Trying to find out what this lead is...

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Posted by Havok1200 on Mar-26-2003 06:34:

Trying to find out what this lead is...

I've been trying to find out what this sound is and how to apply it either via sample or programmed via synth. Your help will be greatly appreciated!

REACT - Let's Go All The Way(1998) done by Johnny Vicious

Posted by TranceInMySoul on Mar-26-2003 19:55:

Please post a sound sample of what you're talking about, because I (and probably most other people) are too lazy to find the track you're talking about

Posted by Havok1200 on Mar-26-2003 20:07:

Sorry there was a problem with board last night and the file was not being uploaded.

So here it is. The bar as it is played and how it is heard when sustained.

REACT

P.S. I don't see it linked maybe you do?

Posted by Martin McG on Mar-26-2003 20:50:

you aint posted the link man

Posted by Passiva on Mar-26-2003 21:11:

You can only attach a sound file in the Unknown Tracks Forum. Please upload it somewhere and post the link!

Posted by Havok1200 on Mar-26-2003 22:42:

OK Here it is...

What a pain in the...,but anyway it starts with the synth in it's line then ends with it being sustained.

http://hstrial-walbino.homestead.com/files/JV_DUB.mp3

Posted by hey cheggy on Mar-27-2003 01:00:

Sounds like a cross between a saw and a bit of square. With some chorus and heaps of reverb. Sounds like there might be some sub-oscillation in there as well.

Just my guess though

Posted by Havok1200 on Mar-27-2003 01:05:

Seems to be that this is a hoover sound. OK I checked up on this and still am at a loss because I 've heard many variations to this sound but not on comes close to it. What have you used in order to come as close as possible to this song? The sample route is cool but you can't zone a single sample across a whole keyboard without having disasterous effects. No softsynth so challenging that I can't arrange the parameters. So hit me with the info.

But I'm also getting info that it's a supersaw...

Posted by TranceInMySoul on Mar-27-2003 19:03:

Tips on getting that sound:

- Detune your synth oscillators a little
- Add a bit of LFO on the pitch
- Massive amounts of chorus
- Not too much reverb (disagree with the earlier comment )

Posted by Havok1200 on Mar-27-2003 20:39:

OK.
I'm not a synth programmer, and it's difficult for me to do. But as far as I know this is all still new to me. I would have to sit in front of a synth for 3 months just to understand the basics quality of sound that I need to get. And I'm not asking you to do my homework either. But is this hoover or supersaw? What is the primary waveform to use? As far as detuning (I'm sorry I haven't gotten my head around cents and millicents) about how much? Let's say I'm working with the FM7 or the Pro5 (or other) would this be prefered? And the LFO would higher or lower be prefered?

I understand the chorus (It is a big sound) and the reverb (where t sits in relation to the stereo field. But is it a single waveform stacked on top of each other to give it it's thickness. The ASDR the attack is quick, the sustain is long, decay is quick, and the release is quick. The filter I don't know. The waveform I guess is square or saw. The LFO should modulate the pitch. Is that it or am I missing something?

I do have the sample isolated in wave and SF2 would it be a good idea to examine the sound side by side in some way or form?

Posted by TranceInMySoul on Mar-28-2003 20:29:

If you're just starting out, I'd advise to use the Pro 5 rather than FM7, as it is easier to understand how the sounds are built.

Start by using saw waves, as they have more harmonics (i.e. they have more frequencies making up a single sound). This will naturally give a fatter sound to start with.

Reverb is a spatial effect, simulating what your sound source might sound like in different rooms (e.g. a small church, a large concert hall etc.) Reverb can add space to a sound, but it can make the sound lose definition. For your fat lead, try adding a little until you can hear the difference, but not too much.

As for the other parameters (detuning, LFO amount) just try starting with a little and adding more and more. You should be able to hear the difference made and when it gets too much, just reduce it a bit again and leave it at that. Part of the joy (and skill) of synth programming is to adjust everything until it sounds good and fits in your track nicely.

A final point, IMO you should use your ears for comparing sounds, don't examine the waveforms. It's about how it sounds, not how it looks

Posted by Havok1200 on Mar-28-2003 21:49:

Can you explain the tuning aspect being cent and millicents? That I don't understand. What is it in relation to tones(whole & semi)? It'll help me with not just this but with pads as well.
And on a side note regarding envelopes, is there a site or a book that might breakdown the ASDR of various instruments? Because I have an idea of a sound, but I'm not sure what would the ASDR for instrument would be. And it's not an instrument but more of a noise like an air horn.

Posted by brash on Mar-29-2003 02:44:

I highly recommend getting the book Sound Synthesis and Sampling.