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I see nothing bugs you. That's good.

So dEsidEL = occrider?

do u know what bugs me...

1. Where are all the Weapons of Mass Destructions which Bush promised us. Come on Mr. Bush live up to ur part of the deal. U show us some WMD's and we show u the support.

2. Today 4 U.S. soldiers were captured by the Iraqi military, and as soon as that happened Mr. Rumsfeld came on CNN and said that it was against some Ganeva convention to show POW's on T.V. My questions to Mr. Rumsfeld is don't these same conventions apply to the Iraqi POW's which were captured earlier. Or the Afghani POW's which were captured in the previous wars.

It seems like that the American Gov't is making up rules and conventions as they see fit.

i dont know for sure is there is any faction of un in iraq...

now if there isn't, what's to prevent the americans themselves from planting a few WMD???

food for thought...

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Originally posted by tranced_out do u know what bugs me... 1. Where are all the Weapons of Mass Destructions which Bush promised us. Come on Mr. Bush live up to ur part of the deal. U show us some WMD's and we show u the support.

I fully agree!

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Originally posted by tranced_out 2. Today 4 U.S. soldiers were captured by the Iraqi military, and as soon as that happened Mr. Rumsfeld came on CNN and said that it was against some Ganeva convention to show POW's on T.V. My questions to Mr. Rumsfeld is don't these same conventions apply to the Iraqi POW's which were captured earlier. Or the Afghani POW's which were captured in the previous wars.

well, in regards to the afghani POWs, the americans got around the geneva convention by calling them "battlefield detainees" instead of POWs. apparently it was not a real war, because they were fighting the taliban, which they didn't recognize as a govt. besides they were a ragtag army of conscriptions, they didn't even have uniforms.

I guess the reasoning goes, if your country cannot afford to buy uniforms for it's soldiers then we will do whatever we like to them, regardless of international law.

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Originally posted by victor i dont know for sure is there is any faction of un in iraq... now if there isn't, what's to prevent the americans themselves from planting a few WMD??? food for thought...

This is why the US government allowed over 600 journalists from all parts of the world to join the coalition forces driving into Iraq.

They didn't want the world having that kind of food, for thought!

melech all jews supporting USA (90% probably) it's obvious so please don't go on supporting more it's useless we know all jews positions with all my respect to those who believe that US gov. is doing wrong.

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Originally posted by JohnSmith I fully agree! well, in regards to the afghani POWs, the americans got around the geneva convention by calling them "battlefield detainees" instead of POWs. apparently it was not a real war, because they were fighting the taliban, which they didn't recognize as a govt. besides they were a ragtag army of conscriptions, they didn't even have uniforms. I guess the reasoning goes, if your country cannot afford to buy uniforms for it's soldiers then we will do whatever we like to them, regardless of international law.

Hey, its much better than what Iraqis do to POW's!!
-->Iraqi agression of POW's<--

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Originally posted by tranced_out do u know what bugs me... 1. Where are all the Weapons of Mass Destructions which Bush promised us. Come on Mr. Bush live up to ur part of the deal. U show us some WMD's and we show u the support.

IST 03:20 US official sources claim American forces have discovered huge factory suspected of manufacturing chemical weapons in Najef, 100 miles south of Baghdad. General in charge of factory arrested by 1st Brigade of Third infantry Division and is being questioned. Confirmation not immediately available.

Substantiation of this find would demolish the arguments of the anti-war front led by France, Russia and Germany.

Watch how this plays out!

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Originally posted by ZinG melech all jews supporting USA (90% probably) it's obvious so please don't go on supporting more it's useless we know all jews positions with all my respect to those who believe that US gov. is doing wrong.

How did you comprehend my message to be in anyway in support of the war?

I simply adressed Victor's concern of the US planting the WMD's in Iraq!

your're ridiculous... so far all your posts have been utter bullshit!!
Whats wrong with you??

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Originally posted by melech_mike IST 03:20 US official sources claim American forces have discovered huge factory suspected of manufacturing chemical weapons in Najef, 100 miles south of Baghdad. General in charge of factory arrested by 1st Brigade of Third infantry Division and is being questioned. Confirmation not immediately available. Substantiation of this find would demolish the arguments of the anti-war front led by France, Russia and Germany. Watch how this plays out!

please explain to me what you mean with this then? you don't support the war right?

Nothing wrong with me don't go in circles get to the point

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Originally posted by ZinG please explain to me what you mean with this then? you don't support the war right? Nothing wrong with me don't go in circles get to the point

Thats called news kid. News reports say that the US claims to have found a huge factory suspected of manufacturing chemical weapons.

Anyone citing this claim or discussing it must make them in favour of war.

The only person going in circles here is you... just read the shit you have been posting!!!

Yes it hasn't been proven even yet and you're already convinced
how ridiculous

dude as i said useless to argue
I will be more than happy if they are right and they destroy them but killing people is not the answer in anyway from both sides.

I rest my case here as well.

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Originally posted by ZinG Yes it hasn't been proven even yet and you're already convinced how ridiculous dude as i said useless to argue I will be more than happy if they are right and they destroy them but killing people is not the answer in anyway from both sides. I rest my case here as well.

Who said i was convinced... i said lets see how this plays out.

You are right when you said its useless to argue... i feel like i'm talking to a 12 year old who was just told a bunch of shit from his parents. Just remember, your parents aren't always right!!

I dont believe its right to kill innocent people... i do however believe its justified to kill someone known to be a terrorist, or is involved in terrorist activities!

Again you go and "rest your case".... YOU HAVE YET TO MAKE A CASE KID!!!

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Originally posted by melech_mike .... Again you go and "rest your case".... YOU HAVE YET TO MAKE A CASE KID!!!

I'll leave that to Zionist such as you
i was pretty curious and realize that one of your interests in your profile is Zionism
Keep up buddy
*yawn*

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Originally posted by tranced_out do u know what bugs me... 1. Where are all the Weapons of Mass Destructions which Bush promised us. Come on Mr. Bush live up to ur part of the deal. U show us some WMD's and we show u the support. 2. Today 4 U.S. soldiers were captured by the Iraqi military, and as soon as that happened Mr. Rumsfeld came on CNN and said that it was against some Ganeva convention to show POW's on T.V. My questions to Mr. Rumsfeld is don't these same conventions apply to the Iraqi POW's which were captured earlier. Or the Afghani POW's which were captured in the previous wars. It seems like that the American Gov't is making up rules and conventions as they see fit.

I only half trust this because it's from Fox News, but hopefully it will be corroborated by some more reputable media outlet...
It would make me sick too, if he risked all of those lives and there were no banned weapons found.


'Huge' Chemical Weapons Plant Found in Iraq

Sunday, March 23, 2003

A senior pentagon official has confirmed to Fox News on Sunday that coalition forces have
discovered a "huge" chemical weapons factory near the Iraqi city of An Najaf, which is situated
some 225 miles south of Baghdad.

Coalition troops are also said to be holding the general in charge of the facility.

A senior American military officer had said on Saturday U.S. special operations troops combing
Iraq for Scud missiles and chemical or biological weapons had found none so far.

Maj. Gen. Stanley McChrystal, the vice director of operations for the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told a
Pentagon news conference that the Iraqis had not fired any Scuds and that U.S. forces searching
airfields in the far western desert of Iraq had uncovered no missiles or launchers.

Iraq denies having any Scuds, which have sufficient range to reach Israel, but Gen. Tommy
Franks, who is running the war, said Saturday that Iraq has yet to account for about two dozen
Scuds that United Nations inspectors have said were left over from the 1991 Gulf War.

Iraq also denies it holds any chemical or biological weapons. McChrystal said the United States
will either bomb any such weapons it should find or seize them with ground forces, whichever is
safer. He and other officials refused to say where in Iraq those searches are happening.

Also Saturday, the U.S. military abandoned plans to open a northern front against Iraq that would
have sent heavy armored forces streaming across the Turkish border.

Two U.S. defense officials said dozens of U.S. ships carrying weaponry for the Army's 4th Infantry
Division will head to the Persian Gulf after weeks of waiting off Turkey's coast while the two
countries tried to reach a deal.

McChrystal said that even without the 4th Infantry, "there will be a northern option." He would
not say what that might be. Other officials said Army airborne troops might join small numbers of
U.S. special operations forces already on the ground in northern Iraq, where American officials
fear clashes between Turkish forces and Iraqi Kurds.

Although U.S. officials on Friday said all 8,000 soldiers in Iraq's 51st Mechanized Division in
southern Iraq has surrendered, McChrystal said Saturday that only the unit's commanders gave
themselves up. The rest simply left the battlefield or were "melting away," he said.

McChrystal said the number of Iraqi prisoners of war was between 1,000 and 2,000.

In describing overall progress in the war, McChrystal said American and British forces have hit Iraq
with 500 cruise missiles -- 400 launched from ships and submarines and 100 launched from Air
Force bombers -- and several hundred precision-guided bombs over the past day. The use of
air-launched cruise missiles in Friday's attacks was the first since the war began.

Warplanes flew 1,000 missions from aircraft carriers and air bases in the region, he said.

Iraqi soldiers, "including some leadership," are surrendering and defecting in large numbers,
Pentagon spokeswoman Torie Clarke said.

"It is only a matter of time before the Iraqi regime is destroyed and its threat to the region ... is
ended," she said.

Northern Iraq is an important battleground because of the Kurdish presence in enclaves not
controlled by the Iraqi government. Turkey fears the Kurds will seize the northern oil fields or
establish an independent state, thus complicating Turkey's conflict with its own Kurdish minority.

The Pentagon wanted to put a heavy armored force into northern Iraq and had designated the 4th
Infantry for that mission. The only feasible avenue for them to reach northern Iraq was from
bases in Turkey, an option foreclosed by the Turkish government.

With U.S. ground forces advancing toward Baghdad, Pentagon officials expressed concerns the
troops might come across Republican Guard troops armed with chemical weapons.

"We would be hopeful that those with their triggers on these weapons understand what Secretary
Don Rumsfeld said in his comments yesterday: �Don't use it. Don't use it,"' Franks, the top U.S.
war commander, said Saturday at a news conference at his Persian Gulf command post.

The administration had once believed it could count on NATO ally Turkey to support the creation
of a northern front against Iraq. But after weeks of wrangling over financial compensation and
arrangements for Turkish forces to join the Americans in northern Iraq, the Pentagon has given
up.

The Turkish military on Saturday denied reports that 1,000 of its commandos had crossed into
northern Iraq. On Friday a military official had said soldiers in armored personnel carriers rolled
into northeastern Iraq near where the borders of Turkey, Iraq and Iran converge.

But on Saturday that was denied, and Pentagon officials said they saw no sign of a Turkish
incursion.

About 40 ships carrying the 4th Infantry Division's weaponry and equipment were to begin moving
through the Suez Canal on Sunday, said one U.S. official, speaking on condition of anonymity.

The 4th Infantry's soldiers, who remained at Fort Hood, Texas, after their weaponry and
equipment went to the Mediterranean last month, are likely to go to Kuwait, the officials said.

The redirected cargo ships are to begin arriving off the coast of Kuwait about March 30, one
official said. All the ships would arrive by about April 10.

From Kuwait they could move into Iraq to serve as reinforcements if the ground war lasts more
than several weeks, or as occupation forces after the Iraqi government's collapse.

Fox News' Bret Baier and Ian McCaleb contributed to this report.

let's hope everything will be over with no casualties but seems US planning a long term imploiment of their propaganda

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Originally posted by ZinG let's hope everything will be over with no casualties but seems US planning a long term imploiment of their propaganda

There are already many casualties of coalition soldiers and Iraqi civilians, but one is too many I guess.

Wow ... I never expected this much debate in an empty thread . Anyway this just popped into my head last night and I'm in dc this weekend visiting friends and again working off my gf's celeron 90 mhz lap top computer which has significant problems connecting to these forums. Anyway this is what I was going to say:

People often conclude that CNN is a completely biased, untrustworthy
news source because it has American affiliations. Fine I respect their
suspicions and their decision to use a multitiude of news sources. Hell
I myself like to use a wide variety of news sources before I arive at
conclusions. What irks me the most is that it seems that people
wholeheartedly accept middle eastern news sources such as al jazeera as
if they were the epitome of journalistic impartiality/the word of
muhhammad himself! Doesn't it occur to people that middle eastern news
sources are JUST as likely subjected to the same biases and influences
as western news sources??? Give me a break, how popular would al jazeera
be if it reported on something great that the americans did or something
positive about the american administration?

What brings this up is that I was listening to NPR radio in my car this
morning and a reporter in Baghdad actually went to the hospital to look
at the some 200+ casualties of the american cruise missile strikes.
What the reporter saw was that the vast majority of injuries were due to
the unexploded anti-aircraft artillery rounds that fell back to the
Earth after failing to explode at their set altitudes. Think about it,
you can see it on tv!! Those glowing rounds that shoot up, and then fall
back to Earth? Those are flak rounds that experience proximity fuse
errors and fall back to the ground to explode. Then you see on Al
jazeera all the "casualties" from the American strikes.

That's just one example that got me thinking about this topic. Would
anybody like to disagree with me and claim that middle eastern sources
are the journalistic saint theresas of the media? I'm just saying, that
if you're going to ignore cnn as biased media news source you might as
well ignore EVERY news source. Otherwise READ Al-Jazeera, READ BBC,
READ CNN, realize that ALL are biased, and then come to your
conclusions.

The truth lies somewhere in between ...


Look forward to getting back to my normal computer on monday and keeping up the fight.

you got it right man, that's what i do.

I actually find the CBC to be one of the best and most non biased around.

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Originally posted by occrider Wow ... I never expected this much debate in an empty thread . Anyway this just popped into my head last night and I'm in dc this weekend visiting friends and again working off my gf's celeron 90 mhz lap top computer which has significant problems connecting to these forums. Anyway this is what I was going to say: People often conclude that CNN is a completely biased, untrustworthy news source because it has American affiliations. Fine I respect their suspicions and their decision to use a multitiude of news sources. Hell I myself like to use a wide variety of news sources before I arive at conclusions. What irks me the most is that it seems that people wholeheartedly accept middle eastern news sources such as al jazeera as if they were the epitome of journalistic impartiality/the word of muhhammad himself! Doesn't it occur to people that middle eastern news sources are JUST as likely subjected to the same biases and influences as western news sources??? Give me a break, how popular would al jazeera be if it reported on something great that the americans did or something positive about the american administration? What brings this up is that I was listening to NPR radio in my car this morning and a reporter in Baghdad actually went to the hospital to look at the some 200+ casualties of the american cruise missile strikes. What the reporter saw was that the vast majority of injuries were due to the unexploded anti-aircraft artillery rounds that fell back to the Earth after failing to explode at their set altitudes. Think about it, you can see it on tv!! Those glowing rounds that shoot up, and then fall back to Earth? Those are flak rounds that experience proximity fuse errors and fall back to the ground to explode. Then you see on Al jazeera all the "casualties" from the American strikes. That's just one example that got me thinking about this topic. Would anybody like to disagree with me and claim that middle eastern sources are the journalistic saint theresas of the media? I'm just saying, that if you're going to ignore cnn as biased media news source you might as well ignore EVERY news source. Otherwise READ Al-Jazeera, READ BBC, READ CNN, realize that ALL are biased, and then come to your conclusions. The truth lies somewhere in between ... Look forward to getting back to my normal computer on monday and keeping up the fight.

Yeah I know man...
How do they know which civilians were hit by the Iraqi anti aircraft/anti-missile artillery? I'm sure it would be difficult to tell. There are also reports of people gathering on rooftops in Baghdad to watch the "fireworks" as some of them call it.

P.S> I like NPR too.

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Originally posted by ZinG I'll leave that to Zionist such as you i was pretty curious and realize that one of your interests in your profile is Zionism Keep up buddy *yawn*

What.... are you mentally retarded, because if you are i dont mean to offend you but your a very stupid person!

Why would a Zionist rest 'your' case????
You have claimed some fallacies to be fact, i asked you to prove it with any kind of source, you tell me that a "zionist such as me" should justify your ignorant claims....

You are one messed kid who has no clue of the world that surrounds you. You spew out shit, and than avoid backing it up with a post like this???


Does anyone else see the problem here?

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Originally posted by ZinG let's hope everything will be over with no casualties but seems US planning a long term imploiment of their propaganda

Do you know what the word propaganda means?

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Originally posted by JohnSmith you got it right man, that's what i do. I actually find the CBC to be one of the best and most non biased around.

Are you kidding me???

CBC is so utterly bias against Israel.
I don�t understand how an "intellectual" person such as yourself cant even point this out!

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