I used to have those problems.......I never use the patches anymore and after a lot of A B ing i realized it was my speakers.so now i use krk moniters.that helped alot. but i read the entire m class section of the pdf to learn anything i maybe didnt kow already. its really trial and error like everything else. then after exporting it didnt sound great. now instead of 44 i export ay 96. that helped. now after all that i run it through wavelab to raise the overall level amongst other things if it needs it. but keep tryin the track on every system u can find and go back and make the adjustments. i know my moniters pretty well so i know what the end result will be.....hope suggestions help a little.

Dont bother!

Delete your compressors and get a good mix using just the Eqs and Mixer.

Then mixdown.

Youll be surprised how much shite you have in your reason rack.

the mastering suite is shit to be honest...i use it as a rough guide while im making the track, then i bypass the mastering suite and export it totally raw.
Import it into cubase and use izotope ozone with it.
you don't necessarily have to use those 2 programs, but there are much better software/vsts that will give your mix the sound ur look'n for.
It always sounds a little raw using reason.
help that helps

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Agreed. I would never use the MClass for final mastering. The compressor and eq are handy as instrument fx (and maybe the maximiser as a hard limiter from time to time), but generally they won't get a decent result compared to dedicated mastering plugins such as Waves.
Export your track and master it in your favourite sound editor instead.

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Not only is it hard to master in Reason, the mixing part is impossible. Since you don't have a real spectrum analyzer (no vocoder gimmics), you pretty much have to rely on the accuracy of your monitors and your ears. So when I compose in Reason, I always rewire into cubase for mixing with 3rd party plugins (Sonalksis and PSP), and master in Wavelab with Waves bundle.

Agreed. I did those same mistakes few years ago. You cannot master a final product in Reason. I now export to ableton, and use Waves plug-ins. Actually, its been awhile too since I used Reason period. Still has pretty cool looping tools though, love that recycle/drrex thing they got going over there.

I send my tracks to a friend who does mastering. He does it in Pro tools. but really,

mastering is intended for professionals, in a brilliantly desinged room with top of the line equipment.

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Originally posted by Alex Petelin So when I compose in Reason, I always rewire into cubase for mixing with 3rd party plugins (Sonalksis and PSP), and master in Wavelab with Waves bundle.

Yeah, looks liek the least expensive way to get your things done.

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Whatever the hell that meant... I use reason for its extensive sample library (think you can recreate a rhodes in z3ta?)

i create my pieces entirely in reason to date guys.. its possible. listen to my latest track Meta-Amphetamine.. its err prettymuch final edit so youll definitely here some of the mastering going on.. heres a the deal though - wireless is completely right, ultimately for mastering, some professional will do that.. if you get picked up by a label, most labels will slap an L3 on it and fatten it up bigtime.. but its the producers job to take it to a legit pre-master level.

but anyone who sits there and claims that reason 3.0 is a noob system without the tools for professional mastering is a noob himself and shoudlnt be talking on this forum. The tools are within the program - you just dont have the patience or time to sit there and figure it out.. heres a tip: create a multiband mastering suite seperating <500hz and >500hz with a stack containing multiple stereo images, compressors, and an EQ featuring simple HI-FI values.. compressors should have the values:
(Left to Right) 2.6dB input, -7.7dB(softknee yes), 2.23:1, 35attack, 235release, 2.3dB output youll need that hooked in below 500hz and above 500hz and then again merged all together into one signal at the top
with another compressor

thats what i use but ultimately, youll never get better if you dont trial and error everything until you figure out what works

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Originally posted by Alex Petelin Whatever the hell that meant... I use reason for its extensive sample library (think you can recreate a rhodes in z3ta?)

why the hell would u use z3ta to make a rhodes sound?!!!!!!!
like using a guitar for making sax..
theres the lounge lizard vst and another one from NI.. they are both very good for rhodes (complete with leslie fx) and many other electric pianos... i dont like using sample libraries or players. I like making my own sounds. Use Wavelab and VST like Waves bundle or psp vintage warmer (rocks!!) or even izotope ozone, do it and see for yourself the (huge) difference!

mastering is indeed to be made by professional engineers, but if u happen to play ur tracks in party , u have to do some processing or it will sound like shit compared to a mastered cd!!


my home mastering chain suggestion (for wavelab or cubase) is:

waves Req
waves C4
waves Req
waves L2

try out the presets and be very careful with the eq, make subtle changes
, and im sure ull get good results, trust me..