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while everyone is busy with the war...

... Israel gets a 10 Billion USD in aid. I bet no one heard about it because everyone is busy with the war

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Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, during his last visit to Washington in October, said Israel needed the money to help offset the economic toll from a two and a half-year Palestinian uprising and a war in nearby Iraq. Israel already receives $US3 billion ($5 billion) a year in US aid, mostly in military hardware

http://news.com.au/common/story_pag...255E401,00.html

wow Santa Clause is late this year, still ditching around 1500 USD to every israeli. Americans are very genereous, they give out their hard earned cash while their public school system is in ruin, and about 30 million of them aren't covered in any kind of medical insurance.

I'm very proud of you Americans! you have a big heart!

good thing the US DOES support Israel!
too bad the rest of Europe don't dish out ca$h to Israel like the US does!

>JM<

yeah good thing!!!

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Originally posted by ahlamalek wow Santa Clause is late this year, still ditching around 1500 USD to every israeli. Americans are very genereous, they give out their hard earned cash while their public school system is in ruin, and about 30 million of them aren't covered in any kind of medical insurance. I'm very proud of you Americans! you have a big heart!

PLEASE GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT! The number of americans not covered under any health insurance is:

"10.1 million poor people had no health insurance in 2001. They represented 30.7 percent of the poor, unchanged from 2000."

http://www.census.gov/

And what statistic do you have that qualifies our poublic school system as being in a state of "ruin"????

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Originally posted by occrider PLEASE GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT! The number of americans not covered under any health insurance is: "10.1 million poor people had no health insurance in 2001. They represented 30.7 percent of the poor, unchanged from 2000." http://www.census.gov/ And what statistic do you have that qualifies our poublic school system as being in a state of "ruin"????

he'll do whatever to trash america using unknowledgable means without any backing whatsoever..let him be

ok i'll have to find my sources, i don't have them handy, but don't divert the discussion.

but it is a fact that we are having a great deal of economic problems with pay cuts and lack of jobs so maybe giving billions of dollars away is not a good idea right now..and even if we r gonna give away billions..why not spread it around to other poor countries?

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Originally posted by ahlamalek ok i'll have to find my sources, i don't have them handy, but don't divert the discussion.

One would think that the American cencus beareu would have a better idea of how much America spent on welfare than anybody else but I'll patientely await the answer to your source

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Originally posted by ahlamalek ok i'll have to find my sources, i don't have them handy, but don't divert the discussion.

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ok obviously i'm not gonna try finding my sources, frankly it doesn't matter.

Lets take your numbers and say the public education system is excellent.

Lets just not divert attention from the present subject which is huge and senseless US aid to israel.

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Originally posted by tranceaholic but it is a fact that we are having a great deal of economic problems with pay cuts and lack of jobs so maybe given billion of dollars away is not a good idea right now..and even if we r gonna give away billions..why not spread it around to other poor countries?

because all the most powerful and influencial people in the US government are jews, so of course they're going to give away billions to israel instead of to any other country or cause that would merrit that money instead; in fact israel is using a lot of that money to themselves build/obtain huge amounts of weapons; i mean its not like its a conspiracy that israel can has masses of weapons but other middle eastern countries are allowed to have none; its not like its a conspiracy that it is funded billions of free money for absolutely no reason at all; its not like its a conspiracy that a country brutally founded at the expense of another barely existant for 50 years should be in the top few nations in military might - it all seems normal to me

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Originally posted by occrider PLEASE GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT! The number of americans not covered under any health insurance is: "10.1 million poor people had no health insurance in 2001. They represented 30.7 percent of the poor, unchanged from 2000." http://www.census.gov/ And what statistic do you have that qualifies our poublic school system as being in a state of "ruin"????

10.1 million is still a shitload.
and its most of the innercity schools which are in poor neighborhoods to begin with which are in the craper.

but the greater point is that america doesn't spend money where it is most needed
there are alot of social problems in this country which the government fails to focus on.

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Originally posted by montie 10.1 million is still a shitload. and its most of the innercity schools which are in poor neighborhoods to begin with which are in the craper. but the greater point is that america doesn't spend money where it is most needed there are alot of social problems in this country which the government fails to focus on.

more than social is economical remind me of the days of the economic depression.

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Originally posted by Nalin because all the most powerful and influencial people in the US government are jews, so of course they're going to give away billions to israel instead of to any other country or cause that would merrit that money instead; in fact israel is using a lot of that money to themselves build/obtain huge amounts of weapons; i mean its not like its a conspiracy that israel can has masses of weapons but other middle eastern countries are allowed to have none; its not like its a conspiracy that it is funded billions of free money for absolutely no reason at all; its not like its a conspiracy that a country brutally founded at the expense of another barely existant for 50 years should be in the top few nations in military might - it all seems normal to me

waiting for the "anti-semite" and nazi replies so easily thrown at anyone criticizing the current state of affairs.

its funny when people refuted ur post..they only refuted ur statistics and said nothing about the aid to israel and how big it is.

because when you can't answer something up front, you divert the attention... its the best strategy and some of my fellow tranceaddicts are masters at this!

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Originally posted by ahlamalek because when you can't answer something up front, you divert the attention... its the best strategy and some of my fellow tranceaddicts are masters at this!

I never shy away from answering something upfront. Please give me some time to answer every argument and do the research ...

well i dont think u will find anything that refutes the huge aid the us gives to israel..it is a well known fact..kids at elementry school know that.

why did you attack the statistic before trying discussing the main subject?

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Originally posted by ahlamalek why did you attack the statistic before trying discussing the main subject?

Because if you know me and my posts, I always strive to present or correct factual statistics. That seems to be the largest source for misconceptions. Don't worry I'll get to the argument

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Originally posted by Nalin because all the most powerful and influencial people in the US government are jews, so of course they're going to give away billions to israel instead of to any other country or cause that would merrit that money instead; in fact israel is using a lot of that money to themselves build/obtain huge amounts of weapons; i mean its not like its a conspiracy that israel can has masses of weapons but other middle eastern countries are allowed to have none; its not like its a conspiracy that it is funded billions of free money for absolutely no reason at all; its not like its a conspiracy that a country brutally founded at the expense of another barely existant for 50 years should be in the top few nations in military might - it all seems normal to me

Please see this thread:

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...15&pagenumber=1

Since you never posted to support any of the arguments you just stated I'm not going to argue with you on those issues. If you wish to argue them either pm me or post in that thread that directly deals with that topic.

Ok here is my refutation(is that even a word) to your posts. Taken directly from the US site for FY 2002 congressional budget justification for foreign aid (http://www.usaid.gov/)

"Most of the tables illustrate the foreign assistance budget request for FY 2002, which is a part of the President's Budget. The tables also include budget levels for FY 1999 through FY 2001 for comparison. The levels for FYs 1999 through 2000 are based on the FY 1999, FY 2000 and FY 2001 appropriations acts. FY 2000 and FY 2001 levels are post-rescission levels."

These tables essentially outline the US budget appropriations to each country with respect to foreing aid (in thousands).


Egypt - - - 655,000
Israel - - - 720,000
Jordan - - - 150,000

Yes it's funny how everybody isolates Israel as being prominently supported by the US governement when nobody even MENTIONS Egypt at all!!! Sounds to me like there is a double standard going on . At any rate if you wish to critisize our support for Israel when our education system is in "ruin" and our welfare sysetem is abysmal you have to critisize our ENTIRE foreign aid program as a WHOLE. And if you're going to pick on Israel, at least include Egypt for god's sake.

With regards to this statement

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because when you can't answer something up front, you divert the attention... its the best strategy and some of my fellow tranceaddicts are masters at this!

I see very many of my posts, questions, and responces left unanswered. You may think that I'm biased and uneducated but at least take the time to refute my arguments. I do as much for all of you ...

here's something we can discuss

well Israel is getting 3B a year in total aid ( counting military too ) and Egypt gets about 1.5B if my memory is right.

But why is Egypt getting this aid? Mainly because they signed a peace agreement with Israel.

In other terms, its buying peace for Israel's southern front.

Also notice that Egypt has about 60 millions population, 10 times Israel

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Originally posted by ahlamalek here's something we can discuss well Israel is getting 3B a year in total aid ( counting military too ) and Egypt gets about 1.5B if my memory is right. But why is Egypt getting this aid? Mainly because they signed a peace agreement with Israel. In other terms, its buying peace for Israel's southern front. Also notice that Egypt has about 60 millions population, 10 times Israel

Excellent ... I love discussing . Ok well my statistics were from the usaid site, I'm not sure where yours are from but let's assume that yours are correct. Your stats claim that Israel is getting twice as much as Egypt and you're questioning why Israel is getting so much more and why egypt is getting so much at all. With regards to your first statement I think that Israel is getting so much because the US has been a long time ally and supporter of ISrael since its creation in 1948. I think that if you look at the relative ratio of aid Israel has been getting over the years you will find that it has been relatively constant over the years. This is by no means an indicator of Israeli infiltration of the US government but rather a reflection of a longstanding allied relationship.

With respects to the reason why Egypt is getting so much, I don't really know. I think it stems from cold war relations when egypt was flirting with both the west and the russians. It could be that the US desires an Arab ally in the middle east, it could be anything. Is peace such a bad thing to buy? At any rate I'm merely stating that if you want to bring up the topic of foreign aid, don't just limit the discussion to Israel.

I don't see anything wrong with the US giving foreign aid to Israel. Israel indeed is in a hostile environment, and if it weren't for its large army, it wouldn't exist anymore. Egypt is not in such a situation, so it doesn't need as much foreign aid.

On a side note, american educational system prior to university level is really screwed up. I can say this because I went to school both in the US and here. But that's not a problem of funding, it's mostly because of a bad educational program. Here we definitely have less money to spend on education, but still, prior to university, people here are generally better educated than those in the US. American schools are not pushing their students to work hard at all, so everybody is just slacking and screwing around.

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