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This really pissed me off.
I was in a reprographics shop yesterday getting my album covers and promo covers printed off. Then this fucking old hippy woman walks in to collect a box of stuff she had had printed. She opened it and it was a box of those 'Not in my name' war protesting posters.

I didnt say anything at the time but I am kicking myself for that now. I cannot believe people are protesting against the war when our military men & women are dying, getting captured and generally putting themselves through hell for all of us.

they're going through hell for Halliburton

nooooooooo proto change you AV back!

btw, yeah that sux man

Well as my teacher said, there is no point protesting about it now, we should just support our troops, who are risking their lives for our future safety

Yeh and if there wasnt a war then they would be putting their life on the line. Think about it, its very simple.

If you think that these british soldiers should be putting their lives on the line for american greed then you obviously dont support them and think their lives are cheap.

Totally agree that the troops should be shown support, but I also accept that not everyone agrees with war.

I know there will always be people who protest against war, whether it's happening or not. Diversity of belief is one of the things that makes the human race what it is.

protestors..... what fuckin A-Holes.

I live in wiltshire... the home to many "White Horses" made from chalk engraved into the hills....

Some fecking twats of protesters have written across it

"Stop Ths War"

^ No, that wasnt a typo, they didnt even manage to spell 'This' correctly.

The damamged assesed came to �3,000. �3,000 that could either be used for aid supplys to the civilian iraqis, or military equipment for our troops.

One word for these people : ****S

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Originally posted by [N]�k|��[Z] nooooooooo proto change you AV back!

agreed.. the other one was top good

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Originally posted by joeh152 Yeh and if there wasnt a war then they would be putting their life on the line. Think about it, its very simple. If you think that these british soldiers should be putting their lives on the line for american greed then you obviously dont support them and think their lives are cheap.

I have good friends out there. Guys who I trained with and drew blood and sweat with in the ATC. I definately DO support our troops so dont EVER spin that sort of shit towards me again....... are we clear?

Nukleus and Mikey Mike. Sorry guys - Ferry is staying in the Avatar for a bit. He got a bit lonely. But Armin will be back soon

Nick u coming to armin 4 hr?

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Originally posted by Coup Nick u coming to armin 4 hr?

Yes mate.

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Originally posted by Prototrance I have good friends out there. Guys who I trained with and drew blood and sweat with in the ATC. I definately DO support our troops so dont EVER spin that sort of shit towards me again....... are we clear?

Just because you know people fighting doesnt mean I can't express an opinion..... do you understand this?

I don't see that someone can support troops if they want them to go to war and possibly die for another countries greed.

I am 100% against this war.
i think our reasons for being involved are false, and still as yet have to see any evidence of saddams weapons of mass destruction.

but before u go off on one at me, i support our troops over there, after all it's not thier fault they are there fighting and dieing, its the fault of the US and UK governments.
I also agree that Saddam needs to be deposed but there is many other ways of doing it than going to war with him.
I want the war ended NOW and our fighting forces back home !

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Originally posted by joeh152 Just because you know people fighting doesnt mean I can't express an opinion..... do you understand this? I don't see that someone can support troops if they want them to go to war and possibly die for another countries greed.

You have left the point here mate. I was pissed off because you accused me of not supporting our troops (and therefore some of my mates) simply because our government was a part of US greed.
I'll break it down 4 u.

I said - support our troops
U said - The war is about US greed, if you support our troops then you care only for US greed and not our troops.

Get it? You were talking shite mate. Have your opinion, I will not take that from you - or bash you for expressing one - just dont try to tell me what mine is.

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Originally posted by Prototrance You have left the point here mate. I was pissed off because you accused me of not supporting our troops (and therefore some of my mates) simply because our government was a part of US greed. I'll break it down 4 u. I said - support our troops U said - The war is about US greed, if you support our troops then you care only for US greed and not our troops. Get it? You were talking shite mate. Have your opinion, I will not take that from you - or bash you for expressing one - just dont try to tell me what mine is.

no, i said that if you support the troops then you wouldnt want them to die for another countries greed.

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Originally posted by Prototrance You were talking shite mate.

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Originally posted by joeh152 no, i said that if you support the troops then you wouldnt want them to die for another countries greed.

Then you are correct. I dont want them to die. But what choice have they got? They have to follow orders, as I will when I sign on the line later this year. And I will stand with them all the way.



P.S - Coup, thought you might like that!!

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Originally posted by Prototrance Then you are correct. I dont want them to die. But what choice have they got? They have to follow orders, as I will when I sign on the line later this year. And I will stand with them all the way. P.S - Coup, thought you might like that!!

I dont care if you support them in fighting - what I do care is when you say you wanted to start something with an old anti war hippie.

You do support the war, not just the troops though.

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Originally posted by Prototrance P.S - Coup, thought you might like that!!

hahah, when i read it, i imagined ur voice saying it, and it cracked me up

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Originally posted by joeh152 I dont care if you support them in fighting - what I do care is when you say you wanted to start something with an old anti war hippie. You do support the war, not just the troops though.

I see. Ok then. I'll give you some flaming food. I wish that I had slapped that aged hippy bitch round the face then dragged her to see every one of our troops that have died in Iraq fighting to give her the freedom to walk around wearing fucking stupid dreadlocks and smelling like shit protesting about it.

Yes I am a **** - but I love me.

Royal Marines carry one of their number from an RAF transport plane that arrived at RAF Brize Norton from the Gulf on 29, 2003. Almost 85 percent of the British soldiers killed so far in Iraq (news - web sites) have died in accidents or 'friendly fire.' Troops killed in helicopter accidents, pilots shot down by U.S. missiles, tank crews shot dead by their own side -- that has been the almost daily litany from the frontline. (Steffan Rousseau/Pool/Reuters)

This is an extractn from the latest medialens report. Thought it might be of interest to some of you, seeing the direction this thread has taken:

While we feel sympathy for the plight of our troops we grieve for all
who die in this war - we agree with the respected political commentator,
George W. Bush, who said recently of military responsibility:

It will be no defence to say, I was just following orders." (The
Scotsman, Bush orders Saddam to flee, March 18, 2003)

We also note the view of Justice Robert Jackson, chief prosecutor at the
Nuremberg trials in 1946, who said:

"The very essence of the Nuremberg charter is that individuals have
international duties which transcend national obligations of obedience
imposed by the state." (John Pilger, Disobey, March 13, 2003)

We are all human beings no one is granted special exemption from moral
responsibility, least of all people engaged in killing. Our TVs have
been full of soldiers and airmen declaring innocently: Im just here to
do a job and to do it to the best of my ability.

But killing and mutilating people in a cynical and illegal war are about
far more than just doing a job. Why do we imagine that signing a
contract and agreeing to abide by certain rules in exchange for money
means we are relieved of our responsibility as moral actors? What does
our promise to do as we are ordered mean when we are ordered to
incinerate innocent men, women and child? Which is more important our
agreement, or the burning to death of innocents?

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Originally posted by magicsushi This is an extractn from the latest medialens report. Thought it might be of interest to some of you, seeing the direction this thread has taken: While we feel sympathy for the plight of our troops we grieve for all who die in this war - we agree with the respected political commentator, George W. Bush, who said recently of military responsibility: It will be no defence to say, I was just following orders." (The Scotsman, Bush orders Saddam to flee, March 18, 2003) We also note the view of Justice Robert Jackson, chief prosecutor at the Nuremberg trials in 1946, who said: "The very essence of the Nuremberg charter is that individuals have international duties which transcend national obligations of obedience imposed by the state." (John Pilger, Disobey, March 13, 2003) We are all human beings no one is granted special exemption from moral responsibility, least of all people engaged in killing. Our TVs have been full of soldiers and airmen declaring innocently: Im just here to do a job and to do it to the best of my ability. But killing and mutilating people in a cynical and illegal war are about far more than just doing a job. Why do we imagine that signing a contract and agreeing to abide by certain rules in exchange for money means we are relieved of our responsibility as moral actors? What does our promise to do as we are ordered mean when we are ordered to incinerate innocent men, women and child? Which is more important our agreement, or the burning to death of innocents?

Interesting. With the above information in mind, consider the actions of Saddam Hussein against his own people, who can be classed as innocent men, women and children.
That is what this war is about - getting rid of Saddam and his regime that does the terrible things described in those quotes on a normal day basis - not in a war theatre as we unfortunately have to do it.

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Originally posted by Prototrance I see. Ok then. I'll give you some flaming food. I wish that I had slapped that aged hippy bitch round the face then dragged her to see every one of our troops that have died in Iraq fighting to give her the freedom to walk around wearing fucking stupid dreadlocks and smelling like shit protesting about it. Yes I am a **** - but I love me.

I would have liked to slap her two!

I fucking hate protestors. Disagreeing is one thing. Causing havook is another.

IMO the war is certainly justified. He has had so many chances, and saying "we havent seen proof of chemical weapons" is crud, they found 300 chemical protection suits in iraq, along with antidote injector jobbers.

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