i've been using fl studio for a long time now and i was thinking about broadening sounds with some vsti's but i wanna know if like vanguard and v-station are easy to use... any opinions?

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those are probably one of the easiest

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Yeah everyone can learn those, will cost you maybe half an hour to use such a vst to its fullest... Maybe read some documentation as well etc..

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yes.

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it doesnt take half an hour to learn vanguard to its fullest! it takes MUCH longer!

if you havent used subtractive synths outside of fruity azndragon then loading up vanguard for the first time can be a bit daunting but as subtractive synths go its one of the easiest to program for the following reasons

1) the layout is clean and everything is given a little rotary so that you can modify any setting on the control surface and see what effect it has on the sound you are producing without you having to flick through sub menus, parameters and extra windows.

2) modulation options are pretty low. the LFOs are hardwired to the oscillators so that LFO 1 is hardwired to osc 1, LFO 2 hardwired to OSC 2, LFO 3 hardwired to osc 3. keeps things simple and logical. whereas it doesnt offer the mod options of say zeta or a virus, it makes sense and doesnt overwhelm as these 2 synths are prone to do from time to time.

3) arp isnt programmable. the effects are stripped down to a bare minimum. this has drawbacks but it keeps things simple and easy to use. the glide (portmento) function is easy to use, logical and it works better than fruity's glide function.

4) vanguard is a good starter because it eases you into subtractive synthesis. at the same time its also very suited to trance type music but is very versatile for other types of music too. it sounds fab. whilst i cant seem to make the sound evolve and morph like i can on my virus b (owing to the more extensive modulation options), the sheer amount of modulatable parts on the virus makes my head spin. vanguard is the type of synth where you can dive in and not have to think so much about what you are doing and keep track of the parameters you are changing. virus is the type of synth where you have to consciously keep track of what is affecting what. i.e. on the virus the 1st filter cutoff determines the effect of the second filter cutoff which is modulatable via the filter envelope and 1 or both filters can be routed to the 2nd LFO. if you twiddle 1 without thinking about it you can turn alot of patches into bassy sludge. vanguard is more forgiving in this respect. just try out the demo - you have absolutely nothing to lose. check it out on www.kvr-vst.com and run a search for refx vanguard.

vanguard is sissy synapse hydra is the way to go

yeah hydra is underrated, i like it too

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the threadstarter didnt ask what synths are underrated and which ones are 'sissy.' he asked if they were easy to use. vanguard is one of the easier ones. simple.

i appreciate the in depth analysis for me derivative.

my question is if i can use vanguard or v-station in fruity? like as a vsti plugin or something.

other than that, from what you say it seems like any typical soft synth to me. fl studio comes with wasp whcih is an emulated analogue synth or something.

about hte arp, doesn't fruity have that menu with the choice of arp and all those variations? that could probably program the arp.

last question...what exactly is substractor synthesis

how's v station?

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It definately will take more then a half an hour to learn a VST to it's fullest, maybe 3xOSC will take about a half hour, I still haven't learned all of Vanguard and I had it for about a month and a half. Pro-53 is pretty decent to learn, and the power of that softsynth is awesome, I would go with that, I made some pretty awesome sounds with V-Station also.

One VSTi that is a bitch and a half to learn though is Z3ta, I see that and I feel like a computer programmer, Z3ta takes some time to learn.

And yes you can use vanguard or any VST in fruity, install it on your computer, right click in Fruity where the Sequencer would be, click on insert channel, then click more, there should be a box that says refresh. Click fast scan and then when you go back the vstI should be there, click the box next to it and then go to Insert Channel again and select the VST.

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Originally posted by Dj Pyster It definately will take more then a half an hour to learn a VST to it's fullest, maybe 3xOSC will take about a half hour, I still haven't learned all of Vanguard and I had it for about a month and a half.

Dude.... It's even easier to use than Reason's subtractor And that took me 2 days to learn... and it was the first time I had ever seen a synth

learning 3x osc works something like this: "hmmm, how does this work...............(3 secs later).. Oh, that's simple"

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Originally posted by Derivative the threadstarter didnt ask what synths are underrated and which ones are 'sissy.' he asked if they were easy to use. vanguard is one of the easier ones. simple.

well, the one he was asking about is of poor quality. i felt obliged to give my opinion.

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