how trance should be?... personally, I think thats a stupid question. reason being, trance is so massive in size. it varies really. hard trance, melodic, deep, cheese, peakhour. lets remove that question. It brings many elitist thoughts. Ive taken a look at your track selection and i respect that youve taken the time to put something like this together. you obviously have passion, and isnt that what really counts. i can recall pretty much all of those tracks, hell i liked them too. big blank and jones fan, atb as well. sanders work is amazing, i was addicted to his theme for a while. But right now, im really in love with tracks that are coming out. intuition, anjunabeats, anjunadeep, somatic sense. labels along and between those lines are releasing some real beautiful work.

Good selection, Cern - the message i always thought should have been a huge tune

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Oh my goodness.

Clowntrance.

So you cut out a dozen or so aimless, idiotic 1+ minute long breakdowns ripped out of bombastic circus anthems, zipped them together and posted them under the guise of "how trance is supposed to be".

Fucking hilarious.

This is akin to Avril Levigne calling her debut album "the way punk is supposed to be." These tracks represent everything that's WRONG with trance today. The trite anthems. The predictable, boring, overly-long breakdowns. The rip-off pads and leads replicated in every track.

Somewhere right now, Simon Berry and Mark Reeder are hurling things at people. They are most likely trying to hit you.

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After listening to those tracks I want to know if you guys share the same vision in trance as I do and if not what are some of your recent tunes that you believe define the way trance should be?

Something like this. Pure, unrelenting trance. No anthems. No breakdowns. No over-the-top, gratuitous melodies. No vocals. No pauses, breaks, or stopping whatsoever.

No bullshit. Just trance.

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Originally posted by Ishkur No bullshit. Just trance.

http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF203024-01-02-02.mp3

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Yeah, that's the stuff.

I say, (try to) enjoy whats out there right now. Trance is still a very new genre compared to other forms of music. Just listen to some of the songs and think about how simple some of the melodies are, compared to say complicated sounding music like classical.

As long as where alive there will constantly be new artists coming out with tracks which they feel is "the way trance should sound" and this is actually very good, because the more variety, the more people are likely to enjoy it.

Eventually, when its possible to create something exactly the way you want it, not just something that is limited by the technology it is made on, we will see even more variety. Because right now to me, it sounds like trance is limited by the fact that its made with the technology of today. Like if you listen to stuff from early 90's you can tell its a lot less like the music released today, because the technology wasnt there to be able to create anything better.

So in the end, this topic is pointless, because there is no way that trance should sound in particular. TO ME...the people that are constantly saying that trance isnt as good as it used to be, are just saying that because they got used to the trance that was released when they started listening, and now that its changing, and other forms of the music are becoming more popular they dont enjoy it as much as the stuff that got them interested in the first place. While others who arre just getting into it, are enjoying it as if it was the best thing ever, and they may eventually feel the same way about music that will be released in say 5 to 10 years from now.

BTW, I am going to say thank you for the samples you are providing. It is a good way to see what others are interested in. Now I am not saying that I dont like them, but they arent something that I would listen to if I had a choice of other music. To each their own.

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Originally posted by Ishkur Oh my goodness. Clowntrance. So you cut out a dozen or so aimless, idiotic 1+ minute long breakdowns ripped out of bombastic circus anthems, zipped them together and posted them under the guise of "how trance is supposed to be". Fucking hilarious. This is akin to Avril Levigne calling her debut album "the way punk is supposed to be." These tracks represent everything that's WRONG with trance today. The trite anthems. The predictable, boring, overly-long breakdowns. The rip-off pads and leads replicated in every track. Somewhere right now, Simon Berry and Mark Reeder are hurling things at people. They are most likely trying to hit you. Something like this. Pure, unrelenting trance. No anthems. No breakdowns. No over-the-top, gratuitous melodies. No vocals. No pauses, breaks, or stopping whatsoever. No bullshit. Just trance.

Oh my, you really have to realize trance isn´t made exactly just for you (and has not ever been) and stop making a clown of yourself.

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Originally posted by Pudelko So in the end, this topic is pointless, because there is no way that trance should sound in particular. TO ME...the people that are constantly saying that trance isnt as good as it used to be, are just saying that because they got used to the trance that was released when they started listening, and now that its changing, and other forms of the music are becoming more popular they dont enjoy it as much as the stuff that got them interested in the first place. While others who arre just getting into it, are enjoying it as if it was the best thing ever, and they may eventually feel the same way about music that will be released in say 5 to 10 years from now.

I´m so happy you´ve said that. My thoughts exactly.

Plus, as I always say, people are emotionally bound to the tracks and the "type of trance" that got them into it, so it´s really hard for them to find out and accept the world has changed, the music has changed and is changing right now as we are speaking. These emotional ties and memories also make people think "their" trance is the right one and the one and only.

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Originally posted by Pudelko Just listen to some of the songs and think about how simple some of the melodies are, compared to say complicated sounding music like classical.

as if electronic dance music should aim to be melodically complicated?
that statement sounds even more idiotic when you apply it directly to trance (a genre that is supposed to entrance the listeners by being repetative).

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Originally posted by Pudelko ...Because right now to me, it sounds like trance is limited by the fact that its made with the technology of today. Like if you listen to stuff from early 90's you can tell its a lot less like the music released today, because the technology wasnt there to be able to create anything better.

the technology wasnt there to create anything better?

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oh and btw, you're also stifling a lot of the creativity making music gets from obstacles in your utopian predictions.

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Originally posted by Pudelko So in the end, this topic is pointless, because there is no way that trance should sound in particular.

no need for trance to be entrancing, right? completely irrelevant to the genre at large...

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Originally posted by Pudelko TO ME...the people that are constantly saying that trance isnt as good as it used to be, are just saying that because they got used to the trance that was released when they started listening, and now that its changing, and other forms of the music are becoming more popular they dont enjoy it as much as the stuff that got them interested in the first place. While others who arre just getting into it, are enjoying it as if it was the best thing ever, and they may eventually feel the same way about music that will be released in say 5 to 10 years from now.

some of us, you know, the music nerds, the people that actually care about music.. we're not blinded by the first pieces of music we heard.

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Originally posted by paulandrews Oh my, you really have to realize trance isn´t made exactly just for you (and has not ever been) and stop making a clown of yourself.

well yeah, trance is made for the underground... while these supposed 'trance' tunes are made for... well... you guys.

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Originally posted by Psy-T well yeah, trance is made for the underground... while these supposed 'trance' tunes are made for... well... you guys.

and what? does this mean that your vision of trance is better than mine? does this mean underground is better than mainstream? no.

i´m happy i don´t listen to "your" trance, cause i see how arrogant people who like it are.

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