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Is this the Beginning of the End?

First we got news of Lightning Records ending operations; now we see Airwave threatening to quit the scene.

WHAT IS HAPPENING TO THE ELECTRONIC MUSIC SCENE? IS MP3 REALLY SLOWLY KILLING OFF OUR MUSIC?

Most importantly, what CAN we do to help stop this slide? We are all saying things like "Yeah, support your artists", but the Hub is still running, Kazza is still sharing and we all know mp3s wil never go away.

I personally appreciate the existence of mp3s, but I have no idea that I am actually playing my little part in destroying dance music by choosing to keep these pieces of music in my hard disk. I still buy CDs and vinyls after I sample them (I REALLY DO), so what more can I do? Never sample mp3s again and delete all the music I have from my hard drive?

What is going to happen now?

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what CAN we do to help stop this slide?

make an effort to go to trance clubnights as much as possible and encourage all your friends (not just the big events). recruit new people

buy your favourite trance artists albums at least.

buy your favourite club's compilations when they come out

maybe take the step and get into djing vinyl or cds if your are not already (buy decks an stuff)

thats a start...whatever you can do of these is aiding the cause

Quite a controversial issue... I can't say that I am one sided on this. I think without the free distribution of MP3s that most of these artists wouldn't have half the recognition that they have. That said, it's still against the law, and for a reason.

Personally I don't feel particularly bad about downloading MP3s because if I didn't, then I wouldn't BUY as much vinyl as I do. I feel good about supporting the artists that I love when I buy their music.

Regarding Airwave, are you saying Airwave is threatening to leave the industry because of MP3s ??

not at all
If a DJ wants a Vinyl, they'll buy it......
Without knowing the ins and outs of what actually happened, it's hard to say, but I cannot honestly see MP3's being that big a problem, especially when single sales are concerned. I download MP3's, last year I spent nearly �3000 on vinyl, a lot of it on Lightning and sublabels stuff. I bought what I liked, and didn't buy what I didn't like. I can't help thinking this is just a front for poor management of finances, poor marketing of the products. Especially with Bonzai, as I'm pretty sure this isn't the first time they've been in trouble, I was told a while back that a few years ago they went under, and M.I.K.E had to pay out of his own pocket to save them. All the signs are there for bad management, and Mp3 is a poor excuse for a scapegoat.....

i seem to have heard al this shit before.

is this the end? and all that paliver.

im not worried, neither should you be

wasn't tehre an artist who gave out his album for free distrubution on the internet? (for some reason i'm thinking sasha) where are they now?

I agree Az.

by the way, re: is this the end of the industry, you don't have to be macgyver to realise that it isn't. People aren't just going to suddenly stop loving and producing music.

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Originally posted by Rememberence_ re: is this the end of the industry, you don't have to be macgyver to realise that it isn't.

funniest thing I've read all day

all i can say is that if airwave is quitting for that reason..then he is pretty lame. I am sure that he must have other reasons for quitting...if he actually is?!

ne ways..one record label down..who cares...there are a bunch springing up now too...and i think it is time for a fresh new look at music...

the problem isn't the MP3 himself in fact.
MP3 is just a file like a .JPG or .MPEG...

Problem is the CD BURNER. Mp3 is the victim.
L-Vee's arguments sucks imo. If producers stop making music because of the mp3s, I think music (all genre) will die forever.

pffff airwave lie if this rumor is true.

Re: Is this the Beginning of the End?

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Originally posted by Great Outdoors so what more can I do?

C:\del *.mp3

no I think nobody would help that! mp3s are great and I don�t know why Lightning Records run out of money but not because of mp3!!

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all i can say is that if airwave is quitting for that reason..then he is pretty lame

Yeah I think he would be in for the music ?! Well he�s in for the money...

lol Az Macgyver is a feckin legend people. I can't count the times he's saved the day, stopping world war with a mousepad and some orange juice, curing cancer with a fold-up umbrella

but back to the topic -

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Yeah I think he would be in for the music ?! Well he�s in for the money...

What an assumption! There are very strong principles behind this discussion; you can't say that it's only money he cares about!

ONE RECORD COMPANIES BAD MANAGEMENT AND THEM PLACING BLAME ON MP3's



does not mean all record companies cannot admit to their faults.

this is not the end of anything except bonzai

i think what really gets to the artists, like j00f said is that they make new songs, and before they are even released, they get on the web. personally, i think that is good, because they get exposure before the track has been released, that way everyone who likes it enough is going to buy it. i mean come on, most of airwave's vinyls have been sold out. i can imagine people not wanting to spend money on his cd, as it didnt have a whole list of new tracks, and those could easily be downloaded (i got the cd though). but i think he is being too narrow minded. he is looking at all the bad that has happened in the past few weeks with lightning closing. how bad mp3s are and how much they hurt him. but i think that mp3s have only helped him. i dont think i would have known of airwave or any of his other aliases without mp3 and yes i have bought vinyls done by airwave and other aliases. "when shit hits the fan, it is always easier to look towards something else and say it is the reason, rather than sitting back and looking at the bigger picture to see what is really there". what is really there is that there was bad management. even though lightning might deny it, it is obvious. he supposedly hates other record companies, but he has just been home with lightning too long. i am pretty sure he is friend with tiesto, as lots of his tracks are played by tiesto, he could go to black hole and probably do fine there getting along with people, i mean you dont have to go into a place being a dick or anything. hey, but i dont know, he knows people love his music, maybe he is trying to get back at all the people that like it a lot and only download it. because i think you cannot say you love a persons music if you have not paid for a piece of their work. anyways, it is not the end of electronica music genre. there are so many brilliant musical minds in this world probably working in their bedrooms right now on some unbelieveable music. even if airwave is gone, someone will fill the gap, it is always like that for anything. there will be another producer more brilliant than him, even though this is true, it is still sad to see one of my favorites go, if he does decide to do that.

i also wanted to mention, that i think if the artists are active on the boards (unless he is like pvd who gets alot of money from gigs and shit), if they are active on the boards, i think more people will buy from them. like we have plastic angel, who was active, i havent seen him post recently, and dave dresden comes on here too. but also artists like airbase, he is active on here, giving us samples of his new tracks and what not. them being here and talking to us, i dont know, maybe it makes you feel special or something, that you have the privilege of talking to one of your favorite artists or something. makes you like them more, and you want to support them more even if the tune isnt even that good. its just the fact you feel like they are your friend and you want to support them more. what does everyone else think about more artist participation in the forums>?

Every so often one of these threads rolls around.

Just because one label folds and airwave supposedly calls it quits, everyone thinks the whole genre is dying.

First off, bonzai had horrible distribution and second airwave has only made a few solid tunes over the years, he's not the foundation of the genre.

There are literally thousands of labels out there, and there are thousands of talented producers.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

As technology increases and more and more people make the music, it will get more and more popular. More people are in it for the love. If labels can't afford to press vinyls, it will move to cd's, but it will not die.
The superstar producer/dj may die because they lose their exclusive advantage, and I say good riddens.

More music than ever is being pumped out by people all over the world, and alot of it is well done. If anything, this means things will get better.

well all i can say is.. if the ******s released stuf fon cd and not just vinyl, theyd have more of my money and i wouldnt have to burn so many cdr's.

im not goign to be told that i have to buy a load of popping plastic as the format of their choice. i will pay money for somehting that lasts with care i.e. cds, anything else he can go fuck himself. the only thing he has released on cd was his album.

l-vee can quit if he wants, i couldnt give a flying fuck, it will make room for an even more talented producer hopefully.

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Originally posted by Nell well all i can say is.. if the ******s released stuf fon cd and not just vinyl, theyd have more of my money and i wouldnt have to burn so many cdr's. im not goign to be told that i have to buy a load of popping plastic as the format of their choice. i will pay money for somehting that lasts with care i.e. cds, anything else he can go fuck himself. the only thing he has released on cd was his album. l-vee can quit if he wants, i couldnt give a flying fuck, it will make room for an even more talented producer hopefully.

yea i agree. trance is not just for the pro djs anymore. some peopel want to support, but they dont want to buy vinyl. if they fuckin record companies could see this, they would start putting out cd single for every vinyl, in fact, i think they should stop pressing vinyl, and move to cd, i am not sure but it is probably cheaper, and fuck you dont have to carry around a huge vinyl bag anymore. you can take it in a cd book, and they are much easier to back up and care for. you can leave a cd in your car on a summer and not worry when youc ome back it might melt, but vinyls do melt, ffs, they arrive warped some of the times, and what the fuck, its not like we paid for a warped vinyl just because some ****** didnt know how to package it. anyways, yea, if the labels would look 2 inches past their nose, they might fuckin see that they should distribute more cds than vinyls, and one thing, vinyls should have been obsoleet (spelling?) a long time ago. now the technology is good enough where you can scratch with cdjs, and all you mother******s who bash cdjs, most of you cant even mix, so stfu

i agree
not all of us have the privilage to play vinyls
i, personally, don't buy vinyls because i don't have decks to spin them on
but i do buy cds
I recently picked up PvD Global, and PvD's Seven Ways
which both cost me a fortune (as do most trance albums around here)
if one day i do get a set of turntables to spin vinyl on, then i will start purchasing records
but until then, i will continue to purchase cds
so maybe record companies should start pressing cds!!
it also helps if they ship some on North America
because I looked just about everywhere for Airwave - Believe
and still have yet to find it

i think that every time anything happens, a label closes, an artist says something about quitting, someone runs around whining about it all ending
this itself shows how shaky the genre is, the true fans don't even believe its stable

i think now would be a good time to have the scene evolve from vinyl to cd, for me the fact that vinyl wears out, alone makes it useless
its cheaper to produce and sell cds so everyones happier and if music sales are a genuine problem this would help
you don't need decks to play cds, but if your a dj you can get decks to play them
if the scene really was in danger i don't think it'd be worth risking it just for the sake of staying with oldskool vinyl

if only i had the chance to buy cd's! i live in antwerp (rather big city in belgium) and there is not ONE serious shop to buy decent trance!
dont shops wanna buy trance or what?
they just force me to bring out my own CD's 'Now this is trance' \o/ (have already 5 volumes of it =)
-Glad

L-vee is a CRYBABY!!! Makes good music but he's still a crybaby... :/

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Originally posted by havok118 The superstar producer/dj may die because they lose their exclusive advantage, and I say good riddens.

Exactly what i always say, it shows how many "superstars" are actually shit when they dont have the tune advantage. Fact is were all younger, more talented and more in love with trance than most of the 2 bit "dj's" getting by on their name

As so many people have said before I think MP3's do benefit the dance music scene in that people d/l stuff they like and then buy it - MP3's are preview format. I definately do this.......my reasons:-

a - support the artists I like

b - To attempt to limit any potential damage to artists and labels from MP3 downloading

c - Coz I like doing it.

I started downloading MP3's initially because at the time I could not find many tunes or certain remixes on CD, but now the dance music CD single has been recognised more it is less necessary to download such a volume of tunes. So like I said I try to use it as a preview for a purchase.

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Originally posted by Gladius if only i had the chance to buy cd's! i live in antwerp (rather big city in belgium) and there is not ONE serious shop to buy decent trance! dont shops wanna buy trance or what? they just force me to bring out my own CD's 'Now this is trance' \o/ (have already 5 volumes of it =) -Glad

There's plenty of sources on the internet, i impor tall my stuff all over, cos out there somewhere, i always know atrack is availible on a label in some country, somewhere.

Just like alot of poeple here who know about lots of vinyl shops online, myself and a few other know about cd shops.

The only trouble is, for every cd ive bought, theres anbother 3 that ive wanted that dont exist on cd, or are not obtainable.

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