As long as people are educated on what they are taking, and can handle their drugs (ie. not be a puddle on the floor the whole night), it is fine with me. Also, drugs shouldn't be the reason for ppl to go to parties, but only the means to experience the party in a different state of mind. I mean, drugs have been a part of rave culture ever since it started, so it is pointless to try and preach how everybody should go sober all the time. But if you *need* drugs in order to have a good time, you should better take a look at your life and maybe stop going ...

As long as they give some to me I'm cool with it

Hehe seriously though, just like skywarp said, as long as they know what they're doing and dont die in the middle of the dance floor (or anywhere else for that matter) it's okay. Going to a party only for drugs is pointless... one rave I went to I was far too messed to really pay any attention to the music or anything, I mean I had a great time but after I left I couldn't remember half of the night (and was sketchy for a couple days :/ ). But there's nothin wrong with making a good time better with drugs if yer responsible.

I try Not to Put the Both together!
I'm A Drug User!
I guess I'm a raver (Well use to be)
but I usally don't do drugs at raves

GO FIGURE!

yep.. everyone's view on this is one and the same. Do what you want, as long as you know what you're getting into, and don't ruin anybody's time. Anything else would be all too hypocritical (yes I get sauced up too ).
Just one last thing though, try not to turn parties into crackhouse with music pleeeease. Get the priority straight

I've done lots of raves, and never had to take shit to enjoy it. I can really get into a trance just listening to the music (isn't it why it's called trance?). And I do mind when I see people completely out of it trying to stay on their feet by grabbing the wall. what the fuck where they thinking?

Oakenfold's party here in Edmonton was actually terminated early because of some fuckheads that took too much shit and ended up having seizures on the dance floor. They killed the party for the whole 4000 people there. And not just any party, the Paul Oakenfold party!

So unfortunately, now my opinion is: screw all these morons that need to be high to have fun. Stay home.

MH

I feel a flame war coming.



[This message has been edited by ManHunter (edited 12-04-2000).]

manhunter, first of all get your facts straight: Ascension (Oakenfold in Edmonton) was cut short one hour, AFTER Mr. Oakenfold finished his (mediocre) set because six people had seizures. Now, the seizures were epileptic and not drug-related. In fact, I KNOW that at least four out of the six people who passed out were sober. The strobes in that room were way too intense for the size of the room, and if you happened to be up front with the lights blasting in your face you too might have been carried out on a stretcher with an epileptic seizure. So don't blame drugs for everything.
And even if they WERE drugged up, one hour less partying is nothing compared with five hours waiting in the line to get in just because certain promoters (cough cough) weren't able to organize proper entry procedures adequate for 4000 people.

I already said everything that I wanted to say on this topic in the post above, do whatever you wish, as long as you can handle it.

peace

Yap, I think it's ok if someone uses E or whatever to get good vibes as long as he/she can handle it. Anyway, it's a known fact that even E causes permanent brain damage, but preaching doesn't work much; it's your own choice. Nevertheless, what troubles me (John Cage ) is the fact that some DJs have started to get really wasted on gigs. I mean, it's not very nice to hear a fucking lousy and badly mixed set coz the man behind the wheel is floating in some entirely different plane of existence. Awww.

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I agree than Oakenfold's set was not up to his standard at Ascension. I also agree that waiting in line 4 hours was completely ridiculous, and took out much of the vibe (for me and my friends, anyway).

But none of this makes it ok to waste a party for somebody else (or everybody else) because you were too high.

It is still under debate if these people had seizures drug related or not.

And just like mindbender said, more and more studies show that E permanently affects the brain. But it won't stop people from musing it, just like people are still smoking.

Anyway, my conclusion is this: If you choose to do drugs at a rave and don't bother people around you, cool. If you get stupid and do too much, go home and die. I have no respect for these people because they have no respect for me.

I may sound harsh, but hey, I'm really not that bad.

[This message has been edited by ManHunter (edited 12-04-2000).]

Now, I don't have a lot of experience using MDMA, but from what I've heard, information is the key, the manufacturing process of X allows for big time error. Thats why many times you get e with lsd, coke, or opiates. By itself, in a pure form, e is not that dangerous, besides dehydration and heat stroke caused by too much dancing. Brain damage is possible, but most likely from poly-drug use.
.peAce.

OK, it's pretty much established that MDMA causes brain damage... but IIRC its preventable by taking lotsa anti-oxidants (vitamin c) replenishing seratonin afterwards (taking 5-HTP) and/or takin prozak (hoesntly :P) Don't quote me on that though... I read it on a link in www.dancesafe.com (I think that was the site at least. Leave me alone, its a monday )

Anyways, LSD is ALOT harder to produce than MDMA, there is no way someone could accidently make it when trying to make MDMA. However MDMA itself is difficult to make, so dealers put other shit in pills 'cuz its cheaper... you could be takin anything from DXM (cough syrup) to caffiene, ephidrine, meth, PCP, ketamine, PMA (VERY dangerous stimulant/hallucinogen, caused a few deaths), but very likely not coke or herion because it'd raise the price to the dealer

Well thats my $.02.....
oh yah, one more thing. I don't agree when people say "well if you go to raves and get fucked up then you're there for drugs not music." They just make the music/experience better fer some people.... just like phat speakers will allow people to enjoy the music alot more than standard computer speakers will :P

Morbius said: "I don't agree when people say "well if you go to raves and get fucked up then you're there for drugs not music." They just make the music/experience better fer some people...."

What about these dweebs that are so high they don't even remember the night?

I've seen a guy hugging a steel fence trying to stay on his feet while I was waiting in line to get in around 11pm. When I came out between 5 and 6am, he was still outside, exactly in the same spot. This may be an extreme example, but how much more dumb can you get?

MH