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Posted by YuVaL on Mar-15-2003 09:32:

Beatmatching with Hi notes..?

how do u guys do it?, im trying to start beatmaching with the hi notes, heard its wayyyy more accurate... but i have a problem
the bass keeps getting in the way which makes it difficult for me to concentrate on the hi.. anyone got an idea about how i can do it?

ideas are welcome

Posted by _Nut_ on Mar-15-2003 13:30:

It isnt hard. I do it all the time... tho with a 20000 watt system blaring... i hear no bass out of my headphones.

Most highs are on beats 2 and 4. think of this. The bass you most likely listen to, to beatmatch, is on beats 1 and 3 (unless you are doing breakbeat or jungle).

so in four beats you hear this:

boom ch boom ch boom ch boom ch

1 & 2 & 3 & 4 &

so just line up the highs and it is 100 more accurate. but if you are are just learning how to dj/beatmatch. dont worry about accuracy yet. get the jist of beatmatching first then after you can do that confidently then you should learn new tricks

any other questions?

Posted by Mister_Michel on Mar-15-2003 13:45:

So it's just using the ch instead of the boom to beatmatch?

Posted by onceler on Mar-15-2003 17:22:

ya, just listen to the cymbols... it is more accurate cuz the tick of the cymbol usually isnt blurred like the bass beat... a way to start is try playing your records w/ the bass killed and hear what it sounds like... then mix again, turn the bass up, but just listen for those sounds you heard first

Posted by Tony Morello on Mar-15-2003 21:31:

if you can hear eq changes in the headphones, turn down the bass and turn up the mids and highs on the cue track

once i learned how to mix using the high end, my mixes got a lot tighter
and it's easier to catch if the beats start to drift

Posted by The Greener on Mar-16-2003 00:10:

IMO the only way to B/M. Bass is sloppy and not always tight enough to track. I track the beat off the hats. Its always true to tempo

Posted by Bryant on Mar-16-2003 06:41:

I agree what was said before. Mixing with the mids and highs will get you better results.

Posted by Mark on Mar-17-2003 01:47:

quote:
Originally posted by Trance_Nut
It isnt hard. I do it all the time... tho with a 20000 watt system blaring... i hear no bass out of my headphones.

Most highs are on beats 2 and 4. think of this. The bass you most likely listen to, to beatmatch, is on beats 1 and 3 (unless you are doing breakbeat or jungle).

so in four beats you hear this:

boom ch boom ch

1 2 3 4

so just line up the highs and it is 100 more accurate. but if you are are just learning how to dj/beatmatch. dont worry about accuracy yet. get the jist of beatmatching first then after you can do that confidently then you should learn new tricks

any other questions?

actually 2 bass notes and 2 hi hats only make up for 2 beats.

the bass and the hi hat are structured at 1/8 notes not quarter notes.

Posted by Gluegun on Mar-17-2003 01:57:

Ya, this way is also safer, cause you can use some high-isolation studio headphones and have them at a sane volume, instead of having a monitor blasting into your ear or whatnot... Plus the fact that the bass note is inherantly slow, compared to higher notes.. Tho with the right system, neither will be blurred... like if you are matching with some studio monitors at home... but that's not much of a party, then...

Posted by _Nut_ on Mar-17-2003 02:27:

quote:
Originally posted by M.A.R.K
actually 2 bass notes and 2 hi hats only make up for 2 beats.

the bass and the hi hat are structured at 1/8 notes not quarter notes.

Shit! my bad......... looks like i cant count one and two and three and four ........

Posted by Jocker on Mar-27-2003 07:35:

always match with hi's - it's the easiest and most accurate way... put them up as much as possible, so you can clearly see what's going on and cut the bass off... works wonders (especially in the club environment - or any other with powerful speakers).

Posted by TempesTrip on Mar-27-2003 09:09:

It takes some getting used to if your coming from strictly low manipulative mixing, but learning the mids and highs will as someone said "work wonders" for your mixes. It takes time and practice like it took for you to perfect the lows. It�s a process experiment see what works and go from there. Learning doesn't happen inside the classroom, it happens outside of the classroom with the time YOU put in to learn it. Perfect your own style and find what works best for you.

Posted by Rhythm on Mar-28-2003 17:06:

quote:
Originally posted by onceler
ya, just listen to the cymbols... it is more accurate cuz the tick of the cymbol usually isnt blurred like the bass beat...

damn this is a good idea lol... makes so much sense! wish i had thought of it earlier

thx guys

Posted by Gluegun on Mar-28-2003 21:13:

BTW, in good headphones, neither the cymbols nor the bass beats will be too blurred... its just that, generally, bass *does* tend to blur more than high notes... the nature of the beast... but good headphones dont suffer from this problem quite as much as the stuff you all are used to...