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some newbie music questions re: genres
i know this topic has been discussed before.
but i was just wondering...what is the difference with all these kinds of music? i thought i had everything down: trance, techno, happy hardcore, house, and progressive. but now there's tek-trance, tek-house, progressive house, progressive trance, so on so forth. and i still dont know what psychadelic trance is.
so.
i'm going to type out some (hopefully) well-known songs that go across styles, and i would appreciate it if you guys could � since all of you know more about music than me, no sarcasm � label them with their appropo' genre.
alter ego - betty ford
atb - don't stop
cass and slide - perception
delerium - innocente (deep dish rmx)
dune - boomerang
dj sammy - heaven
dj shufflemaster - geylang
hi-gate - hurricane
james holden - nothing (93 returning mx)
jimmy van m - love like sleep
kansai - rococco
lasgo - something
marco v - godd
mauro picotto - awesome
nu-nrg - butterfly
renato cohen - pontape
ricky effe - sector.30
solar stone - solarcoaster (midway rmx)
system f - solstice
tekara - breathe in you
for example: jimmy van m - love like sleep = progressive trance, right? i hope so. if not, please dont flame.
feel free to throw in a couple of tunes of your own. thanks, guys.
Go here and find out everything you want to know:
http://www.eurodancehits.com/dict.html
aphex twin is trance? what?
I find it takes time to get used to the genres and lots of listening.
Aphex Twin is one weird mofo...he has made many different styles over the years
www.allmusic.com
you'll find electronic music is fickle as for categorizations. They are often very subjective.. lots of gray and not much black and white, and there are tons of synonyms for the same 'music' group.. I find its best to stay away from redundant categorization and just enjoy the music. After all it doesn't really matter if it's "progressive house", "miami bass", "detroit techno", "cheese", "epic trance" or whatever just as long as its a mint piece of production (ehh , cept maybe cheese.. but thats more of a buzzword for "high-nrg" tracks and shit productions then a genre)...
but i wanted to start this thread because i didnt know where the music i listen to and like and/or heard a bunch of times falls in the spectrum of technodom.
like...when does trance get progressive?
or when does progressive trance become progressive house? 
my opinion:
alter ego - betty ford <-- haven't heard
atb - don't stop <-- haven't heard
cass and slide - perception <-- prog trance
delerium - innocente (deep dish rmx) <-- haven't heard but knowing deep dish it would be Prog House
dune - boomerang <-- if its the tune I think it is, tech house
dj sammy - heaven <-- commercial trance
dj shufflemaster - geylang <-- haven't heard
hi-gate - hurricane <-- haven't heard
james holden - nothing (93 returning mx) <-- prog house
jimmy van m - love like sleep <-- prog house
kansai - rococco <-- haven't heard
lasgo - something <-- commercial trance
marco v - godd <-- haven't heard but I assume tech trance
mauro picotto - awesome <-- haven't heard
nu-nrg - butterfly <-- haven't heard
renato cohen - pontape <-- haven't heard
ricky effe - sector.30 <-- havent heard
solar stone - solarcoaster (midway rmx) <-- trance
system f - solstice <-- trance
tekara - breathe in you <-- haven't heard
OMG Aphex is Trance?!
No way
pure Techno and Electro Funk... Thats Aphex...
Aphex Twin is in the IDM category (Intelligent Dance Music)
Re: some newbie music questions re: genres
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| Originally posted by bundantoh but now there's tek-trance, tek-house, progressive house, progressive trance, so on so forth. and i still dont know what psychadelic trance is. |
Re: some newbie music questions re: genres
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| Originally posted by bundantoh atb - don't stop -> comercial(cheesy) trance cass and slide - perception -> melodic trance dj sammy - heaven -> super comercial/cheesy trance james holden - nothing (93 returning mx) -> prog house, kinda trancy kansai - rococco -> uplifting trance lasgo - something -> haven't heard, probably cheesy, coming from lasgo marco v - godd -> tech-trance mauro picotto - awesome -> tech-trance, more on the techno side renato cohen - pontape -> techno solar stone - solarcoaster (midway rmx) -> uplifting trance system f - solstice -> uplifting/epic trance |
In House you got:
Progressive House (For Example: Sander Kleinenberg, Sasha)
Tech-House (For Example: Cass And Slide)
Groove House
Tribal House (For Example: DJ Chus, DJ Nukem)
French House (For Example: Junior Vasquez)
Deep House (For Example: Deep Dish)
Garage (For Example: Todd Terry)
Breakbeat (For Example: Hybrid, Grayarea)
In Trance:
Tech Trance (For Example: John 00 Fleming, Katana)
Uplifting Trance (For Example: Transa, Vincent De Moor)
Hard Trance (For Example: Flutlicht, S.H.O.K.K., Alphazone)
Progressive Trance (For Exmaple: M.I.K.E, Airwave)
Hardstyle (For Example: Technoboy)
Psychedelic Trance (For Example: Infected Mushroom, Hux Flux, X-Dream)
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| Originally posted by Scorchio In House you got: Tech-House (For Example: Cass And Slide) |
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| Originally posted by Teknoscaper. my opinion: james holden - nothing (93 returning mx) <-- prog house lasgo - something <-- commercial trance |
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| Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit lasgo would be more like euro trance / club trance.. i dont think commercial is a proper genre label |
But some stuff sits on the fence between genres. Like the second half of gu024 cd 2...some of that stuff...certain ppl consider progressive...progressive trance....and other genres.
yeah it's on the fence a lot! I guess that's pretty good, songs that cover more genres are more exciting i think
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| Originally posted by Scorchio In House you got: French House (For Example: Junior Vasquez) |
I'd say
alter ego - betty ford <-- techno/electro
dj shufflemaster - geylang <-- techno
renato cohen - pontape <-- techno
woo. yay.
the prog trance/house still gets me, but thanks for clearing the rest up.
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| Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit i would say james holden is more prog trance? but then again im not an expert on prog |
The main gnres and some examples:
Uplifting: Nu-NRG, Pulser, Ralphie B, Ronski Speed.. basically 4/4 beat, lots of yummy buildups and epic, melodic synths @ 137-140 bpm
Epic: Uplifting trance that has been 'canonized' so to speak such as Armin - Communication, System F - Solstice, yadda ydda ydda...I would also place L-Vee and MIKE productions here, since it doesnt seem right to call them progressive or uplifting... and they just have that 'epic' feel.
Progressive: James Holden, Gabriel & Dresden, Parker & Wilson, Max Graham.. basically still 4/4 beats but slower (128-132 bpm), less noticable synths/buildups, more funky and creative basslines, tend to be longer than uplifting as well.
Tek-Trance: Marco V., most of Picotto's stuff, some Timo Maas, Marco is best example though... basically a hard techno beat with synths and melodies layered over it that make it sound trancey.
Goa/Psychadelic: Infected Mushroom, Astral Projection, Man With No Name, early Darren Tate stuff.. very fast, with a typical bassline and similar drumkits.. just listen to some infected mushroom and you'll understand.
Hard/Acid: Kai Tracid, SHOKK, Chromedioxide II, Hennes & Cold, Dj Scot Project... faster than uplifting, with a typical drumkit and an 'acid' synth effect, the best example of which is Derb - Derb (arome Mix) These will all be very high energy and layered with heavily distorted synth effects.
Techno: Dj Rush, Chris Liebing, some Picotto (Liberty Drum, etc), Carl Cox, Sven Vath
... very fast, very high energy, virtually no synth, maybe a vocal sample or two, characterized by bass and drums in a 4/4 beat. Keep in mind i am not including techno such as Aphex Twin/Fatboy Slim/Orbital since that is a whole other genre entirely.
Hardhouse: Tony de Vit, Dj Irene, Fergie... like techno except more samples.. really not too much difference. Techno tends to be darker/more evil.
Prog-House: MoShic, X-Press 2, Green Velvet, Paranoid Jack, Deep Dish, Steve Lawler.. basically imagine a slower, funkier prog trance.. that's how i would describe it. A lot of artists really blur the line between the two.
House: Robbie Riviera, Olav Basoski, Bad Boy Bill, etc etc. radio house, too many and too diverse to try to sum up.. you know what im talking about.
Eurohouse: Trance, but not.. is mostly dead by now, but flourished in the late 90's.. included names like Dj Quicksilver,
Lightforce, Brooklyn Bounce (who have totally changed their style since then), Pulsedriver, Sash!,... ah the good old days.. had that characteristic 'bouncey' bass.. Basically a much slower uplifting trance.
Tribal: take progressive and add tribal drums. (Lawler does this a lot)
Breaks: Hybrid, grayarea.. duh, of course this means they don't use a 4/4 beat... if they did i would call them progressive.
Uplifting Progressive: this is a name i made up to include impossible to place tunes that seem to be the norm of today like Cor Fijneman - Exhibition, Scott Bond vs Solar Stone - 3rd Earth, Armin - Song for the Ocean, Lost Lynx - Seasons (Three dRives), and the like.. they are too progressive to be uplifting, but too uplifting to be progressive This is also where i would place most of PvD's productions.. but this was someting i just invented, so whatever.
*Disclaimer: lots of artists have done too many different things to be able to be clumped in one genre.. here i am thinking particularly Sasha/Digweed and Way Out West. Armin would also fit this category, since he went from house to epic to uplifting to progressive...
if anyone has anything to add, no problem. i dont claim to be all knowing.
Re: some newbie music questions re: genres
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| Originally posted by bundantoh i know this topic has been discussed before. but i was just wondering...what is the difference with all these kinds of music? i thought i had everything down: trance, techno, happy hardcore, house, and progressive. but now there's tek-trance, tek-house, progressive house, progressive trance, so on so forth. and i still dont know what psychadelic trance is. so. i'm going to type out some (hopefully) well-known songs that go across styles, and i would appreciate it if you guys could � since all of you know more about music than me, no sarcasm � label them with their appropo' genre. alter ego - betty ford (dunno) atb - don't stop (Cheese) cass and slide - perception (proper trance) delerium - innocente (deep dish rmx) (proper house) dune - boomerang (Cheese) dj sammy - heaven (Cheese) dj shufflemaster - geylang (Cheese) hi-gate - hurricane (Cheese) james holden - nothing (93 returning mx) (proper prog trance) jimmy van m - love like sleep (proper prog trance) kansai - rococco (trance) lasgo - something (Cheese) marco v - godd (Cheese) mauro picotto - awesome (Cheese) nu-nrg - butterfly (Cheese) renato cohen - pontape (dunno) ricky effe - sector.30 (Cheese) solar stone - solarcoaster (midway rmx) (Cheese) system f - solstice (classic Cheese) tekara - breathe in you (Breakbeat) |
I know there was a great thread earlier that helped me some in
defining some of the genres, dont remember what the thread was
named but something with genre.
Its really hard to define a tune to 100% what genre it is, but
its all too personal. What I define as progressive house someone
might define as deep house or whatever, its just tough.
But it comes to you after listening to tune after tune after tune,
then you can one day just realize what genre a tune really belongs
to or what defines a genre.
Its quite interesting to read and discuss what genres music belongs
to but one cant get to dependant on relating to genres and having
small "genre wars" with each other.
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| Originally posted by Teknoscaper. take away the vocal what do you have? boring old prog house vocals don't make songs 'trancey' |
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