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Posted by Dmatrox on Mar-23-2003 05:19:

Everyone on Iraq, what about Afghanistan Casualties?

Here

The names...

I dont know how accurate this is.


Posted by LKD on Mar-23-2003 05:44:

Re: Everyone on Iraq, what about Afghanistan Casualties?

quote:
Originally posted by Dmatrox
Here

The names...

I dont know how accurate this is.

and all we were told about was teh 4 canadians that died

so theres what our biased news sources leaves out....good link...


Posted by AnotherWay83 on Mar-23-2003 06:22:

thanks for the link...it looks pretty reliable


Posted by DrUg_Tit0 on Mar-23-2003 12:36:

Heh, interesting. Funny how no news have reported any of that. They made it seem there were no american casualties in Afghanistan at all.


Posted by smallSHEEP on Mar-23-2003 16:31:

According to that list the Americans lost 26 helicopters in Afganistan!!!! I'm surprised you're not running out of pilots.


Posted by JohnSmith on Mar-23-2003 19:41:

Re: Everyone on Iraq, what about Afghanistan Casualties?

quote:
Originally posted by Dmatrox
Here

The names...

I dont know how accurate this is.


well, you apparently took issue with me pointing out the iraq civillian casualties without mentioning the american and allied ones.

well, right backatcha! where is your mention of the afghanicivillian casualties?


Posted by Dmatrox on Mar-23-2003 19:45:

Re: Re: Everyone on Iraq, what about Afghanistan Casualties?

quote:
Originally posted by JohnSmith
well, you apparently took issue with me pointing out the iraq civillian casualties without mentioning the american and allied ones.

well, right backatcha! where is your mention of the afghanicivillian casualties?


well isnt that your job?


Posted by quddha on Mar-23-2003 20:52:

Wow, 972 killed, and billions of $ in equipment lost. Thats more than I realized.


Posted by montie on Mar-23-2003 21:58:

yeah
its kinda ironic how the news agencies make such a big deal about a helicopter that almost crashes or two marines dieing in a skirmish in iraq, yet no one talks about the war that has been going on in afghanistan for the past couple of months.

the day after the war broke out i remember seeing a report on CNN.com hidden near the bottom of the page that said 8 marines had during a big attack on two villiages.
that same day, the news was making a big deal out of two helicopters that almost crashed and not saying anything about the people in afghanistan.

and they almost never talk about the number of iraqi solder casualties.


Posted by JohnSmith on Mar-24-2003 15:43:

Re: Re: Re: Everyone on Iraq, what about Afghanistan Casualties?

quote:
Originally posted by Dmatrox
well isnt that your job?


I suppose that is my job, here you go:

http://www.cursor.org/stories/civilian_deaths.htm


Posted by mndeg on Mar-24-2003 18:34:

go american media
ingsoc war is peace


Posted by JohnSmith on Mar-24-2003 18:41:

that's amazing, i just started reading that book this weekend.

FREEDOM IS SLAVERY


Posted by partysan on Mar-24-2003 18:52:



Doesn anyone have an idea, why the news-agencies don't report much or nothing about the war in afghanistan?

IGNORANCE IS STRENGHT.


Posted by mndeg on Mar-24-2003 19:03:

on HBO i saw a joke about 1984 on a comedy/political thing
there was this guy making a speech in front of a big big brother face
"(person) wants a orwellian society" or something like that

i was suprised to see a non stupid joke, im guessing not a lot of people understood that
edit: i like the book ending


Posted by JohnSmith on Mar-24-2003 19:06:

quote:
Originally posted by partysan


Doesn anyone have an idea, why the news-agencies don't report much or nothing about the war in afghanistan?

IGNORANCE IS STRENGHT.


because it will not get as high ratings.
therefore the advertisers will not pay as much.

it's sad, but that's the way it works.


Posted by Arbiter on Mar-24-2003 19:14:

I can assure you that most of these are fake, including a few that the U.S. government has admitted to. Because in fact the U.S. government has used the Afghanistan conflict, and is using the Iraq conflict as a cover for domestic military operations against a variety of fringe groups.

When they suffer casualties in these conflicts, they are misattributed to the middle-east conflict, allowing them to deny the existence of these domestic conflicts altogether.

The threat posed by these groups is actually far beyond what any foreign terrorists could hope to accomplish, but the federal government is wary that an admission of this fact could trigger widespread paranoia and possibly decreased popularity for the administration.


Posted by JohnSmith on Mar-24-2003 19:26:

interesting Arbiter, i would believe it.

quote:
I can assure you that most of these are fake, including a few that the U.S. government has admitted to.


Where is evidence of this?


Posted by Arbiter on Mar-24-2003 20:54:

quote:
Originally posted by JohnSmith
Where is evidence of this?


As much as I would love to tell you that John, I'm afraid it would put me in a bad position. Although to be honest, I already am.


Posted by JohnSmith on Mar-24-2003 21:00:

Well, as a logical person, I'm sure you can understand that if you can't tell me your source, then the content is not believable.


Posted by Arbiter on Mar-24-2003 21:45:

quote:
Originally posted by JohnSmith
Well, as a logical person, I'm sure you can understand that if you can't tell me your source, then the content is not believable.


Fair enough, although I'm sure you'd agree the most reliable sources for this type of information would be precisely those which are not in the public domain.

Of course, I don't know if I'd say that the content from "jihadunspun.net" is particularly believable, either.


Posted by Dmatrox on Mar-24-2003 21:53:

quote:
Originally posted by Arbiter
I can assure you that most of these are fake, including a few that the U.S. government has admitted to. Because in fact the U.S. government has used the Afghanistan conflict, and is using the Iraq conflict as a cover for domestic military operations against a variety of fringe groups.

When they suffer casualties in these conflicts, they are misattributed to the middle-east conflict, allowing them to deny the existence of these domestic conflicts altogether.

The threat posed by these groups is actually far beyond what any foreign terrorists could hope to accomplish, but the federal government is wary that an admission of this fact could trigger widespread paranoia and possibly decreased popularity for the administration.


What do you mean cover the conflict of "fringe groups" within the United States. Care to provide examples?



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