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Posted by *HaRRy* on Mar-23-2003 16:40:

Shame / Disagreement anti war?

a few quotes for you about saddams regime..

"there was a machine for shredding plastic, men were dropped into it and we were made to watch, sometimes they went in head first and died quickly, sometimes they went in feet first and died screaming" it goes on to say how their remains were put in plastic bags and they were used to feed fish.

"on several occasions i say Qusey hussain walk along the row of cells,open the slot in the door, and spray what i believe to be mustard gas into the cell.The bodies of the dead were bloated by the gas, they foamed at the mouth and were bleeding from the eyes, i remember one of them was only 12 years old" it goes on to say how the boy was pleading for his life, however ge was sprayed with gas and he died in agony.

"Women were suspended by their hair as their families watched; men were forced to watch their wives being raped...women we suspended by their legs while they were menstruating until their period was over, a procedure designed to cause humiliation.

"just last week, someone caught slanderring Saddam was tied to a lamp post, their tongue cut out. They were left to bleed to death as a warning to others"


Posted by Prototrance on Mar-23-2003 17:10:

Exactly. Thats why all this anti war shit pisses me off. Saddam needs to be removed from power and Iraq returned to its people.


Posted by Az on Mar-23-2003 18:19:

um, in case you hadn't noticed, he's probably already dead.
and the reason I was/am against this war, is that North Korea is a far more pressing problem....


Posted by Ste on Mar-23-2003 18:43:

quote:
Originally posted by Az
um, in case you hadn't noticed, he's probably already dead.
and the reason I was/am against this war, is that North Korea is a far more pressing problem....


osama bin ladens PROBABLY dead too, lets jsut forget about him aswell...


Posted by Az on Mar-23-2003 18:45:

quote:
Originally posted by Dumonde Trancer
osama bin ladens PROBABLY dead too, lets jsut forget about him aswell...

no he's in a cave on the afghan pakistan border, the SAS are looking for him as we speak
CIA tortured the bloke who planned sept 11th, and he told them where he was.....
they've been monitoring mobile and satellite phone calls from the mountain area, and he's definately there
god.....


Posted by jon on Mar-23-2003 18:57:

quote:
Originally posted by Az
um, in case you hadn't noticed, he's probably already dead.
and the reason I was/am against this war, is that North Korea is a far more pressing problem....


yeah but if we go to war with north korea you can gurantee that they will fire upon south korea and probabley japan as well, as even though they dont have nuk's they have quite powerfull missiels with a fair bit of range...


Posted by Az on Mar-23-2003 18:59:

quote:
Originally posted by jonsimmonds
yeah but if we go to war with north korea you can gurantee that they will fire upon south korea and probabley japan as well, as even though they dont have nuk's they have quite powerfull missiels with a fair bit of range...

so....
which would you prefer
them firing some non nuclear weapons at s.korea and japan before america bombs them back to the stone age
or them firing nuclear weapons at s.korea, japan and america before America decimates the far east?
I know which I'd do....


Posted by goose_wh on Mar-23-2003 19:09:


look at 'em.. best mates really!


Posted by sykadelik on Mar-23-2003 19:34:


Posted by jon on Mar-23-2003 19:45:

quote:
Originally posted by Az
so....
which would you prefer
them firing some non nuclear weapons at s.korea and japan before america bombs them back to the stone age
or them firing nuclear weapons at s.korea, japan and america before America decimates the far east?
I know which I'd do....


true, but all what will happen is a situation very similar to usa and russia during the cold war era, america will have a shit load of subs caring nuk warheads in the sea near north korea as well as having some land based missile instaliations aimed at north korea, the min north korea launch a nuke, usa will launch one back...


Posted by Dj O'Callaghan on Mar-23-2003 20:37:

Well put Harry

About 3 weeks ago I changed my mind about this war, I watched some documentary about the reigme in Iraq on discovery or History don't ask how I watched them channels I was just channel hopping anyways. He is fucked in the head, I saw this Baath party conforence with about 200 of Saddams minsters sitting in a massive hall, it was recorded on Iraqi tv, and it had Saddam reading out a list of about 25 people who were supposidly against him in his party even though it was a random list it was like the purges some these blokes hadn't done a thing to him and he read out their names some sat their with dignity and got pulled out their chair by soldiers others stoud up and pleaded they were innocent, others just sobbed, out all the ppl who got called out only 2 ended up surviving after being tortured for days and being told they were to go into exile.

And if anyone thinks that Qusays bad, his older son Uday is 100Xs worse, Saddam got a second wife which to Uday dishonoured his mother, he found out who introduced Saddams second wife to him and it was Saddams food tester, their was supposidly a meal in hounour of Egyptian president so Uday walked in with a baseball bat or an axe handle and bludgeoned this food tester to death in front of about 200 people his punishment. Sent to Geneva to work at the Iraqi Embassy.

In this I think everys open to their views with this war however, If you protest I think your fucking stupid, as you will not stop the war Washington and Whitehall are the only ones who can stop this war, and all your doing is wasting the polices time, they have to watch and check these protests run smoothly, it takes 100s of cops to look after these protests doing that your leaving this country unsecure your giving terrorists an open window to carry out attacks as the cops are too busy dealing with fucking spastic school kids, and Eton school toffs.

I know people who are against this war, but one thing they are doing is supporting the troops if you do that and you fucking should, its honourable and it shows to me you have guts and pride.

And North Korea do they scare me NO! their little bastards if it did kick off in North Korea I'll fight I'll fucking massacre the little bastards their fucking chior boys.


Posted by TranceGiant on Mar-23-2003 22:28:

quote:
Originally posted by Dj O'Callaghan

And North Korea do they scare me NO! their little bastards if it did kick off in North Korea I'll fight I'll fucking massacre the little bastards their fucking chior boys.







Posted by Robert on Mar-24-2003 09:08:

quote:
Originally posted by Az
so....
which would you prefer
them firing some non nuclear weapons at s.korea and japan before america bombs them back to the stone age
or them firing nuclear weapons at s.korea, japan and america before America decimates the far east?
I know which I'd do....



NK is a completely different situation. If the US (+allies) attack NK for whatever reason, no doubt China will get involved by supporting NK, and loads of other NK/China friendly countries. And there is no way the US can afford a war with China. Without using nukes, China will win for sure.


Posted by Ste on Mar-24-2003 10:05:

i actually posted them as harry, and i just want to say i dont really give a shit. i posted it to get peopel in a huff about something which neither concerns or affects them (unless theyre shagging a squaddie)

let me think how much this war is going to affect my life.

oh wait. it wont.

millions of people die every year from starvation, flooding etc, but nobody really cares about them. one rule for some and one for another as they say.

also most anti war people are jsut bandwagons jumpers that protest for peace top feel liek theyve done somethign good or charitable, why dont you give money to help starving children then? oh wait, it costs you money, and anti war protesting doesnt. sily me.

get over it


Posted by jon on Mar-24-2003 10:43:

well it does affect me a bit, two of my mates are in the paratroupers 1's a radio specilist and onces a medic


Posted by Ste on Mar-24-2003 15:05:

quote:
Originally posted by jonsimmonds
well it does affect me a bit, two of my mates are in the paratroupers 1's a radio specilist and onces a medic
there ya go then,

99.9% of everone else though = "no score"


Posted by Dave_Masters on Mar-24-2003 21:03:


I agree with ste that most of the "Anti-War" protestors are "bandwagons jumpers that protest for peace top feel liek theyve done somethign good or charitable"

Most of them are most likely "hippie" natured and have no clue to what goes on with saddams regieme or any clue of politics.

And i am more than 90% certain that if a suicide iraqi bomber killed a member of a anti-war protestor's family or friend that their opinion on the war would change.

I went to school with a 40 Royal Marine Commando who is currently front line, aswell as one of my best mates who is in the signals which is why i am interested in the subject.

No the war doesnt effect me directly, but that doesnt mean to say the best way to deal with issues is to not give a fuck or. "get over it". If no-one gave a fuck about anything what sort of world would the place be?

P.S How shit are the american forces??




Posted by jon on Mar-24-2003 21:31:

quote:
Originally posted by DaveC

P.S How shit are the american forces??


not comenting on other parts of the us forces, but them B-52's are amazing all that fire power they contain, i saw the footage of them taking off today and glad i aint anywhere near its target sites


Posted by Ste on Mar-24-2003 21:33:

quote:
Originally posted by jonsimmonds
not comenting on other parts of the us forces, but them B-52's are amazing all that fire power they contain, i saw the footage of them taking off today and glad i aint anywhere near its target sites


haha yeh, shame their patriot missile controllers cant tell the diff between an Al Samoud missile and a UK tornado


Posted by Dave_Masters on Mar-24-2003 21:55:

quote:
Originally posted by jonsimmonds
not comenting on other parts of the us forces, but them B-52's are amazing all that fire power they contain, i saw the footage of them taking off today and glad i aint anywhere near its target sites



Yeh, the patriots missiles are partically amazing as demonstrated this week, the same goes for their A10's which they demonstrated in the last gulf war.


Posted by Robert on Mar-24-2003 21:57:

B52 Stratofortress


Primary function: Heavy bomber
Speed: 650 mph
Armament: 70,000 pounds of mixed ordnance, including bombs, mines and missiles
Crew: Five -- commander, pilot, radar navigator, navigator and electronic warfare officer

Massive airplane, 185ft wingspan. it even needs extra landinggear on the wings so they don't scrape over the ground.


Posted by Dave_Masters on Mar-24-2003 22:22:



Patriot Missile - Air Defense System

Primary Function : Take out all allied aircraft.


Posted by joeh on Mar-24-2003 23:03:

This is a British plane:


This is Iraq's most well armed plane:


This is a patriot missile:


This man operates it:


And this is the only man on the planet with a lower iq score:


Posted by Az on Mar-25-2003 00:04:

quote:
Originally posted by DaveC

I agree with ste that most of the "Anti-War" protestors are "bandwagons jumpers that protest for peace top feel liek theyve done somethign good or charitable"

don't agree with that at all, you ask most people, they'll be worried about the increased threat in terrorist attacks, the incompetance and alterior motives of the American 'regime'. Or may be thats just me and everyone I know
quote:

Most of them are most likely "hippie" natured and have no clue to what goes on with saddams regieme or any clue of politics.

those bastard hippies! aren't most of their parents politicians? or is that just Jack Straws lad

quote:

And i am more than 90% certain that if a suicide iraqi bomber killed a member of a anti-war protestor's family or friend that their opinion on the war would change.

and i'm 90% certain if a suicidal texan redneck bomber killed a member of your family, your opinion on the war would change....
come off it dave, when have the iraqi's ever been suicide bombers?
quote:

I went to school with a 40 Royal Marine Commando who is currently front line, aswell as one of my best mates who is in the signals which is why i am interested in the subject.

good luck and godspeed to the lads, they'll need it with the americans about

quote:

No the war doesnt effect me directly, but that doesnt mean to say the best way to deal with issues is to not give a fuck or. "get over it". If no-one gave a fuck about anything what sort of world would the place be?[/quote/
confused me here mate, so the anti war protestors don't give a fuck what kind of world we live in, and don't give a fuck whats going on?

[quote]
P.S How shit are the american forces??


very


Posted by NFA on Mar-25-2003 08:27:

Shame / Disagreement

well,

FUCK WAR!!!!

I know what goes on in saddams regime, what i don't like is the fact that it's bush who's doing it. i don't trust him or rumsfield as far as i could throw them.

no band wagon hopper here, i've been protesting 4 10 years. not as much as i used to though, seen too many police stations from the inside...


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