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Microlab
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Delay compensation

I was actually thinking which forum to choose for posting this and left with tranceaddict one since noone and nothing can beat the production sharks which inhabit here
So I have been practising parallel compression techniques recently and in every tutorial it is recommended to set the delay compensation settings properly to avoid phasing issues. What advice can you give me as an FL user? How and where can I fix these settings correctly?
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it would be better if you could describe exactly what you are doing i.e. routings etc


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it would be better if you could describe exactly what you are doing i.e. routings etc


Let's say I have a kick. The kick is applied to mixer channel and is routed to two separate mixer channels - one is a dry signal and the other is with heavy compressor settings. I then blend these two channels for the best sounding result. And in every tutorials they say "Have the delay or latency compensation turned on" to ensure zero phasing issues.

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Let's say I have a kick. The kick is applied to mixer channel and is routed to two separate mixer channels - one is a dry signal and the other is with heavy compressor settings. I then blend these two channels for the best sounding result. And in every tutorials they say "Have the delay or latency compensation turned on" to ensure zero phasing issues.


i think in practically all DAWs that latency compensation is on by default.

If you ran 2 identical kicks together then you well get phasing for sure, 1 will add to the other as their phase is identical

But your kicks wont be identical as you will be effecting one of them - you may however experience some slight phasing but thats part and parcel of what you are trying to do


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i think in practically all DAWs that latency compensation is on by default.

If you ran 2 identical kicks together then you well get phasing for sure, 1 will add to the other as their phase is identical

But your kicks wont be identical as you will be effecting one of them - you may however experience some slight phasing but thats part and parcel of what you are trying to do


So the verdict is to keep on going parallel and don't give a sh!t on phasing?

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If they're talking about delay compensation and phasing, they're probably talking about running something to an external hardware compressor.


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In general do you guys use parallel compression in your tracks? Does this really help add punch and loudness to your mixes?

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In general do you guys use parallel compression in your tracks? Does this really help add punch and loudness to your mixes?


Nope i dont anyway but you can experiment and see for yourself. Some compressors have a dry/wet knob so that eliminates all that additional routing

I use UAD 4K compressor on the mix sometimes to help the kick punch through a little more, thats it


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Delay compensation can also be plug in compensation, i.e. the time it takes for the VST or AU yto di it's thing.

Because parallel compression is summing two copied of the same signal, you can get phasing but as already mentioned, it's nearly always on as default. there's really not much point having it switched off unless you're getting weird conflict or using external kit where you're manually setting the delay and then the other plugins sound out/get phasing becuase they no longer syncopate with the OTB signals.

Check your audio prefs (usually under general in most daws) to see if it's on, otherwise don't worry about it.

As for using it, yes; it gives you way more control as you can affect the wet dry balance however you want. Yes, a few daws/plugins made the bus method somewhat obsolete (like logic's built in compressor) but still it's good practice and only takes a second to setup.

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