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Posted by DaveSZ on Apr-07-2003 04:21:

Idea Elie Wiesel says Iraq war justified....

I can already hear everyone, "But he's a Jew. What do you expect?"


Nobel peace laureate Elie Wiesel says Iraq war justified
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MONTREAL (AFP) - Nobel peace prize laureate Elie Wiesel said the war on Iraq (news - web sites) is justified and blamed unnamed European countries for failing to prevent it through pressuring President Saddam Hussein (news - web sites).


"If some European countries put as much pressure on Saddam Hussein as on (US President George W.) Bush, there would have been no war," he told a press conference in Montreal.


"Saddam Hussein had to be disarmed (and) there were no other means," said the Nazi concentration camp survivor and author who was awarded the Nobel peace prize in 1986 for his message "of peace, atonement and human dignity."


The press conference was organized by the Quebec-Israel Public Affairs Committee, the Montreal Jewish community's official public action group on behalf of Israel.


The Romanian-born Wiesel, who became a US citizen in 1963, said he did "not justify" war and was "not comfortable" with it, but that he was not a pacifist and believed in the "right to interference".


He added: "You can accuse me of being naive, but I think in all conscience that this war was necessary."


Dismissing suggestions that he is a "hostage of the American right", Wiesel said: "I am not against paradoxes, I take them on, as someone who opposes war, who has seen war and who hates war."


The US-led war on Iraq, he said, "will change the world."


He said he was optimistic over prospects for peace between Israel and the Palestinians after the appointment of Mahmud Abbas, a moderate known as Abu Mazen, as Palestinian prime minister.


Stressing that Palestine Authority President Yasser Arafat (news - web sites) had been "a big disappointment" for the Israelis, Wiesel said he hoped a three-month moratorium on terrorist actions would be called "to give a chance" to Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon (news - web sites).


"The problem is terrorism (but) it will be necessary one day to settle this tragedy" in the Middle East, he said.


^^^^^I actually disagree with him here. The problem is also Sharon...


Posted by malek on Apr-07-2003 04:32:

he's in town?!?! that ass should get cream-pie attacked


Posted by DaveSZ on Apr-07-2003 04:45:



Rofl. I loved his book, NIght though.


Posted by ZinG on Apr-07-2003 04:48:

hahaha
that's melech_mike is disguise


Posted by TranceGiant on Apr-07-2003 07:15:

funny how use use the "but hes a jew, what do u expect" argument whenever it suits you. You seem to forget bout that little fact when quoting concerned Israeli parents or intellectuals like Chomsky and Benny Morris. OMG how hypocritical can you get?


Posted by ascension on Apr-07-2003 07:23:

quote:
Originally posted by TranceGiant
funny how use use the "but hes a jew, what do u expect" argument whenever it suits you. You seem to forget bout that little fact when quoting concerned Israeli parents or intellectuals like Chomsky and Benny Morris. OMG how hypocritical can you get?


thats abit presumtuous considering no-one's said that yet


Posted by TranceGiant on Apr-07-2003 07:49:

em..no? Cause that's exactely what's going on here. You see the people who use this argument (that Jews who comment on the mid-east conflict MUST be biased and thus cant be taken seriously) quoting Jews like Chomsky when it suits them to show that "even" Jews condem x,y or z. I even recall people chanting "chomsky for president" on this board but that's cause hes a "good" Jew.


Posted by ascension on Apr-07-2003 07:56:

i hate labels


Posted by TranceGiant on Apr-07-2003 08:21:

Monkey Dancer 2

me likey Vandit!


(yes i know...mega-lame )


Posted by DaveSZ on Apr-07-2003 09:31:

I just said it before someone else did....

I happen to like Mr. Wiesel.


Posted by Yoepus on Apr-07-2003 15:56:

quote:
Originally posted by ahlamalek
he's in town?!?! that ass should get cream-pie attacked


I don't know what makes you so dumb but it really works. I would slap you but I'm not sure your brain could process the pain.

I think it would do you very good to do something significant with your life. Perhaps you should go take a trip to Europe and visit a former concentration camp. Perhaps you'll get it then!


Posted by ascension on Apr-07-2003 16:14:

quote:
Originally posted by Yoepus
I don't know what makes you so dumb but it really works. I would slap you but I'm not sure your brain could process the pain.

I think it would do you very good to do something significant with your life. Perhaps you should go take a trip to Europe and visit a former concentration camp. Perhaps you'll get it then!


im not sure which palestinian hit you with his slingshot to give you such a big chip on your shoulder... but mate... anger management classes?


Posted by Cyrus King on Apr-07-2003 17:31:

quote:
Originally posted by Yoepus
I don't know what makes you so dumb but it really works. I would slap you but I'm not sure your brain could process the pain.

I think it would do you very good to do something significant with your life. Perhaps you should go take a trip to Europe and visit a former concentration camp. Perhaps you'll get it then!


Perhaps you should visit the hospitals in Iraq holding children with limbs torn off by shrapnel. Perhaps youll get it then!


Posted by malek on Apr-07-2003 17:37:

quote:
Originally posted by Yoepus
I don't know what makes you so dumb but it really works. I would slap you but I'm not sure your brain could process the pain.

I think it would do you very good to do something significant with your life. Perhaps you should go take a trip to Europe and visit a former concentration camp. Perhaps you'll get it then!



woaaaah chill the fuck down buddy!?!?! It wasn't only a joke, but a stupid joke. But you taking it that seriously only shows how stupid you really are!?!? You try to soften my heart with concentration camps?!?! wtf!?!? whats your point buddy!?!? At least, I'm not the one with a tank as an avatar!!!


Posted by IronDragon on Apr-07-2003 21:16:

I think the Nobel lauerates were about half and half (most notably Elie Wiesel pro, Mandela and Jimmy Carter con) regarding the war.


Posted by DJMaytag on Apr-07-2003 21:56:

Re: Elie Wiesel says Iraq war justified....

quote:
Originally posted by DaveSaenz
I can already hear everyone, "But he's a Jew. What do you expect?"


It depends if he's a Zionist or not. That would be a pretty good indicator of his motives for saying this.

BTW, why did we spend so much time and energy on getting UN approval when we could have just asked this guy if the war was justified or not?


Posted by occrider on Apr-07-2003 22:18:

Re: Re: Elie Wiesel says Iraq war justified....

quote:
Originally posted by DJMaytag
It depends if he's a Zionist or not. That would be a pretty good indicator of his motives for saying this.


Why is the word zionist held in such a negative conotation? Being a zionist doesn't imply anything in itself except for believing in the establishment of a Jewish homeland.

Have you all been taking the "protocals of the elders of zion" to heart?


Posted by TranceGiant on Apr-07-2003 22:26:

Yeah its quite shocking that the "average" Israel critic adapted the word Zionist in its allegedly negative sense from Arab extremists. Just listen to Saddam's speeches...he talks like you guys when warning of the "Zionist threat" or when calling Israel the "zionist entity". But as occride said Zionism was a movement of Jewish nationalism whose goal to establish a homeland for Jews was achieved more tahn 50 years ago. No single person in Israel calls himself Zionist anymore..but of course our dear ciritics from Europe and the Americas have to use this totally irrelevant word


Posted by Yoepus on Apr-07-2003 22:40:

quote:
Originally posted by ahlamalek
woaaaah chill the fuck down buddy!?!?! It wasn't only a joke, but a stupid joke. But you taking it that seriously only shows how stupid you really are!?!?


I didn't realize it was a joke, because it apparently was a very bad one. And by stating it it, only seriously shows how uncapable of thought you are when you say something like that.

quote:
Originally posted by Cyrus King
Perhaps you should visit the hospitals in Iraq holding children with limbs torn off by shrapnel. Perhaps youll get it then!


You know what, I think I just might! I'll call them all asses when I'm there and slaughter them with cream pies. Now do you get it?


Posted by DJMaytag on Apr-07-2003 22:44:

Re: Re: Re: Elie Wiesel says Iraq war justified....

quote:
Originally posted by occrider
Why is the word zionist held in such a negative conotation? Being a zionist doesn't imply anything in itself except for believing in the establishment of a Jewish homeland.


I see Zionism much in the same way as the founders of the US proclaimed a "manifest destiny" to have a nation that stretched from coast to coast, ************ of the fact that there were already people living here before we got here.

It seems as if the Zionists are rooting out Palestinians much in the same way the US rooted out the Native Americans, only we stopped and gave them a place of their own (reservations.) If the US continued to act like the Zionists currently are, then we'd be trying to occupy the Indian reservations in the US.


Posted by TranceGiant on Apr-07-2003 22:49:

Re: Re: Re: Re: Elie Wiesel says Iraq war justified....

quote:
Originally posted by DJMaytag
I see Zionism much in the same way as the founders of the US proclaimed a "manifest destiny" to have a nation that stretched from coast to coast, ************ of the fact that there were already people living here before we got here.

It seems as if the Zionists are rooting out Palestinians much in the same way the US rooted out the Native Americans, only we stopped and gave them a place of their own (reservations.) If the US continued to act like the Zionists currently are, then we'd be trying to occupy the Indian reservations in the US.


please save me a lot of time, go to your local library, take the book that says "history" and start reading at chapter 25: "The Creation of Israel".


Posted by ZinG on Apr-07-2003 22:55:

occrider and Yoepus i've seen 18years of Zionist atrocity in my fucking country! I lived there those 18 years! I've seen it, don't come and tell me what those people you call Zionists were just defending themselves! plz don't let my blood boil.
heh you won't fucking understand what war means until you live it so stop supporting war


Posted by TranceGiant on Apr-07-2003 22:58:

Since you're obviously Lebanese..could u tell me what exactely you're talking about? 18 years of atrocities? Excuse me? The 1982 invasion didnt last two months. Are you sure that u aint mistaking it for your own civil war between christians and muslims?


Posted by ZinG on Apr-07-2003 23:02:

please don't argue with ignorance
i won't be answering on this thread anymore
and i won't be insulting any of you
useless brains out here


Posted by TranceGiant on Apr-07-2003 23:08:

Dunno

nah im just interested in your experiences. Look, the thing is that your description of "18 years of Zionist atrocities" doesn't make sense to me, it just contradticts my hisotrical knowledge. No offense I was just really curious as to what exactely you mean


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