I not long downloaded the demo version of fl studio (ver 8), and am having a bit of fun with it at the moment, but I cant seem to get my head around something.

All I want to do as an experiment, is take a cymbal crash, duplicate it, reverse it and put it before the normal cymbal crash - easy stuff I would of thought.

So I start by dragging a crash from my samples into the audio window, I then shift+click the crash, then drag over to my right to make a copy, then I think click on the 1st crash, and "Make Unique" so that it will make a physical duplicate of it, so I can do what editing I like to it (in the case just reversing it) without it affecting any other instances of the sample. However, when I click on "Make Unique" it just makes the clip 1 pixel wide, and if I stetch it then it's just empty.

Whats really annoying is that I was struggling to get it working and then all of a sudden it did work, it asked me for a location to save the sample - it worked fine, but as far as I know I didnt do anything different, and also I cant get it to do it again.

Also just as a side note, does anyone know if you can play an audio clip in the playlist just by clicking on it, or shift+click or something, rather than having to click on the down arrown and select "preview" ?

Thanks for any help.

wtf mate?

drag cymbal into pattern editor, go into channel (sampler) settings, set to reverse, put note where you want

drag another cymbal into pattern editor, creating a new channel, put note where you want

put patterns in playlist as needed

lol, maybe im making things more complicated than they need to be, and what you say does work.

But, say for example you drag the cymal into the audio clips part, so you actualy see the waveform of the cymbal, I just wondered if there was a way you can easily take a copy of that clip, and reverse it (leaving the other one intact) ?, I thought thats what "make unique" may do, but I just cant get it to work.

So, maybe to put it another way, could you explain to me how the "make unique" function works ?

I found that you can do what I want to do by putting a cymbal onto the audio clips section, then edit it in edison, reverse it then selecting "send to playlist as audio clip", that does what I want.

Thanks for any help.

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Originally posted by Jimb0b lol, maybe im making things more complicated than they need to be, and what you say does work. But, say for example you drag the cymal into the audio clips part, so you actualy see the waveform of the cymbal, I just wondered if there was a way you can easily take a copy of that clip, and reverse it (leaving the other one intact) ?, I thought thats what "make unique" may do, but I just cant get it to work. So, maybe to put it another way, could you explain to me how the "make unique" function works ? I found that you can do what I want to do by putting a cymbal onto the audio clips section, then edit it in edison, reverse it then selecting "send to playlist as audio clip", that does what I want. Thanks for any help.

All the make unique function does is CLONE whatever you choose to make unique so you can work with 2 unique versions.

If you clone a sample, it will clone in a new sampler so you can make changes to the new sample, if you make an automation unique, it seperates one automation into 2, so you can edit one sliced automation w/out affecting the other.
It basically just clones shit.

Well what your saying makes perfect sense, but I just expected the cloned copy to have a copy of the original sample.

Ive uploaded a vid, this is the only way I can see of doing it with "Make Unique", am I doing this right / wrong ?, I basically wouldnt of expected to have to go back to the sampler and select the sample - I thought this would of been automatic.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=mNJIn8iVH74

in my experience, the 'make unique' function works much better when used with evelopes. using it with samples often leads to weird little problems like that. the only time i use it on samples is when working with a long audio clip (ie vocals) and want to apply a different set of effects to a small section of the clip than what is applied to the full clip.

for what you're trying to do, its easier to just select the sample from the channel list and hit 'clone selected' and reverse one of them.

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Originally posted by Jimb0b Well what your saying makes perfect sense, but I just expected the cloned copy to have a copy of the original sample. Ive uploaded a vid, this is the only way I can see of doing it with "Make Unique", am I doing this right / wrong ?, I basically wouldnt of expected to have to go back to the sampler and select the sample - I thought this would of been automatic. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=mNJIn8iVH74

Dude that video as simple as it should look is confusing the shit out of me, and I know a lot about FL lol.

I DID NOT even see you hit the "make unique" selection. There was no drop down, a menu should drop down for it and its not on the vid.

Also, you are shift + dragging the sample before you make it unique. Thats just a waste of a step. Make it unique when you have one sample in the playlist. This will clone that exact sample in the pattern blocks.
Then reverse the second sample and drag that one out.

Theres still something weird about the vid. When the text comes up "selecting make unique" I don't see you do it. It looks like you delete the sample from the play list. If you're making it unique its not going to dissappear like that. Are you using some kind of keyboard shortcut?
It may be the wrong shortcut.

edit: And YES, I agree I WOULD NOT EVER do it this way for what you're doing. Even doing it the correct "make unique" way, its still more steps then simply cloning the sampler, reversing, then dragging.

Your dragging it out into the playlist, than cloning it form the playlist, then reversing, than dragging. Its just added useless steps.

lol, havent fully read the replies yet, but the problem with the menus is something to do with FL itself, if you see other videos of FL studio they too dont display the menus, I dont know why ?

Anyway, I do select "Make Unqiue", but you just dont see the menu, hence why I put the text "Selecting make unique" so that you would have an idea of what im talking about.

Now I just gotta find this "Clone Selected" option.

Thanks for all of your help, as you can tell and I say, ive just started to use FL so appreciate all the help.

edit: Thats kind of the point im trying to make about this "Make Unique", whenever I select it, it just appears to empty the sample and leave me with nothing there, hence why in the video I go to the sample list and select the new sample, then select a soundfile from the drop-down list and then press the reverse option.

I would of thought, I would just put one cymbal in, press the "Make Unique" option, which would give me another audio clip which I can then go and select the reverse option, hence should then have a reversed cymbal and a normal cymbal to put together.

This is more complicated than I was expecting!!! lmao

Last edited by Jimb0b on Jan-05-2009 at 01:34

To make it a little easier, would anyone be able to give me a step-by-step guide or a video ? it would be really appreciated!

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Originally posted by Jimb0b lol, havent fully read the replies yet, but the problem with the menus is something to do with FL itself, if you see other videos of FL studio they too dont display the menus, I dont know why ? Anyway, I do select "Make Unqiue", but you just dont see the menu, hence why I put the text "Selecting make unique" so that you would have an idea of what im talking about. Now I just gotta find this "Clone Selected" option. Thanks for all of your help, as you can tell and I say, ive just started to use FL so appreciate all the help. edit: Thats kind of the point im trying to make about this "Make Unique", whenever I select it, it just appears to empty the sample and leave me with nothing there, hence why in the video I go to the sample list and select the new sample, then select a soundfile from the drop-down list and then press the reverse option. I would of thought, I would just put one cymbal in, press the "Make Unique" option, which would give me another audio clip which I can then go and select the reverse option, hence should then have a reversed cymbal and a normal cymbal to put together. This is more complicated than I was expecting!!! lmao

Ok just to elaborate then, if its not displaying a menu, what the HELL are you picking that option from?
If you cant see it lol, how are you picking it?

And yeh I get what you're saying. What I DO use the make unique function for is automations (when its extremely useful).
If you have 20 automations drawn out in the playlist, and you need to put 4 bars of empty space somewhere in the middle, you can slice all 20, make them all unique, and edit the halves seperately without the edits running into their original counterparts.

It prob sounds confusing but when you start doing lots of automating, and revising tracks you'll see where they have their use. But def for what you're doing I'd just clone, which you can do simply by right clicking on w/e pattern block you have and selecting to clone it. If its a synth it will clone the synth, sampler > sampler, etc. But it only clones the synth and parameter settings, not any notes. Notes need to be copied and pasted.

Hi m8,

Thanks again for the reply. I think you are misunderstanding me a little with the menus. What I mean is, I can see them, but for whatever reason the screen capture software (what I used to record the video) doesnt capture the menus - ive seen it on may FL videos on youtube.

I am starting to feel really quite dumb here, and I suppose im trying to a) learn a new program but b) adapt to a different workflow (coming from reason) and I think im just being a little stupid about it.

Im trying to understand exactly what you mean, and appreciate the help.

Are you saying that I shouldnt be putting the samples into the "Audio Clips" playlist? and instead say drag the cymbal into "Pattern 1" and then again into "Pattern 2" then I have two cymbals in my "Channel" window, select one, reverse it. Have pattern 1 trigger reverse cymbal, have pattern 2 trigger normal cymbal, then play pattern 1 followed by patter 2 ?

This works but im still a bit confused! lol, if I say drag my crash onto "pattern 1" I then get the cymbal in my "Channel Window", but you say about cloning. If I put my cymbal into pattern 1, then select "clone" I get another pattern say named "cymbal #2", but... I still only have one sample in my "channel" window, so have no way of choosing a sample to reverse.

Last edited by Jimb0b on Jan-05-2009 at 04:42

Dude why are you tyring to complicate things? Easiest thing to do would be to, go into your sequencer, new pattern drag in your cymbal to the sequencer, then select on which note you want to have the crash. Then right click your cymbal and select clone. From the cloned cymbal click into it and click reverse. Then put the reverse note wherever you want. It may work best putting this into a new pattern.

Hope this helps.