try double- or triple-tracking it then pan them apart.

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Can't listen right now, but where's your mic set up? Or are you doing line-in?

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Originally posted by Inner Sanctum try double- or triple-tracking it then pan them apart.

this

the recording itself doesn't sound too bad

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its better than anything else ive heard here lately. lol at the nintendo synth. one hint to make this track better: lower the volume, it seems to be clipping. you could try analog. sidechain too.

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Originally posted by Kysora Can't listen right now, but where's your mic set up? Or are you doing line-in?

the fx pedal has dual output, im using the mixer output which has cabinet simulation but again it sounds crap lol

good idea with the double/triple tracking, i never thought of that, my guitar playing is rather sloppy so i'll have to just duplicate the track..

its loud i noes. the compressors going crazy.

thanks guise brb.

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Maybe a noise gate?

^^^ Yeah, thats more like it...

You don't need to double it or stuff around with that. I don't know why it is that every time someone mentions guitar (in any forum) everyone just goes "oh double track it" straight away without even considering if its appropriate.

Now, I have NFI what sort of sound you're going for with this track, but here's my advice based on the sound I'm guessing you want:

I think your main issue is that the whole thing is way tooo muddy, theres no definition in the guitar part, it sounds really fat, but its completely overwhelming the bass and there's really no rhythmic definition between the chords.

So I'd probably get some better palm muting technique going at the source, back off the gain, cut the mids on your amp/fx board. Then I'd get a noise gate going on the FX board, and lay into the low mids with a high pass filter with a gentle slope and maybe one or two small cuts in the low mids.

Then I'd look at the rest of the mix. I'd get some better swing on the drums because they sound a bit too straight and don't really mesh with the guitar's groove (which you can't really hear anyway because of the engineering). I'd get a bit more interaction going between the guitar and drums, because right now it sounds like they were both performed to a click track and don't really interact.

Finally, I'd work on the bass, and try and get it heaps cleaner and with more attack. You've pushed it straight to the back, but it really should be one of the dominant elements since its one of the most important in this genre.

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Originally posted by kitphillips You don't need to double it or stuff around with that. I don't know why it is that every time someone mentions guitar (in any forum) everyone just goes "oh double track it" straight away without even considering if its appropriate.

Probably because the phrase 'album sound' was mentioned.

I'm far from a rock guru but double (or quadruple tracking in my case) made a huge difference to the impact of some admittedly shocking playing on my part.

Plus that was something I could do here and now, wheras good technique was (and still is) far from immediate.

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why would you ever gate a guitar that is playing that fast? then again, why would you gate a guitar to begin with?

tips: better mic/better pre. you can clean up that guitar pretty easily with EQ/comp, just take account where the rest of your sonic field is

I am a guitar player, and I'd have to say that you need to mute more with your palm instead of strumming away. You don't want the tail of the notes to sustain more than it needs to. Muting adds rhythm and groove to your guitar playing. Try to incorporate some slap muting as well and vary your playing more.



Or you could just make your guitar analog and it will sound good for sure just like tiesto beatz. Make sure you listen to them in beatz by dre.

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Originally posted by tehlord Probably because the phrase 'album sound' was mentioned. I'm far from a rock guru but double (or quadruple tracking in my case) made a huge difference to the impact of some admittedly shocking playing on my part. Plus that was something I could do here and now, wheras good technique was (and still is) far from immediate.

Fair enough. But I don't think double/triple tracking is appropriate in this instance. The sound he appears to be going for is a sort of fuzzy vintagey vibe ala deep purple/led zep's early stuff from what I can see, wheres double and triple tracking is usually used on modern metal albums with deeply scooped mids and a very clinical tone. His tone's already warm and fuzzy like a session with your hippie shrink, so I'm thinking it really doesn't need any more "fatness" added by doubling.

Also, double tracking requires that you can replicate a part quite closely in order to sound good (as opposed to like a dogs breakfast) so its really a matter of having close to perfect technique in every respect. Because of that, its probably a harder technique to achieve (well) right away for a beginner than is good palm muting, which would only take a couple of hours practise to master perfectly IME and would have added to that old school vibe while simultaneously cleaning up the rhythm and tone.

I've been playing guitar quite seriously for 8 years btw, so out of all the shite I post on here I might actually know what I'm talking about (for once) on this particular topic. That said, he really didn't post a sample of the sort of vibe he was going for, so buggered if I know what he wants

Jupiterone: Fast guitars are the ideal candidates to be gated, ever listened to metal?

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