That comment echoes Moore's rhetoric at Cannes last year, when his anti-Bush documentary "Fahrenheit 9/11" won the festival's top honor.
Unlike Moore, whose Cannes visit came off like an anybody-but-Bush campaign stop, Lucas never mentioned the president by name but was eager to speak his mind on U.S. policy in Iraq, careful again to note that he created the story long before the Bush-led occupation there.
"When I wrote it, Iraq didn't exist," Lucas said, laughing.
"We were just funding Saddam Hussein and giving him weapons of mass destruction. We didn't think of him as an enemy at that time. We were going after Iran and using him as our surrogate, just as we were doing in Vietnam. ... The parallels between what we did in Vietnam and what we're doing in Iraq now are unbelievable."
The prequel trilogy is based on a back-story outline Lucas created in the mid-1970s for the original three "Star Wars" movies, so the themes percolated out of the Vietnam War and the Nixon-Watergate era, he said.
Lucas began researching how democracies can turn into dictatorships with full consent of the electorate.
In ancient Rome, "why did the senate after killing Caesar turn around and give the government to his nephew?" Lucas said. "Why did France after they got rid of the king and that whole system turn around and give it to Napoleon? It's the same thing with Germany and Hitler.
"You sort of see these recurring themes where a democracy turns itself into a dictatorship, and it always seems to happen kind of in the same way, with the same kinds of issues, and threats from the outside, needing more control. A democratic body, a senate, not being able to function properly because everybody's squabbling, there's corruption."
source:
http://movies.yahoo.com/mv/news/ap/...1618582000.html
more like:
Saddam = Emporer / dictator
Bush = Skywalker / Rebel Alliance (Coalition of the Willing) leader
I'd say Dune is far closer "Arakis" = "Iraq". And so on.
beet me to it Dervish
Frank Herbet was very inspired by the Arabs when he wrote dune aswell
Padishah Emperor = Bush
Baron Harkonen = Sharon 
(even looks like him)
http://www.jitterbug.com/origins/dune.html
Geez, who the hell digs up these threads?
Reminds me of these threads:
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=223642
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=223626
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