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War has never solved anything...

that must have been in a prowar march, i can see the American Flag in the background.

BTW, there is a pictures thread

By the wat Johnsmith, for your body counter, I just read today that some 3,000 Iraquies were killed ( militaries ) that's if that counts into.

How exactly did war end communism?

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Originally posted by Renegade How exactly did war end communism?

War ended communisim by containing its spread, and threatening it's end by destroying the whole world if it becomes commy

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Originally posted by Yoepus by destroying the whole world

yay!

Re: War has never solved anything...

I'm reminded of a scene in Monty Python's "The Life of Brian", where the People's Front of Judea are holding a meeting, and the leader asks "What have the Romans ever done for us?"

He's then greeted with a plethora of answers, ranging from public health to education. War is really very similar. We may not like it, but without war, we never would have achieved so many of the things we have a species. It is the sacrifices of our ancestors that have allowed us the life of relative ease we now enjoy. Are we really so selfish that we are unwilling to do the same for our descendants?

Of course, that has nothing to do with the merits or demerits of a specific conflict, so it would certainly be a glittering generality fallacy to assert that this fact means that the war in Iraq is justified. I don't believe we can know if it is justified at this point, because I think the answer is dependent on the conduct of Bush and his cohorts following the resolution of the conflict.

Technically, NOTHING ended communism, because communism still exists today.

The world has no slavery today?

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Originally posted by Arbiter I'm reminded of a scene in Monty Python's "The Life of Brian", where the People's Front of Judea are holding a meeting, and the leader asks "What have the Romans ever done for us?" He's then greeted with a plethora of answers, ranging from public health to education.

And roads too, yes and entertainment! That was a great part I was ROFLOL, the time I watched it and no one else got it so. It just rang so true with all these rebel groups.

As for slavery war did end it in America.

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Originally posted by JohnSmith that must have been in a prowar march, i can see the American Flag in the background. BTW, there is a pictures thread

The US flag has stars on it...that flag does not|

eh, good eye, i didn't notice that. maybe it's this one:

Given what's being rammed though with PATRIOT ACT II, I'd say Fascism is making a comeback here in the US.

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Originally posted by DJMaytag Given what's being rammed though with PATRIOT ACT II, I'd say Fascism is making a comeback here in the US.

Agreed.

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Originally posted by DJMaytag Given what's being rammed though with PATRIOT ACT II, I'd say Fascism is making a comeback here in the US.

Yes except the patriot act 2 is nowhere near being passed and it probably won't be passed.

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Yes except the patriot act 2 is nowhere near being passed and it probably won't be passed.

What about the first Patriot Act? It was passed last year and it is a threat to many of our civil liberties. Among many other "threats," the Patriot Act:

-Allows for indefinite detention of non-citizens who are not terrorists who have only minor visa violations.
-Minimizes judicial supervision of federal telephone and Internet surveillance by law enforcement authorities.
-Expands the ability of the government to conduct secret searches.
-Gives the Attorney General and the Secretary of State the power to designate domestic groups as terrorist organizations using vague criteria for defining a terrorist organization
-Grants the FBI broad access to sensitive personal and business records about individuals without having to show evidence of a crime.
-Leads to large-scale investigations of American citizens by the CIA for "intelligence" purposes.
-Demands that American citizens drape themselves with flags or other empty symbols and slogans.

Okay, the last one I made up, but the rest are entirely accurate. Anyway, check out Nancy Chang's short but concise book on the subject, "Silencing Political Dissent."

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Originally posted by PeacefulWarrior What about the first Patriot Act? It was passed last year and it is a threat to many of our civil liberties. Among many other "threats," the Patriot Act: -Allows for indefinite detention of non-citizens who are not terrorists who have only minor visa violations. -Minimizes judicial supervision of federal telephone and Internet surveillance by law enforcement authorities. -Expands the ability of the government to conduct secret searches. -Gives the Attorney General and the Secretary of State the power to designate domestic groups as terrorist organizations using vague criteria for defining a terrorist organization -Grants the FBI broad access to sensitive personal and business records about individuals without having to show evidence of a crime. -Leads to large-scale investigations of American citizens by the CIA for "intelligence" purposes. -Demands that American citizens drape themselves with flags or other empty symbols and slogans. Okay, the last one I made up, but the rest are entirely accurate. Anyway, check out Nancy Chang's short but concise book on the subject, "Silencing Political Dissent."

Infringements on civil liberties as defined by the constitution yes ... a rise of facism no.

Actually all of these policies are indicative of US policies adopted at war time. Check out WW2 government acts if you disbelief me.

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Originally posted by occrider Actually all of these policies are indicative of US policies adopted at war time. Check out WW2 government acts if you disbelief me.

Like income tax? We were promised that was just for war time...

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Originally posted by DrummeRaver86 Technically, NOTHING ended communism, because communism still exists today.

Yes it does, but they were mostly talking about the USSR I think.

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Originally posted by Arbiter Like income tax? We were promised that was just for war time...

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