Hey everyone. I know I don't post much but if anyone has dealt with a similar problem I would really appreciate some feedback.

Short version:

I sold something through Paypal last night. Received the payment and started the transfer to my bank account (Which said it would take a few days) A few minutes later I gave the guy his stuff.

This morning got a call saying that the money was frozen and asked if I want to dispute it. Turns out the credit card he used was stolen. I assume I'm fucked but was wondering if anyone on her has dealt with anything like this before. And what usually happens in general.

Only evidence I have is a Skype convo that is actually pretty detailed. Agreeing on the price and the items and after the transaction was done him saying he was satisfied etc. (If any of this even helps, figured at least it doesn't hurt)

Thanks in advance.



*Edit* It was a personal type of payment I don't own a business or anything if that helps

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Oh man. That's one scenario I haven't read about, but going by the other cases I've read: You're fucked.

How much was it?

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Originally posted by itsamemario Oh man. That's one scenario I haven't read about, but going by the other cases I've read: You're fucked. How much was it?

Yeah thought so. $3,500.00

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Originally posted by Freeza Yeah thought so. $3,500.00

I feel for you.

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Well versed in the subtle art of slavery.

wtf did you sell him that you could give it to him instantly?

I had a similar case, I knew the person too, used to work with her, but I also knew she is crooked as, so I had her sign a mutual agreement, should there be "problems" with the transaction before it clears, the deal is called off. I didn't use paypal however, I just don't trust the system, money launderers' heaven as is west union or whatever it's called and all the similar anonymous transaction systems. Naturally, the CC she used turned out to be fraudulent, it wasn't stolen, something else was the matter, but I wasn't compelled to hand over anything. Saved me about 1.8k euro worth of trouble.

Right now you don't have anything definitive on the crook, however, the evidence you do have should atleast be sufficient enough to force a case. 3.5k dollars is more than enough for me to put some effort in getting back what is rightfully mine.

For future reference, refrain from using ID theft-prone sites such as moneybookers, paypal and whatnot.


Another example from yeaaaaaars ago, again f-all to do with paypal, but I had ordered a poker chipset from a guy in a forum I used to visit alot and he was advertising, being a lot younger and simple-minded, I agreed to his terms, money1st, shipped cargo later, not even knowing the guy. All i did have on the guy was the forum pm conversation history, went to the police station and off it went. I got my money back eventually, but I think the thing helped the most was that I wasn't the only victim, several other guys I know complained about him aswell.

you won't ever see that money. Sorry dude. They fucked me out of 2500 $. Well technically , they claimed i owed them for a product I sold which was apparantly covered and says "ship, you are covered" DOcumented the entire process , packaging, posting. Guy in france says never got it. And thats that. Good luck trying to get ahold of anyone. Those emails you get saying a guy is looking into it, like hey my name is Robert and we are looking into this. That is just a computer putting a name in a form.

I would recoup the money outsourcing the debt to your local mafia / hell-angels.

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Those e-mails of so and so looking into the matter are pure bullshit, the most stinking, the highest concetration of a bull's shit. The paypal network is anonymous - those who wish to fuck others over have an extreeeeeeemely easy time doing so for there is no actual legislation behind the damn thing. The whole propaganda - hey it's international, it's easy to use, iiiiiiit...iiiiiiis. PAY PAL!!!!. It works because the paypal homepage is made a shiny pebble of shit, like a piece of shit sprayed over with gold to make it look good.. at a distance. Up close..it really is a piece of shit.

As Looney said, it is most likely you won't see your stuff again, it doesn't hurt to try, though, but most likely you will be told to fuck off, in a more polite, politically correct way.

does he live far from you?
wtf did you sell him?


also, you could probably have him murdered for a similar price.
do it.

Well, in all seriousness -
I'm not all that familiar with these things BUT I'd imagine that 3500 is enough to see this as serious fraud rather than a petty crime. Point being that perhaps it's something the police might pursue for you