I'm talking about something simple and basic, say for instance I have a drum loop that most likely contains a mix of different pitches. Is there any simple fx that will tell me what the dominant key of the loop is or what key its close to and allow me to quickly pitch shift it to the correct key?
I'm not talking autotune type stuff (I don't have autotune nor want to get it), I'm stalking smaller, simple, something that works fairly well.

I'm also considering it for invidividual samples. Say I have a mid hat dominate on G and a closed hat dominant on E, and want them both on E, whats the quickest cleanest way of going about this?

Right now I'm playing around with direct waves define pitch root, but it doesn't work right. I need something I can put directly in my mixer that tells me what key a sound is in. Then an additional feature to quickly shift the sample on key. Would appreciate any recommendations you guys can give. And again I realize something like a hat changes pitch, I'm talking about something that can pick up the dominant or average pitch, and work like that. Thanks!

Edit: I should add if there are better ways of doing it please let me know I am open to what ever sounds the best, thanks.

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Last edited by DJ Robby Rox on Apr-25-2010 at 08:16

You're using FL Studio, so I suggest you use Edison to detect varying pitch.

Percs like hihats don't have a pitch.

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Originally posted by Beatflux Percs like hihats don't have a pitch.

some do, the 909 ride does.

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox I'm talking about something simple and basic, say for instance I have a drum loop that most likely contains a mix of different pitches. Is there any simple fx that will tell me what the dominant key of the loop is or what key its close to and allow me to quickly pitch shift it to the correct key? I'm not talking autotune type stuff (I don't have autotune nor want to get it), I'm stalking smaller, simple, something that works fairly well.

Forget it, not gonna happen. No plugin is gonna be able to do that.

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Originally posted by mize melodyn can do it!

On clean isolated synths and vocals it works, on a good day. Drum loops and such not a chance.

But yeah Melodyne is the best program for these things.

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Perc loops are going to be monophonic, so in that case you can use melodyne, autotune, or mixed in key. I'd use mixed in key.

Even better, if your just looking to pitch perc samples right, I'd use my ear because the programs will get it wrong.

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Originally posted by kitphillips Perc loops are going to be monophonic, so in that case you can use melodyne, autotune, or mixed in key. I'd use mixed in key. Even better, if your just looking to pitch perc samples right, I'd use my ear because the programs will get it wrong.

Yeh thats why I need a program because even though I can tell when something is off pitch, for some reason I'll adjust the knob and think "that sounds closer to the key" but then I'll adjust it further and think "well that sounds closer to key too". And even though it always sounds better, I'm never confident enough to realize when its right, or IF its right. I can't assume just because it sounds better that I'm even close to the right key, I just don't trust ears like that. For some reason my hats always sound off the pitch of my basslines, like they don't belong. The most I've been able to do is manually adjust so it sounds better, but I want some way of verifying how off I am.

And who said hihats don't have pitch? Thats complete bs if you move the pitch knob listen to the pitch of the hats change. It might not have a constant pitch but it def has a dominant, initial, or avg pitch.

If a hat is hitting on c and ending on a lower note and my bass line is on f, I think moving the hat so it at least INITIALLY hits on the same key of the bass would make sense. I need to learn how to do this so I'll try edison first then see how it sounds and if it doesn't sound like its working I'll try mixed in key.

And subtle: I know for a fact there is already an fx plugin that will instantly tell you what key whatever sound going through the channel is in, it just doesn't allow you to change the pitch to key. I remember using it years ago it was a free plugin (I think) and it worked fine for finding pitch, but I don't remember what it was called, and it doesn't do what I really need is pitch the sound perfectly on key. If we already have an fx plugin that can detect pitch why can't we have one that tells you when you've adjusted the sound to key?

Doesn't make sense. I'll play around with edison and see if I can get it done there, thanks.

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instead of typing this really long posts you should really just learn to trust your ears, rest comes with experience.

By making this perfectly tuned drums you really de-humanize your music. there is absolutely no need to sterilize music to a point where its so transparent and so perfect that it actually becomes boring and fatiguing to ears.

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Originally posted by rulzz instead of typing this really long posts you should really just learn to trust your ears, rest comes with experience. By making this perfectly tuned drums you really de-humanize your music. there is absolutely no need to sterilize music to a point where its so transparent and so perfect that it actually becomes boring and fatiguing to ears.

You're speaking in the context of a professional which I am not.

I'm not looking to have every single sound in my mix on the same exact key perfectly, but a lot of times when I throw my drum loop over my bass line the entire track falls apart because now it sounds like the key from the bass is playing, and a mix of keys from the drum loop is playing which sounds like shit. I need to at least get PART of my drum loops sounding closer to key I realize they don't need to be perfect. But for sounds like toms, and other percussion, they have very OBVIOUS pitches that NEED to be delt with.

What am I gonna do just mix an F bassline with a g sharp tom and call it quits? Thats gonna sound like shit. I don't need to know everything, but I don't even know how to properly pitch a tom or a donk and other percussion like rim shots and snares. These drums imo SHOULD not be off key. How awful would a snare rolling in the A key sound when your bass is in C, your leads are C dominant, and your pads are C dominant. That snare line is going to stick out like a sore thumb. And theres too many ways to help a track not sound sterile besides pitch, like groove for one. I've never learned this skill and I need to learn it and the last thing I need to hear is that I don't need to learn it.

Some sounds I would LOVE to add to a mix but I can't because the key is off and I have no idea how to fix it. I need more dependable ways of resolving this issue then "just using my ears". I'd love to see one person in here listen to a tom sample and tell me what pitch its in, its impossible. But software can obviously do it, I was just curious what different methods people were using to absolve this and what methods sounded least synthetic or artificial. But I guess that depends on how close to key the sample already is.
Whatever the case I'm sure I'll figure it out on my own, like I always do.
Thanks though to those who tried.

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why do you use drum loops to begin with ? pitch shifting loops will distort and will reduce quality so in race for keying in your sounds you get source sound degradation.. (unless of course it is your intention)

drum programming is a skill every producer should have IMO, using drum loops to build tracks is like using lego bricks to paint a portrait. I'm not saying that occasional filtered/modified loop is wrong but trying to key-in drum loops or better yet individual hits of a loop is well ummmmm retarded.

i would strongly advise you to practice just creating drum loops for a few weeks/months until you start to make some that you really really like

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