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Aljazeera is down for 4days

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Aljazeera TV, March 26, 2003: The most popular TV station in the Arab world announced that since the start of the war against Iraq, its internet website has been repeatedly attacked by computer hackers. The website, whose internet traffic is now 185 Megabyte per second (M/S)�up from 35 M/S a week ago�claims that the organized sabotage is yet another front of the war waged by UK and American governments in the Middle East . The site says hackers speed up their attacks when Aljazeera posted pictures of American POWs on its website. According to the website this is not the first time US government is trying to silence the network: after the events of September 11, 2001, the FBI burst into an internet company hosting the Aljazeera website and confiscated the all it equipment. In another incident, because of unbearable pressure from �certain countries�, the biggest software and hosting companies refused to provide service to Aljazeera. Editor�s Note: Apparently, due to another wave of sabotage, the Aljazeera website is today inaccessible.

Nasdaq Stock Market Turns Away Al Jazeera
Wed March 26, 2003 04:04 PM ET
By Nicole Maestri

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NEW YORK (Reuters) - Arabic-language television network al Jazeera, banned this week from airing live market reports from the floor of the New York Stock Exchange, has also been turned down by the Nasdaq Stock Market Inc. Al Jazeera asked Nasdaq on Tuesday for permission to broadcast live reports from its building in Times Square, Nasdaq spokeswoman Silvia Davi said, but the request was denied. She would not expand on why the Nasdaq refused. The NYSE this week revoked credentials that allowed two al Jazeera reporters to broadcast from its fabled trading floor on Wall Street, saying its credentials were for networks that provided "responsible" coverage. Some in the news business said the ban violated freedom of the press and set a bad precedent. "This is ridiculous," said Jeffrey Chester, executive director of the Center for Digital Democracy, a media watchdog group in Washington, D.C. "Clearly, it is a violation of press freedom." Al Jazeera has been criticized in the United States for broadcasting Iraqi television footage of U.S. prisoners of war and Iraqi casualties. Al Jazeera had been reporting from the NYSE for four or five years, said NYSE spokesman Ray Pellecchia. He said the NYSE has a finite number of broadcast slots available, and wants to give priority to networks that "investors look to find out what's going on in the market." Of the 25 or so networks that broadcast from the NYSE trading floor, al Jazeera is the only network to lose its credentials. Al Jazeera said on Tuesday it regretted the NYSE decision. "We urge the NYSE to reconsider its decision in the interest of upholding the values of the United States of America," the network said in a statement. The NYSE is not reconsidering, Pellecchia said on Wednesday. Al Jazeera could not immediately be reached for further comment.

this is unnaceptable!

People have access to uncensored news and imagery and these bastards wants it to shut down!

Freedom of speech, MY ASS!!

If the US govt had good intentions, why silence this uncensored media?

rediculous

the fact is what they're doing on that website under the geneva convention concerning Prisonner"s Of War is illegal ....


but ... that's beyond the point


( no flaming intended )

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and then they claim "oh no we don't hate arabs or muslims"

Why are people associating hacker attacks by individuals against Al Jazeera as being synonymous with attacks by the US government? If you ask me you're generalizing the actions of the few as being the actions or the will of the many. There have been hackers attacking US government websites posting anti-war messages, and I have yet to see the US government come out to claim that the "Arab/Terrorist" community is attacking the US government . What happend to that US company occurred LONG before this whole middle east crisis even began! At that time there was nothing to report so it could hardly be considered as cencorship of the press since there was nothing to censor!

And excuse me if the US government objects to video shoots of Iraqi troops lifting up the DEAD BODIES of american soldiers, gloating to show where THEY ARE SHOT IN THE HEAD. What, do you think that Americans are too stupid to realize that a dead soldier MEANS a dead soldier??? That we need to see video footage illustrating how a soldier died to embrace the concept that that person is dead??? Well let's forget about the families of these soldiers who have to look at these images again and again and again ... the American people NEED to see this! It is OUR RIGHT to watch the tragedy of others! Gimme a break ... these pictures are sadistic and manipulative in nature. A societal desire to extend reality tv to the next level. You don't see Americans lifting up Iraqi corpes to show to the entire world how they were killed do you??? Well fair is fair maybe we SHOULD! The Iraqis are doing it so it MUST be ok! I'm sure Al-jazeera will air it ...

Al-jazeera = Arab equivalent of Fox News....

Both are about equally disgusting IMO.

hehe how do you know? you understand Arabic?

Arabic socities and western socities aren't alike. Showing someone dead on Arabic tv is very normal and happens quite frequently. In here, it is something that is unnaceptable. Both cultures have different values about this matter.

When I was young, I remember seeing dead soldiers from the Iran-Iraq war on Syrian/Iraqi TV. It was news like any other news.

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Why are people associating hacker attacks by individuals against Al Jazeera as being synonymous with attacks by the US government?

I'm not implying that the United States is responsible for hacking Al-Jazeera. It's temping to do so but we simply don't know who the hacker(s) are. However, to deny an organization the access to the NYSE and Nasdaq buildings is another issue. The Al Jezeera network are not terrorists, they will not bomb the NYSE and Nasdaq buildings, they have no malicious intentions, they are simply journalists. By denying them access, we are sending a clear message of intolerance to those who do not share our outlook on things. It's ironic to observe this in a country that is founded on the idea of tolerance.

So why is the NYSE and Nasdaq punishing these journalists? It is because Al Jazeera aired clips of fallen American and British soldiers. Your right occrider, the American people don't need to see those clips and instead they may choose to remain in that dellusional state of mind filled with illusions and deceptions that they consider reality. I will not speculate on what Al Jazeera's intention for showing these clips was--instead I view the segments as reminders of the grit, pain and horror that is war (which they unquestionably are).
I'm an advocate of all free speech and though, as ugly as it may be.

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Originally posted by DaveSaenz Al-jazeera = Arab equivalent of Fox News.... Both are about equally disgusting IMO.

jackshit

f0x news is pro governmental

al jazeera isn't since they denounce every single corrupt arab leader out there

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Originally posted by fastmp3 jackshit f0x news is pro governmental al jazeera isn't since they denounce every single corrupt arab leader out there

Hmm. Ok.
Name some non-corrupt Arab leaders...

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Originally posted by ahlamalek hehe how do you know? you understand Arabic? Arabic socities and western socities aren't alike. Showing someone dead on Arabic tv is very normal and happens quite frequently. In here, it is something that is unnaceptable. Both cultures have different values about this matter. When I was young, I remember seeing dead soldiers from the Iran-Iraq war on Syrian/Iraqi TV. It was news like any other news.

He does have a good point. Americans are in a reality very diferent than many other countries. In fact ALL other countrys. People are suffering world wide and deal with local death every day. Perhaps it allot more to do with how the GOV wants the people to percive what is going on. I could be nuts but weve seen allot of control and questionable actions from the govs in the past when dealing with reporters who try to actualy report whats IS happening in times of war.

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Originally posted by ahlamalek hehe how do you know? you understand Arabic?

well I'm waiting for http://english.aljazeera.net to come back up. Heres a site with others attempts to get it http://azplace.net/view.php?page=Ho...eera+In+English . I'm assuming I'm going to find a website similar to http://www.godhatesamerica.com/ and would be really surprised if it wasn't another propaganda news channel just with an Arab angle.

i know it's just a conspiracy theory.. but the US military could have actually ordered the hack and shut down of A.J.'s site for propaganda reasons .. but i guess we'll never know forsure ..

does this mean someone is gonna hack CNN.com .. ?

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Originally posted by Mental Exodus He does have a good point. Americans are in a reality very diferent than many other countries. In fact ALL other countrys. People are suffering world wide and deal with local death every day. Perhaps it allot more to do with how the GOV wants the people to percive what is going on. I could be nuts but weve seen allot of control and questionable actions from the govs in the past when dealing with reporters who try to actualy report whats IS happening in times of war.

eh? Maybe I should try jumping off the top of a skyscrapper since I'm apparently in another reality with out death(note to non Americans do not attempt this in your own country/reality as loss of life/ severe injuries my be incurred in doing so). I'm confused as some of the time you forum goers love to point out the number of gun deaths/poverty/etc in America then one of you claims we live with a Disneyland mindset that knows no suffering... I would be surprised if your goverenments aren't trying to show you all the negatives/propganda and being as cynical as possible to support their own positions/interests.

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Originally posted by PeacefulWarrior So why is the NYSE and Nasdaq punishing these journalists? It is because Al Jazeera aired clips of fallen American and British soldiers. Your right occrider, the American people don't need to see those clips and instead they may choose to remain in that dellusional state of mind filled with illusions and deceptions that they consider reality. I will not speculate on what Al Jazeera's intention for showing these clips was--instead I view the segments as reminders of the grit, pain and horror that is war (which they unquestionably are). I'm an advocate of all free speech and though, as ugly as it may be.

So I'm being dellusional just because I'd rather not see pictures that add further humiliation to the dead?? Nobody is so stupid as to think that when the pentagon says we have 49 combat casualties that these people were dying in their sleep. It's fairly easy to come to the conclusion that they either died by a) bullet or b) shrapnel and that it's not going to be a pretty sight. Why do I need to see pictures of that to realize war is horrible??? I already realize that it is!! Of course war is horrible I don't think that there's anybody out there that will say it's not. What so is it ok for all of us to be voyeurs now???

Broadcasting images of dead americans and showing the bullet holes in their heads is despicable and tasteless. It serves no journalistic purpose at all!

occcrider Aljazeera hosted its website on another domain 2days ago
Last night it's down as well.
now they have an domain IP spreading secretaly online just so noone will attack it.

OMG ignorance. where's the proof that the US government has anything to do with this so called "hacking"....

yeah my comp got hacked into the other day. i know it did. so am i going to say that the government of an Arab country was behind it? after all, i AM a supporter of the war/troops.

>JM<

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Originally posted by JM OMG ignorance. where's the proof that the US government has anything to do with this so called "hacking".... yeah my comp got hacked into the other day. i know it did. so am i going to say that the government of an Arab country was behind it? after all, i AM a supporter of the war/troops. >JM<

yes it was a tunisian hacker because he didn't like your posts here

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Originally posted by fastmp3 yes it was a tunisian hacker because he didn't like your posts here

it was you i know it stop putting blame on others (i'm telling you man there's nothing good on my comp except the 100 gigs or so of music...plz dont delete those)



>JM<

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the fact is what they're doing on that website under the geneva convention concerning Prisonner"s Of War is illegal ....

The US media has shown Iraqi POW's prior to the Al Jazeera footage.

Occrider:

Media should be allowed to put up any kind of material it wants, and it's not up to the government to decide if that material is appropriate for the people or not. The people should decide whether that material is crap or not. Otherwise you have state controlled media in a country that's so loud about keeping their media free and unopressed. It's not better than the official Iraqi tv then, in fact it's worse because Iraq is at least honest and doesn't claim it has free media. Nobody is forcing you to watch killed american soldiers, and you can switch the channel if you want to. Besides, in the rest of the world (here at least), media are frequently showing pictures of dead bodies, and it's nothing anybody gets fussed up about.

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Originally posted by JM it was you i know it stop putting blame on others (i'm telling you man there's nothing good on my comp except the 100 gigs or so of music...plz dont delete those) >JM<

ROFLMAO my days of netbus and nuke on windows 95 are over

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Originally posted by Mental Exodus He does have a good point. Americans are in a reality very diferent than many other countries. In fact ALL other countrys. People are suffering world wide and deal with local death every day. Perhaps it allot more to do with how the GOV wants the people to percive what is going on. I could be nuts but weve seen allot of control and questionable actions from the govs in the past when dealing with reporters who try to actualy report whats IS happening in times of war.

CNN= Censored News Network ???

or

Crappy News Network ????

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 The US media has shown Iraqi POW's prior to the Al Jazeera footage. Occrider: Media should be allowed to put up any kind of material it wants, and it's not up to the government to decide if that material is appropriate for the people or not. The people should decide whether that material is crap or not. Otherwise you have state controlled media in a country that's so loud about keeping their media free and unopressed. It's not better than the official Iraqi tv then, in fact it's worse because Iraq is at least honest and doesn't claim it has free media. Nobody is forcing you to watch killed american soldiers, and you can switch the channel if you want to. Besides, in the rest of the world (here at least), media are frequently showing pictures of dead bodies, and it's nothing anybody gets fussed up about.

I'm not arguing for cencorship, I'm critisizing al jazeera's decision to show that particular footage. They could at least be a little more tasteful so you can't identify the dead. Airing what they just aired would be like me going to an earthquake disaster site and taking pictures of dead bodies, showing close ups of their injuries, getting a close up of their faces, and then coming home to post it on the web.

However, the media should NOT be allowed to air "anything" they want because we have a certain right to privacy. Even if I'm dead, that doesn't give CNN the right to open up my coffin to take pictures of me. It's disrespectful and invasive. At any rate I'm merely stating that the NYSE was likely offended in much the same way that it offended me, and thus it is THEIR RIGHT and perogative to revoke Al-Jazeera's access to the floor if they so choose to.

If you call that an attack on Al-Jazeera well then Al-Jazeera attacked us first with their tasteless journalism. Dont get me wrong, I admire and respect al-jazeera as a whole, I just don't agree with their decision to show that particular footage.

Edit: And I don't think that the government should cencor anything about the media except for upholding a citizen's right to privacy and slander laws.

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