im really debating takin up a class in it, and wondering if it would be worth the money, i dont plan on ever taking up a audio engineer job per say and my only motive of taking it really is for helping my tracks, so do you think it would be a wise decision, and in that case have most edm producers started off with first becoming audio engineers?

I would imagine most just started tinkering around because they wanted to make music. Not because they wanted to be an "audio engineer". I'd say don't waste your time with classes.

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hmm interesting i was thinking so to, but my friend on the other hand says thats the only way, because hes going to start taking a class soon, and i told him you dont really need to as long as you make good music and have a clear understanding of how to make a tracks sound good, and then he goes on ranting about how the most succesfull djs are usually the ones who have a backround in audio engineering, and that its essential to go to school to learn it.

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Originally posted by alanzo I'd say don't waste your time with classes.

It certainly wouldnt hurt.

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I'm an engineer in a studio and became one because of my love and enthusiasm for EDM. I can't say it's good for most people as the hours are horrendous the pay only good after building up a name for 20 years but you do it because you love it.

Being an engineer taught me to respect the innovations (technically) that EDM encompasses - I don't think it's absolutely essential, but it's taught me more than I ever thought possible.

I studied engineering and producing nearly 10 years ago and it took me 8 years to get a job in a pro studio and the pro studio gig taught me more than even the excellent school I went to.

I'm lucky - I work on some of the biggest projects in the world but thousands of engineers just scrape by doing local bands and commercials their whole life so it really just depends on how much you want it and how lucky you are.

I'd say go to school for you own knowledge, it doesn't hurt at all, go to work in a studio (offer for free) if that's your chosen career path.

i think good engineering comes with time even if you have taken classes. The more you work on your tracks and aim for that good sound the better you are gonna become at it, just like anything else. Also you gotta have some inclination about music - you could be the best engineer but the track will still sound shitty if you dont have some idea how to sequence and manipulate the music.

What i say is have a little self determination cuz you could find out all the basics of engineering on the internet. Once you got down the basics, take a song that is an inspiration for you as far as being greatly engineered and work your track to that degree.

if it dont work then just keep trying!

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Half of audio engineering is being able to hear clearly what the sounds are actually doing in the mix. When you are able to see and hear the sounds properly, you can make necessary changes to the sounds in order for them to translate well in the finished form.

Most Producers are definately not just audio engineers, though a lot of producers seem to have gained success due to high audio engineering skills or having an audio engineer with a proper setup manage the sound side of things for them. For me an EDM Producer in the purest sense and the most respectable are those that do everything, composition, arrangement, sound engineering and mixing.

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Originally posted by LoveHate ...and then he goes on ranting about how the most succesfull djs are usually the ones who have a backround in audio engineering, and that its essential to go to school to learn it.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL. Your friend is clueless. As far as really good trance dj/producers I know maybe 3-4 who are good at both and NONE who are exceptional at both.

It's been made more and more apparent to me the more time i've spent making music and dj'ing that everyone either dj's because they produce or produces because they dj. It's sad

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Originally posted by mfitterer1 It's been made more and more apparent to me the more time i've spent making music and dj'ing that everyone either dj's because they produce or produces because they dj. It's sad

why's that sad? they go hand-in-hand and inspire each other when dealing with EDM.

Its kinda like photography and photoshop. A photographer doesnt need to learn photoshop and a photoshop-ist doesnt need to learn photography. They don't need each other but they pretty much go hand-in-hand and inspire each other.

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Originally posted by meriter Your primary focus should be making good music. That's all. No one gives a shit how you do it. And the people that do are fags.

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Originally posted by LoveHate ... how the most succesfull djs are usually the ones who have a person in the background who is in audio engineering, and that its essential to have a ghost producer.

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Originally posted by Nightshift why's that sad? they go hand-in-hand and inspire each other when dealing with EDM.

I agree with mfitterer1 actually. I am one of those that dj because I produce. If you want to make it up to a certain level of fame it's easier when you do both instead of just one. It's not that I don't think dj-ing is fun but if I would be able to earn a decent income on production only I would rather focus on that than dj-ing. In this case they not only inspire each other but support each other and multiply the amount of people you can reach (thus making it easier to increase your popularity).

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Originally posted by Storyteller I agree with mfitterer1 actually. I am one of those that dj because I produce. If you want to make it up to a certain level of fame it's easier when you do both instead of just one. It's not that I don't think dj-ing is fun but if I would be able to earn a decent income on production only I would rather focus on that than dj-ing. In this case they not only inspire each other but support each other and multiply the amount of people you can reach (thus making it easier to increase your popularity).

Yes its the truth, im also one who DJs because i produce, but as far as right now its not to get my own music out there, I just think its fun to rock crowds lol.

However, I think doing both makes you understand the other more when you're coming from the "DJ because of producing" side. Because from my experience, the ones who produce and don't at least understand the dynamics of DJing normally dont have as much understanding in making tracks that can really work/fit into dj mixes. DJing can also teach the producer what techniques to use in productions that can really rock crowds.

When it comes to "producing because of DJing" im not sure because i dont fit those shoes. But from my experiences with people who are doing it this way it usually seems like their productions are extremely hit or miss, miss being the vast majority of the time.

These are just my observations though.

Alot of producers teams up with alot of DJs as duos these days though.

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Originally posted by meriter Your primary focus should be making good music. That's all. No one gives a shit how you do it. And the people that do are fags.